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Diana & Martin Bashir

Jambalaya

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I read a whole bunch about this last night because I wanted to understand what happened. The Panorama interview is so famous. My interest was piqued when William made a statement. Until then, it seemed like background noise, but William speaking out made me realize that this is a serious scandal.

I was horrified by what I read. It's complicated, but here's an attempted short version. Took me ages to piece all this together:

  • Bashir got access to Diana via her brother, Earl Spencer.
  • He started the process by calling Spencer twice and asking for a chat. He intimated that he had knowledge of people spying on him/Diana that Spencer should know. Bashir appeared respectable, being from the flagship BBC show, Panorama. Spencer agreed to a quick drink.
  • Bashir asked a BBC graphics artist to mock up some bank statements. The artist thought they were props for a show, like he made all the time.
  • Bashir showed the statements to Spencer. They purported to show payments to royal staff from some kind of spy agency.
  • Spencer called the head of the BBC and asked if Bashir was on the level. They said that Bashir was one of their best. (Very reassuring, you'd think.)
  • Those statements and the BBC's endorsement of Bashir prompted Spencer to introduce him to Diana, so that Bashir could share his "concerns" with her directly.
  • The introductory meeting took place in September 1995. Bashir, Diana, and Spencer were present.
  • Spencer took notes. In the meeting, Bashir told 32 lies, filling Diana's head with stories about her car and apt. being bugged, about many people in her employ being paid to feed information about her to spies and to her husband's camp, that her security was spying on her, as were some of her friends and her closest staff.
  • Subsequently, Bashir went so far as to have her apt swept for bugs and to produce a fake bug.
  • After that initial meeting (Sep. '95), Spencer realized something was up, thought Bashir sounded crazy, and apologized to his sister. She said words to the effect of, "Oh, don't worry! It was lovely to see you!" Spencer assumed that that was the end of the Bashir episode.
  • Two months later, in Nov 1995, the interview was broadcast.


By the time Bashir interviewed Diana, she was in a state of fear and paranoia, brought on by him and the fake "evidence" he produced that there was all this spying and plotting against her from her security, her closest friends, close employees, and that Charles's camp was behind much of it. That's why she said such devastating things.

Not only did Bashir's deceit cost her her peace of mind, it hastened the end of her marriage and worsened relations between her and Charles (according to William), cost her two close female friends, and it was ultimately responsible for her dismissing her police protection. Had it not been for that, her own security would have been driving her that night in Paris, and they would have advised it safer to stay in the Ritz that night, anyway. She would never have been in the hands of sub-standard security and a man who turned up to drive while knowing he had been drinking, and who then engaged in a macho car chase.

As William said in his statement, it's extremely sad that Diana never knew that she was deceived, and that his last two years with her were marred by her fear, paranoia, and isolation that took hold after Bashir dripped all his poison into her ear, with his impeccable BBC credentials and fake evidence.

William also thinks that there's much more to the story. What happened between that introductory meeting between Spencer, Bashir, and Diana, and the interview, a period of two months? Spencer suspects that Diana may even have been blackmailed.

The graphics artist raised the alarm back at the BBC after the interview was broadcast in late 1995. There was a desultory enquiry that ignored all the facts and made him the fall guy. His career was ruined.

The whole story has now come out because of an independent enquiry, the Dyson report, due to fresh questions about the interview stirred up by its 25th anniversary.

So many people hurt by this rogue journalist. What a story. It's very likely that without all Bashir's deceit, Diana would be alive today, because he made her mistrust all her experienced top-level UK security, and she therefore dismissed them. It really made me see how people in her position are a magnet for all kinds of malevolent people like Bashir. For all royalty's glorious lifestyle, it makes me glad to be ordinary. William and Harry have suffered so much due to their mother's tragic life, and still fresh suffering comes.

I feel that now we have the whole story of her death, starting in September 1995: how Bashir gained her trust, convinced her that her security were spying on her, she dismissed them, and the worst happened.

It's just really, really sad.
 
Thank you for thus concise write up, jambalaya!
So disheartening. What a horrible way to drive someone (anyone, regardless if their position), into isolation and despair. Despicable
 
So completely despicable, I agree. Bashir effectively destroyed Diana just to get the scoop of the decade. Sickeningly, his "prize" of the interview paid dividends for a very long time. Bashir received many accolades and a lot of work after that, for years. I suspect it made him quite a rich man. Everyone thought he had gotten the interview by above-board means, and that he must be a fantastic reporter.

For William and Harry, the pain of their mother's life just seems to go on and on.
 
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Quote from William's statement:

"It brings indescribable sadness to know that the BBC’s failures contributed significantly to her fear, paranoia and isolation that I remember from those final years with her.

But what saddens me most, is that if the BBC had properly investigated the complaints and concerns first raised in 1995, my mother would have known that she had been deceived."



So very sad.

It seems almost unbelievable that we are finding out new and stunning information about Diana years after her death, when it seemed that she had been written about so much that there was nothing new to her story. And now this.
 
While I condemn the abysmal ethics used to secure the interview, let's keep in mind it does not alter the interview's contents, or the dark side of royalty.
 
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It does alter the interview's content, Kenny, because the content was influenced by the many lies that Bashir told. He had whipped Diana into a frenzy of rage and insecurity which informed her thoughts and attitude in the interview. And she wasn't planning an interview at all until Bashir got to her. Diana's close friend Rosa Monckton said the interview was Diana at her absolute worst. That "worst" was brought about by the master deception that he visited upon her. So I do not believe that Bashir's methods of obtaining the interview can be divorced from its contents. Those methods deeply influenced the interviewee and her frame of mind. Her "fear, paranoia, and isolation" at that time is referenced by Prince William in his statement, and by Diana's friends. "We all knew something was wrong, but we didn't know what."

As for the dark side of royalty, see the Trump years for the dark side of republics. No system is perfect.
 
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It does alter the interview's content, Kenny, because the content was influenced by the many lies that Bashir told. He had whipped Diana into a frenzy of rage and insecurity which informed her thoughts and attitude in the interview. And she wasn't planning an interview at all until Bashir got to her. Diana's close friend Rosa Monckton said the interview was Diana at her absolute worst. That "worst" was brought about by the master deception that he visited upon her. So I do not believe that Bashir's methods of obtaining the interview can be divorced from its contents. Those methods deeply influenced the interviewee and her frame of mind. Her "fear, paranoia, and isolation" at that time is referenced by Prince William in his statement, and by Diana's friends. "We all knew something was wrong, but we didn't know what."

As for the dark side of royalty, see the Trump years for the dark side of republics. No system is perfect.
Thank you, Jambalaya.
Good points!
 
Canuk Gal - yes.

After Bashir convinced Diana that her security was spying on her and reporting her movements to her estranged husband, and god knows who else, she let her security go. She later refused the option of permanently reinstating it when negotiating her divorce settlement. It's amazing to reflect just how vulnerable this left her. She could have been kidnapped and held for ransom, murdered, or worse. It happened that danger presented itself in the form of a drunk driver, but the truth is that she was really exposed in all manner of ways after Bashir persuaded her that her government-provided security was untrustworthy.

ETA: I can't imagine how confused and paranoid and isolated she must have felt in those times, having been persuaded that people among her friends, her employees, her husband's camp and her government security were deceiving her. Because if you can't trust the government....And who wouldn't believe a reporter from probably the world's most respected broadcaster, from its flagship current affairs show? It's not like he was a tabloid journalist.
 
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William made a heartbreaking point: that if the BBC had properly investigated when the alarm was first raised in late 1995, by the graphics artist who put two-and-two together when he saw the interview, Diana would have known that she'd been deceived. Things would have been very different. Much hurt would have been resolved between her and all the people she'd been made to mistrust, including her husband and his camp, and she might have accepted her security back. (I say "might" because I'm not sure if Bashir's influence was so great that she might still have decided against it. Who knows?)

The opportunity to unravel Bashir was right there under the BBC's nose shortly after the interview, and they quashed it.
 
Many questions remain. The graphic artist - Matt Wiessler - had his home broken into in December 1995, and the only things stolen were the three computer disks containing the bank statement graphics. Wiessler said that the burglar had used the bathroom but hadn't flushed, as if they were trying to intimidate him.

And....the burglary took place on the night of the Panorama staff Christmas party. Whoever organized that burglary knew that he wouldn't be home that night.
 
Nasty, nasty, nasty man.
Dianne was fragile, she was dealing with mental health issues and she knew, so painfully, of her husbands infidelity and that piece of #### cruelly and callously manipulated, deceived and used her.
He made her life more miserable, he increased her insecurities and paranoia and that lead to issues and events that resulted in her death.
it should be a crime and he should be in jail for it!
 
Probably will never know the absolute truth and I doubt only one “group” was in charge of the coverup.

wasnt the firm accused of not doing enough to backup/support/protect Diana?
(Aside from her dismissing security, of course)

maybe i am seeing this incorrectly, but
with the recent outing of old school royals not supporting/protecting Meghan,
isn’t it curious that right now at this time period it’s coming out that the BBC was the greater evil in Diana’s story?

whatever the answers
the whole story is sad.
 
^^It's coming out now because Earl Spencer started raising fresh concerns about it last year, when there was publicity around the interview's 25th anniversary, and in November 2020, an independent inquiry was commissioned. The results of that inquiry, the Dyson report, have just been published.
 
It is so sad.
I used to appreciate the Monarchy because I am into historic preservation, and the groups Historic Royal Palaces and English Heritage operate tourism destinations in the UK; buildings owned by the Crown and open to the public. I even had a membership for a while.

But casting the cold eye of logic and reasoning upon the system has changed my view. I still love the palaces but learning a little information on the backstory of the BBC's treatment of Diana is heartbreaking. The Monarch has the power to change things. I wonder if anything will come of this.
 
^^I thought the Monarch had very little or no constitutional power?
 
^^I thought the Monarch had very little or no constitutional power?

It's not about power in the traditional sense - but if the Monarch wanted changes to their own system, it would be done.
 
Hi,

I remember that interview. My heart broke for that girl. I believed what she told us. However the story is that Royals are like most of us, with all the emotions and conflicts that go along with being human. We shouldn't be surprised at lies, coverups and bad behavior.

Dear Diana did not deserve the treatment she received from the Royals. I too, wonder about Harry and Megans revelations. I feel that Harry did not have to go public with his story. I used to like Harry, but now less so. To me, his story is nothing like his mothers. She was so young and her happiness was taken from her. I liked her a lot.

Annette
 
It’s completely disgraceful and we are forced to pay for a TV licence which funds this kind of ‘reporting’. We recently changed our direct debit from annual to monthly as we expect to be moving this year, and were consequently hounded with threats of prison and fines.

The BBC is so completely biased that it’s beyond a joke. What’s happened to them when they were once revered as being a reliable source of news?

This isn’t the first (or likely the last) incident, they recently ran an article about James Dyson (the inventor) and his supposed affiliation with the Government, which also turned out to be wholly inaccurate.

They used Diana to get a story, knowing how unhappy and frightened she was, and I think William is absolutely correct in saying it increased her paranoia.
 
I read a whole bunch about this last night because I wanted to understand what happened. The Panorama interview is so famous. My interest was piqued when William made a statement. Until then, it seemed like background noise, but William speaking out made me realize that this is a serious scandal.

I was horrified by what I read. It's complicated, but here's an attempted short version. Took me ages to piece all this together:

  • Bashir got access to Diana via her brother, Earl Spencer.
  • He started the process by calling Spencer twice and asking for a chat. He intimated that he had knowledge of people spying on him/Diana that Spencer should know. Bashir appeared respectable, being from the flagship BBC show, Panorama. Spencer agreed to a quick drink.
  • Bashir asked a BBC graphics artist to mock up some bank statements. The artist thought they were props for a show, like he made all the time.
  • Bashir showed the statements to Spencer. They purported to show payments to royal staff from some kind of spy agency.
  • Spencer called the head of the BBC and asked if Bashir was on the level. They said that Bashir was one of their best. (Very reassuring, you'd think.)
  • Those statements and the BBC's endorsement of Bashir prompted Spencer to introduce him to Diana, so that Bashir could share his "concerns" with her directly.
  • The introductory meeting took place in September 1995. Bashir, Diana, and Spencer were present.
  • Spencer took notes. In the meeting, Bashir told 32 lies, filling Diana's head with stories about her car and apt. being bugged, about many people in her employ being paid to feed information about her to spies and to her husband's camp, that her security was spying on her, as were some of her friends and her closest staff.
  • Subsequently, Bashir went so far as to have her apt swept for bugs and to produce a fake bug.
  • After that initial meeting (Sep. '95), Spencer realized something was up, thought Bashir sounded crazy, and apologized to his sister. She said words to the effect of, "Oh, don't worry! It was lovely to see you!" Spencer assumed that that was the end of the Bashir episode.
  • Two months later, in Nov 1995, the interview was broadcast.


By the time Bashir interviewed Diana, she was in a state of fear and paranoia, brought on by him and the fake "evidence" he produced that there was all this spying and plotting against her from her security, her closest friends, close employees, and that Charles's camp was behind much of it. That's why she said such devastating things.

Not only did Bashir's deceit cost her her peace of mind, it hastened the end of her marriage and worsened relations between her and Charles (according to William), cost her two close female friends, and it was ultimately responsible for her dismissing her police protection. Had it not been for that, her own security would have been driving her that night in Paris, and they would have advised it safer to stay in the Ritz that night, anyway. She would never have been in the hands of sub-standard security and a man who turned up to drive while knowing he had been drinking, and who then engaged in a macho car chase.

As William said in his statement, it's extremely sad that Diana never knew that she was deceived, and that his last two years with her were marred by her fear, paranoia, and isolation that took hold after Bashir dripped all his poison into her ear, with his impeccable BBC credentials and fake evidence.

William also thinks that there's much more to the story. What happened between that introductory meeting between Spencer, Bashir, and Diana, and the interview, a period of two months? Spencer suspects that Diana may even have been blackmailed.

The graphics artist raised the alarm back at the BBC after the interview was broadcast in late 1995. There was a desultory enquiry that ignored all the facts and made him the fall guy. His career was ruined.

The whole story has now come out because of an independent enquiry, the Dyson report, due to fresh questions about the interview stirred up by its 25th anniversary.

So many people hurt by this rogue journalist. What a story. It's very likely that without all Bashir's deceit, Diana would be alive today, because he made her mistrust all her experienced top-level UK security, and she therefore dismissed them. It really made me see how people in her position are a magnet for all kinds of malevolent people like Bashir. For all royalty's glorious lifestyle, it makes me glad to be ordinary. William and Harry have suffered so much due to their mother's tragic life, and still fresh suffering comes.

I feel that now we have the whole story of her death, starting in September 1995: how Bashir gained her trust, convinced her that her security were spying on her, she dismissed them, and the worst happened.

It's just really, really sad.

You have summerized that very well
yes, its very distressing

Those apologies to her sons, brother and ex husband seem pretty hollow when you take into account her dismissing her offical security and then what happened latter

my mum said at the time she should keep her policemen

An apology to Prince Philip is long over due and too late now too because people brought into that hurtful crazy rumour that he, a loving grandfather and carring father in law was somehow involved in orchestrating the crash
 
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