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whotheyare

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hey there i got a diamond cross done and the 2 pictures attatched wa
the cross after casting without bail (diamonds not set just put in
cross to see how its like) then the second picture is the final piece
with diamonds properly set and bail attatched, in the setting of
diamonds he had to cut a new seat for the diamonds and the channel has
to be pushed over each stone indivudally. I am not sure what this
means exactly and to me in the picture with completed product the
width of the gold in proportion to the width of diamond seems to be
much bigger than the first picture he sent. Are my eyes decieving me
or is the gold in the completed cross a little uneven and more width
of gold in relation to the diamond width than in the previous pic?

thanks pics are attatched

 
I don''t see any pictures.
 
this is the finished cross

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picture of cross before the diamonds were set properly (diamonds just added to see how it would look)

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It looks like you are right. The only problem is one is in black it has a slimming look and both pics are taken from a different angle. You have not seen this in real life? It is a beautiful cross. I would talk to the vendor if it bothers you.
 
yes one of them looks more slim but they are the exact same cross just that in the one picture it looks alot slimmer but that is the same cross except when setting the diamonds on finished product he had to cut a new seat for the diamonds and channel gold has to be pushed over each stone individually whatever that means, i really liked that slimmer cross i hope this finished cross is the same im not sure why it looks fatter for some reason he still tells me the diamond width is around 1/3 to 1/2 the total width of the vertical piece of cross but in that pic it looks like the diamond width is 1/4 or 1/5 the width of the gold.

by the way the slim cross is not black its gold but it just looks dull because of the lighting and it wasnt polished
 
I see, you are right it is gold (I guess it was the angle). They do look different. I wonder what others on PS think
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I like the thinner one, personally. Is it possible for the jeweler to slim down the sides of the cross so it looks more like the slimmer cross?
 
they are the exact same cross only thing is he set the diamonds in the other picture and pushed the gold over the diamond as he said it was needed im wondering what that means, the width is same 7.6mm so i dont know maybe its just the picture making it look so fat,
 
I think since the gold is pushed over the diamonds it looks wider and the diamonds look smaller. I think if the jeweler shaved down the sides (if that''s even possible) it would look more like the picture where the edges look to be the same width as the diamonds. Are you unhappy with the cross as is or do you want it changed?
 
its a custom made piece so whats done is done but pushing gold over the diamonds make that big of a difference? it looks like totally different cross, I thought it would be a very minor decrease in channel setting, weird thing is, I actually purchased 2.70-2.75mm diamonds instead of 2.6mm diamonds I had originally because the benchworker requested so i was expecting to see more diamond width less gold width but as u can see its the opposite, he still says the diamond width is 1/3-1/2 of the cross piece width but in that pic it looks like the diamond is 1/4 of the piece width....

anyone seeing something that im missing? is it just a bad angle or what
 
Well I''m not a jeweler, so hopefully a jeweler or appraiser or other expert will chime in...
 
anyone know the effects of pushing the gold over diamond in channel setting is it supposed to make the cross look that different or is it just camera angle
 
I like how the finished cross has a larger diamond in the center of the cross.

Very nice cross.
 
thanks, nice dog

hopefully when i get in my hand it looks more closer to the cross that was before the setting of diamonds
 
he tells me:

this is not like a channel set ring
were they push the channel and set it
the holes were to close
so he had to cut indiviudal seets
and push the metal over it
and he did a great job

what does this mean? I wanted a channel set cross and i have no clue what hes trying to tell me
 
I would check it out in real life and then decide. You might love it; wishing you the best. Hope it all works out. Hopefully an expert will chime in.
 
well, to me, the before picture looks like a diamond cross with gold along the edges, and the after picture looks like a gold cross with diamonds in it.

I wonder exactly how many mm of each diamond he covered up? Even if he just covered up .2mm on each side of each diamond that would be .4mm of each diamond, and at 2.7 mm that is a good 15% of each diamond being covered up. which is not only decreasing the visible surface area of the diamond but increasing the visible surface area of the gold which would certainly explain the visible difference wouldn't it? I am not sure how much he covered up, but I have a hard time imagining it is much less than .2mm per side? though I suppose it could be, less than .2mm is just so dang small I have a hard time thinking he was that skilled. but perhaps it isn't as difficult as I imagine it would be?
 
oh yea, and I second that it was a good idea to change out that center diamond for a larger one. Looks nice.
 
I''m not a bench jeweler so I can''t tell you in detail the who''s, what''s when''s where''s and why''s, but I would say that if you''re not completely happy with the finished job and think that it looks a little "sloppy" then tell the jeweler who made the cross for you what you don''t like about it and have him fix it to your specs. I''m "assuming" he was more concerned with the diamonds'' security within the setting and therefore "pushed" the gold over farther onto the diamonds in certain places (which you are seeing visually), but if there''s a way he can set the diamonds to be absolutely secure without it being noticeable than by all means he should do that for you. In the end you as the consumer need to be happy with the piece and he as the jeweler can make sure the setting is secure so you don''t risk losing any of those diamonds...imo it''s great that you''ve noticed these details and realize that some tweaking needs to be done.
 
I can’t really tell all that much from the pictures, and neither can you, but that looks like a pretty good job to me. Reserve judgment until you see the actual piece. Part of what your seeing may be the shape of the outside edge of the piece but a lot of it has to do with the camera. One of the final steps of the setting process is to square off the top edge of the channel wall and what you’re seeing may be a slight variation in that finishing step. Cameras tend to amplify this sort of thing. Talk to your jeweler about it. It may be a very easy bit of finishing work.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Jewelry Appraisals in Denver
 
is pushing gold over diamond mean its not a good job? i dont know how much diamond he covered up but by looking at picture it doesnt seem like much, do all channel set items have a little but of the diamond covered up like how he did?
 
The way to do a channel setting like this is to take a little bur the same size as the stone with a sharp edge and cut a notch the same shape as the girdle in each side of the channel wall. The channel needs to be just slightly narrower than the stone is wide so that you can rest it in the notch on each side. After you get the notches (called seats) just right, you hammer down the top of the channel so that the notch pinches down on the edge of the stone holding it in. This way the seat holds it up from the bottom and the top of the channel (called the rail) holds it down onto the seat. This hammering is what he means by pushing gold over the stone and it can make a little bit of a mess on the top of the piece so there’s usually some finishing work. It occasionally makes sort of a ‘mushroom’ affect right next to where the hammer tool hits and this makes the line look crooked. The setter will straighten this up with a small chisel called a graver or one of a variety of other tools available for this purpose. I couldn’t tell if he did a good job of it without inspecting the seats but your description of the process sounds right and the hard part is getting all of the stones straight, level, and tight, not the finishing on the top. In the pictures this looks pretty good to me.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver
 
thanks denver appraiser ill post pics when i get the piece, i was hopinh i could get gold a little more brighter but i guess it would have to be 18k to get that
 
Date: 10/13/2007 9:30:36 PM
Author: whotheyare
thanks denver appraiser ill post pics when i get the piece, i was hopinh i could get gold a little more brighter but i guess it would have to be 18k to get that
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i am just curious, why didn''t you get 18k?
 
Just want to reiterate what Neil said: the magnified photos and angles often emphasize
tiny imperfections that you will not see in real life.
 
i didnt know how 18k would look, i was wanting bright yellow, if i got 18k you think it would have made the gold more brighter than it is right now?
 
also do the diamonds in the finished picvture look like vs1-2 with a few vvs1?
 
Date: 10/15/2007 8:37:23 PM
Author: whotheyare
also do the diamonds in the finished picvture look like vs1-2 with a few vvs1?
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There is no way to tell from the pictures.
 
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