diamond opinion

[farfrompro]

Hi, I''ve been reading posts on this site for awhile now and had a question to ask you. I recently looked at a diamond ring that (after looking at the certification and numbers) is not cut well. I dont believe that the person selling the ring is trying to "con" me because he was very forthright about the numbers etc. of the ring. I would just like to know how much "sparkle" and "fire" i am sacrificing by buying a ring that is not well cut. The center diamond is .97 round brilliant and the measurements are 5.87-5.81x4.24mm, depth is 72.7%(i know, i know), table 56%, crown 17.5%, pavilion 46.3%, girldle very thick faceted (again, i know), culet none, flourescence none, polish/symm both good, color g, clarity si2. I had the ring looked at by an appraiser who says the inclusions are very hard to even see under a microscope. A friend who works at a jewelry store looked at the cert info and said that the diamond for the price is not bad as well. It is set in a .5 tw white gold setting with stones that are also g-h and vs clarities (according to the appraiser) - total price 3,000. As i said, i know the cut is not quality...but how much will this affect the total appearance of my ring? Thanks for your thoughts!

 

[somethingshiny]

Welcome to PS!!

There is a tool called the Cut Advisor that is in a pull-down menu "tools" at the top of your screen. You can enter in your numbers for a round brilliant and better judge its performance.

This particular diamond's depth is SOO deep, the Cut Adviser can't even calculate it.

There is another tool to price diamonds of comparable cut, clarity, color, carat to see what kind of a deal you're getting.

Good luck!

eta- Cut is king. It should be as close to perfect as you can afford as it has the MOST bearing on the performance of the stone.

 

[stone-cold11]

A well cut 0.97c stone should have diameter of 6.4mm compared to yours 5.8mm. The stone only has a face up diameter of a well cut 0.74c stone, lots of leakage making it look even smaller. Basically, the cutter can't possibly have cut it any worse other than leaving it as a rough.

 

[D&T]

the cut is sooo deep, its dimension and face up size will actually look more like a .75carat, if that is the case, then I would rather look for an ideal cut .75 ct to begin with know what I mean?. In all honestly your carat size should look near like a 1 carat in the 6.4-6.5mm range if well cut...

ETA: SC got to the dimension first posted at the same time

ETAA: here is just an example of a better cut H&A diamond even less than $2200 in a .75 carat range

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1266607.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

 

[stone-cold11]

 

[AprilBaby]

Not a good deal.

 

[yssie]

Date: 12/11/2009 8:45:25 PM
Author: Stone-cold11
A well cut 0.97c stone should have diameter of 6.4mm compared to yours 5.8mm. The stone only has a face up diameter of a well cut 0.74c stone, lots of leakage making it look even smaller. Basically, the cutter can''t possibly have cut it any worse other than leaving it as a rough.

Everything SC said!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 12/11/2009 8:17:19 PM
Author:farfrompro
Hi, I've been reading posts on this site for awhile now and had a question to ask you. I recently looked at a diamond ring that (after looking at the certification and numbers) is not cut well. I dont believe that the person selling the ring is trying to 'con' me because he was very forthright about the numbers etc. of the ring. I would just like to know how much 'sparkle' and 'fire' i am sacrificing by buying a ring that is not well cut. The center diamond is .97 round brilliant and the measurements are 5.87-5.81x4.24mm, depth is 72.7%(i know, i know), table 56%, crown 17.5%, pavilion 46.3%, girldle very thick faceted (again, i know), culet none, flourescence none, polish/symm both good, color g, clarity si2. I had the ring looked at by an appraiser who says the inclusions are very hard to even see under a microscope. A friend who works at a jewelry store looked at the cert info and said that the diamond for the price is not bad as well. It is set in a .5 tw white gold setting with stones that are also g-h and vs clarities (according to the appraiser) - total price 3,000. As i said, i know the cut is not quality...but how much will this affect the total appearance of my ring? Thanks for your thoughts!

Run run run!!!!!!! HORRIBLE proportions and the diamond is going to look so tiny and dark compared to others of similar weight!! You are sacrificing nearly everything to do with beauty and sparkle if you buy this rock.

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 12/11/2009 8:17:19 PM
Author:farfrompro
Hi, I''ve been reading posts on this site for awhile now and had a question to ask you. I recently looked at a diamond ring that (after looking at the certification and numbers) is not cut well. I dont believe that the person selling the ring is trying to ''con'' me because he was very forthright about the numbers etc. of the ring. I would just like to know how much ''sparkle'' and ''fire'' i am sacrificing by buying a ring that is not well cut. The center diamond is .97 round brilliant and the measurements are 5.87-5.81x4.24mm, depth is 72.7%(i know, i know), table 56%, crown 17.5%, pavilion 46.3%, girldle very thick faceted (again, i know), culet none, flourescence none, polish/symm both good, color g, clarity si2. I had the ring looked at by an appraiser who says the inclusions are very hard to even see under a microscope. A friend who works at a jewelry store looked at the cert info and said that the diamond for the price is not bad as well. It is set in a .5 tw white gold setting with stones that are also g-h and vs clarities (according to the appraiser) - total price 3,000. As i said, i know the cut is not quality...but how much will this affect the total appearance of my ring? Thanks for your thoughts!

Wow, just about everything I thought to say has been said. Just in case any one was too subtle, Lorelei came right out and said it best!

I would add only this.

If at all possible, find a friend with a well cut diamond of around 1ct and ask her to go with you so that you can see this side by side with the diamond you are looking at.

Also, if not a friend with a 1ct, then find one with a 3/4 ct and go see if you would not rather have a 3/4 that looks like hers than a .97 that looks actually smaller than hers because of the lack of light coming to the edges of the diamond. Not only does this diamond have the spread of a 3/4, but it will look even smaller still because of the cutting.

Garry Holloway had some wonderful sets made up for jewelers to show clients the effect that cutting has on the appearance of size. a well cut 3/4 carat in that set actually looks larger than the 1carat because of the cutting. The picture is on the boards here somewhere, perhaps one of the search experts can find it.

Really, the only way you will know how much you are truly giving up with this diamond is to find a way to compare it with a well cut diamond. The difference will amaze you, and if you already own the diamond by the time you compare, dissapoint you horribly!

Wink

 

[Dreamer_D]

Why would you want a diamond that looks so much smaller than it should? even if you don''t care about cut (why not???) then you should care about that!

 

[Lorelei]

HDate: 12/12/2009 9:15:28 AM
Author: Wink

Date: 12/11/2009 8:17:19 PM
Author:farfrompro
Hi, I've been reading posts on this site for awhile now and had a question to ask you. I recently looked at a diamond ring that (after looking at the certification and numbers) is not cut well. I dont believe that the person selling the ring is trying to 'con' me because he was very forthright about the numbers etc. of the ring. I would just like to know how much 'sparkle' and 'fire' i am sacrificing by buying a ring that is not well cut. The center diamond is .97 round brilliant and the measurements are 5.87-5.81x4.24mm, depth is 72.7%(i know, i know), table 56%, crown 17.5%, pavilion 46.3%, girldle very thick faceted (again, i know), culet none, flourescence none, polish/symm both good, color g, clarity si2. I had the ring looked at by an appraiser who says the inclusions are very hard to even see under a microscope. A friend who works at a jewelry store looked at the cert info and said that the diamond for the price is not bad as well. It is set in a .5 tw white gold setting with stones that are also g-h and vs clarities (according to the appraiser) - total price 3,000. As i said, i know the cut is not quality...but how much will this affect the total appearance of my ring? Thanks for your thoughts!

Wow, just about everything I thought to say has been said. Just in case any one was too subtle, Lorelei came right out and said it best!

I would add only this.

If at all possible, find a friend with a well cut diamond of around 1ct and ask her to go with you so that you can see this side by side with the diamond you are looking at.

Also, if not a friend with a 1ct, then find one with a 3/4 ct and go see if you would not rather have a 3/4 that looks like hers than a .97 that looks actually smaller than hers because of the lack of light coming to the edges of the diamond. Not only does this diamond have the spread of a 3/4, but it will look even smaller still because of the cutting.

Garry Holloway had some wonderful sets made up for jewelers to show clients the effect that cutting has on the appearance of size. a well cut 3/4 carat in that set actually looks larger than the 1carat because of the cutting. The picture is on the boards here somewhere, perhaps one of the search experts can find it.

Really, the only way you will know how much you are truly giving up with this diamond is to find a way to compare it with a well cut diamond. The difference will amaze you, and if you already own the diamond by the time you compare, dissapoint you horribly!

Wink

Hehe!!

This is the picture you mean Wink?

"Both gems are the same diameter and could be cut from the rough diamond. The well cut diamond on the left weighs 0.84ct and the dull drab stone weighs 1.00ct. Because it is a carat it will sell for more."

 

[Dreamer_D]

This video by Good Old Gold shows ideal cut diamonds next to an "average" commercial grade diamond on the far right. Can you see the difference? Notice how much smaller it looks with the same carat weight? Notice how dull it is around the edges? Yours is probably cut worse then the one in this video.

http://www.vimeo.com/7692417

Here is another one, it is on the left in case you cannot tell

http://www.vimeo.com/7105789

 

[rock_noob]

PLEASE PLEASE listen to these guys (I'm new on here as well!). Keep your money in your pocket.

Spend your money to get a nicer cut diamond instead of a larger diamond. A excellent cut 0.75-0.85 carat diamond with very good-excellent proportions can be had for your budget and will probably make you more happy at the end (or your SO). What that means is that the diamond will look have better fire, brilliance, and light reflection.

The diamond you are looking at probably wont do so well.

Use the HCA to help you. You want to find a diamond with a score of less than 2.

https://www.pricescope.com/cutadviser.asp

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 12/12/2009 1:04:02 PM
Author: Lorelei

HDate: 12/12/2009 9:15:28 AM
Author: Wink

Date: 12/11/2009 8:17:19 PM
Author:farfrompro
Hi, I''ve been reading posts on this site for awhile now and had a question to ask you. I recently looked at a diamond ring that (after looking at the certification and numbers) is not cut well. I dont believe that the person selling the ring is trying to ''con'' me because he was very forthright about the numbers etc. of the ring. I would just like to know how much ''sparkle'' and ''fire'' i am sacrificing by buying a ring that is not well cut. The center diamond is .97 round brilliant and the measurements are 5.87-5.81x4.24mm, depth is 72.7%(i know, i know), table 56%, crown 17.5%, pavilion 46.3%, girldle very thick faceted (again, i know), culet none, flourescence none, polish/symm both good, color g, clarity si2. I had the ring looked at by an appraiser who says the inclusions are very hard to even see under a microscope. A friend who works at a jewelry store looked at the cert info and said that the diamond for the price is not bad as well. It is set in a .5 tw white gold setting with stones that are also g-h and vs clarities (according to the appraiser) - total price 3,000. As i said, i know the cut is not quality...but how much will this affect the total appearance of my ring? Thanks for your thoughts!

Wow, just about everything I thought to say has been said. Just in case any one was too subtle, Lorelei came right out and said it best!

I would add only this.

If at all possible, find a friend with a well cut diamond of around 1ct and ask her to go with you so that you can see this side by side with the diamond you are looking at.

Also, if not a friend with a 1ct, then find one with a 3/4 ct and go see if you would not rather have a 3/4 that looks like hers than a .97 that looks actually smaller than hers because of the lack of light coming to the edges of the diamond. Not only does this diamond have the spread of a 3/4, but it will look even smaller still because of the cutting.

Garry Holloway had some wonderful sets made up for jewelers to show clients the effect that cutting has on the appearance of size. a well cut 3/4 carat in that set actually looks larger than the 1carat because of the cutting. The picture is on the boards here somewhere, perhaps one of the search experts can find it.

Really, the only way you will know how much you are truly giving up with this diamond is to find a way to compare it with a well cut diamond. The difference will amaze you, and if you already own the diamond by the time you compare, dissapoint you horribly!

Wink

Hehe!!

This is the picture you mean Wink?

''Both gems are the same diameter and could be cut from the rough diamond. The well cut diamond on the left weighs 0.84ct and the dull drab stone weighs 1.00ct. Because it is a carat it will sell for more.''

No, but because it uses the rough between the two examples it is even better than the one I was thinking about!

Wink

 

[farfrompro]

WOW! I want to thank you all for your input and help with this! Everything you said (and showed me) was very informative and i feel like i have a much better idea of what i want and dont want. I ended up going with a smaller carat diamond (.82) but like you said, it looked pretty much the same as the diamond i had previously looked at (even slightly bigger). I made sure to not sacrifice my cut when looking this time. The diamond also has a color grade of E and is VS2 which is better than the one before. By really not placing my sights on carat size I think i got a much better looking diamond. It is gorgeous. Thank you again for your all your help!