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Diamond Advice Please! 60/60?

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Teague47

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Hey again folks. Sorry, I've started 3 different threads, I've been all over the place with this. I've got a setting picked out on B2C now I need to choose the right diamond. Budget is small, maximum 3k would be nice to stay even lower than that. I've been stuck on this 60/60 diamond, it just seems like with a limited budget it will appear to be the biggest stone. Thoughts on this?? It's HCA score is a 1.7. I'm waiting back to get more information on the inclusions.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3023002-0.84-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-SI2-Clarity.aspx?sku=3023002&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com


Furthermore, there will be plenty of stones in the .75-.8 range that I could afford that are SI1 and possibly even H in color, that are a more traditional "Ideal Cut" stone rather than the 60/60. (I'm a little nervous about an I color, but I think it can slide) But, the 60/60 just intrigues me! A huge spread! Seems like it could be a great value...

For those of you who comment, I appreciate it more than you know! And so will my future bride (cause hopefully she won't be wearing a clunker)

Blessings!

p.s. here is a link to a diamond in price range with a more popular cut. It's HCA score is 1.3. But, notice how much smaller the spread is. It is an SI1.

http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-3292815-0.83-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-SI1-Clarity.aspx?sku=3292815&utm_source=pricescope.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=pricescope.com
 
Hi! The "I" color is perfectly fine on an excellent/ideal cut stone so you should have no worries IMO. Also, here is the GIA link to the stone: https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?&reportno=2136453951&weight=.84
The crown and pav angles look great and are ideal proportions. It can be a very beautiful stone and as I heard 60/60 stones give off a bright white sparkle, lots of brilliance. If you can indeed confirm its eye-clean, I think its worth to buy it. You can also take it to an appraiser after you purchase and if you are not happy for any reason, just send it back. Best of luck to you!
 
You do have to be sure that the SI2 is very eyeclean. But I wanted to say that there would be very little visual difference in those two stones at 6.12x6.14mm and 6.03x6.05mm. I'd rather have the I SI1 since it's primary inclusion is a twining wisp over the SI2 that has a crystal as it's primary inclusion. Be sure they check that stone from the top and sides to be sure it is really eyeclean. Do not let the tiny size difference influence this decision. Both stones may be great, but I think clarity would decide it more for me (other than I think a larger table means less crown showing, so I prefer tables smaller than 60, personally.)
 
angles?
 
Thanks guys. I'm trying to get a good answer on the inclusions. I'm also trying to get an ASET.

The angles on the 60/60 are:

Crown angle- 34
Pavilion angle - 40.8


Also, I appreciate the advice that an I color will suffice for an excellent cut. This will keep me from searching for 'very good' cuts.
 
I agree with wsblue430.

The diamond looks good on paper, however I would also want to know how it looks with the naked eyes since it is an SI2.

Ask them to give you a gemologists comments on this diamond.

Goodluck :)
 
Great. As for now I am waiting to get a gemologist a comment or an ASET. When I get that I will post the results in here. If its bad news, I will go for an SI1.
 
I believe if the store gives you gemologist review and the stone is good - meaning no inclusions visible, than
I would buy the stone, as the price and additional services they offer are stupendous.
 
Great. Thanks for the added confidence. I've been nervous to purchase online but can't deny the value compared to local shops. I was just very curious about the 60/60 cut. From what I've gathered this cut will give a little more brilliance but less fire. Which seems it could work to my advantage by whitening up the I color a bit. But heck what do I know.
 
Teague47|1354028290|3316421 said:
Great. Thanks for the added confidence. I've been nervous to purchase online but can't deny the value compared to local shops. I was just very curious about the 60/60 cut. From what I've gathered this cut will give a little more brilliance but less fire. Which seems it could work to my advantage by whitening up the I color a bit. But heck what do I know.
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Buying Diamonds from an online store is now very common, reason being they offer not only quality diamond as per our requirements, but also offer 100% refund if we are not satisfied. You not only save time but also enjoy hassle free transaction. I personally prefer shopping online within my own comfort zone without any sales person trying to be pushy. All in all, you have nothing to risk & at the end of the day it is always a win win situation. :appl:
 
Well, heard back from the jeweler. They do not recommend the 60/60 diamond because there are "a few small clouds in the table that are visible to the naked eye, if held at a short distance."

So, I guess this is a no go? The search continues. I think not may be too difficult to try and find me an eye clean si2 because they don't have diamonds on hand. Would y'all suggest just upping my standards to si2 because in my situation?
 
Yes, it's a no go.

I kinda have to say, I think you are going about this the wrong way a bit.

A woman wants to feel special. As if the ring is chosen with her tastes and lifestyle in mind. With a lot of special attention paid to the details.

I really think you need to slow down a little. Just a little and take a deep breath and step back. Think about who she is.

You say you have a setting picked out. This is a gift FOR HER. You have no input from her. How did you decide on the setting? What kind of research did you do on it?

Lowest price is not the path to the best outcome. Thoughtful consideration is.
 
Gypsy, I can understand Your concerns by just reading these forum posts. So, I appreciate your concern. I'm confident if you knew my current Financial situation you would understand a little better. I don't wanna come across as a cheap skate but it'd be foolish for me not to try to stretch my 3k budget as much as I can. She woukd actually be upset if i spent more. And you are very right it is a gift, probably the most meaningful gift just for her! So, I hope I can come up with something good for her with 3k. That's really why I began posting on here, to prevent myself from making a stupid decision when I could've gotten something better for her.

As for a setting, we went to several different local shops and I noticed her beaming when she tried this setting on. I told her to tell me the top 3 so there was still a surprise element. But i know which one she loved. It's a simple solitaire twisted rope in yellow gold. Very vintage, simple, yet still a touch of something different. Totally her style.
 
Teague47|1354213355|3318461 said:
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-2908813-0.80-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-SI1-clarity.aspx
I inquired about the above diamond. Jeweler said they don't recommend because the shade if te diamond is dusky. I'm curious will I hear this same thing from all I colored diamonds??? If so, I'll inquire about H color and drop my size down?
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No, most I coloured diamonds are not dusky. They will be near colourless or white unless viewed from the side.
 
Teague47|1354213355|3318461 said:
http://www.b2cjewels.com/dd-2908813-0.80-carat-Round-diamond-I-color-SI1-clarity.aspx

I inquired about the above diamond. Jeweler said they don't recommend because the shade if te diamond is dusky. I'm curious will I hear this same thing from all I colored diamonds??? If so, I'll inquire about H color and drop my size down?
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Not necessary, some may be colorless or some may have dusky look, it all depends...if they have certain types of inclusions
&/Or Weaker shade Or if they have any brown/ yellow tinge, which is too prominent.
 
How strict is your $3,000 budget? Could you go to $3,200 or $3,300? I can link you to some great contenders, but some might be a hair over and I'm not sure if you have a bit of wiggle room (or could if you waited another paycheck, for example).

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.770-h-si1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104061421014
http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.812-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104062031017
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2813911.htm
http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2782685.htm
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/8246/
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1534412.asp
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI1-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1542034.asp
 
Hey guys. Thanks for clearing that up. And Milton, thanks a ton for sending those diamonds. Unfortunately, I really can't go over 3K. It's already a stretch for me and my 3k budget is including the setting (which is only 400). So i'm really looking for a diamond in the range of 2600.
 
I got my fiancee a 60/60 which worked out well, but she preferred a more brilliant / less firey stone. Another reason it worked out (on a budget smaller than yours) is that it is 68 points, which is a very hard to find size (cutters aim for .70 if they possibly can). That said, I think you have great options in the .7-.75 range within your budget. I'm not the best at diamond hunting but I like the look of this one, which only stretches your budget by $300:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.720-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104061762001

This is within your budget, but SI2 so I'd call about clarity:

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/0.714-h-si2-round-diamond-ags-104062031030

IIRC Brian Gavin tends to be more expensive than James Allen or Blue Nile, but I find their site is a lot easier to use. I'm sure one of PS's more expert diamond hunters can find you even better options!
 
Thanks Chris! I appreciate all the suggestions. I'm soaking them all in just waiting to come across just the right one!
 
Hey guys. Can I get advise on this diamond please. I've heard back from the vendor it is eye clean. They are unable to provide an ASET, Idealscope, or a real image. Here is the GIA report of the diamond. Please, kindly let me know what you think....

https://myapps.gia.edu/ReportCheckPortal/getReportData.do?reportno=1146305249&weight=0.77

It scored a 1.1 on the HCA scale with 4 Excellents.

They do have a return policy, do you think this is worth purchasing to see. I could always send it back. But I'm trying to get it set in time for a New Year's Eve proposal.
 
I mean, what can one say? The price looks great for that weight, I and VS2 should both be acceptable in a triple-ex. The only problem is that GIA rounds the angle numbers meaning it's hard to be 100% confident that the stone will be as amazing as the numbers say it should be. Only an idealscope image or the real stone can tell you for certain.

That said, at that price I would buy that stone as described. I probably wouldn't even sleep on it. You can't be 100% confident that it will be as amazing as it could be but you can be 100% confident that it will be darn close, and in all probability that it will look better than any stone your intended has seen on another girl's finger! As that price I would risk it, personally. It's a pretty small risk - I just don't want to say that it's no risk, since you are buying sight unseen.

More questions just for completeness: Would you order it set or have it set elsewhere? Is there any possibility of having it sent to you for examination before you go through with the purchase? If their return policy is good I would be willing to pull the trigger on that stone.
 
Wow, that makes me feel better. I have the diamond on hold right now. I'm debating whether to have it set or just have them ship the loose diamond to me to inspect and appraise before sending it back to them to have it set. They are one of the only vendors that has the setting I'm looking for (and for a great price). A local shop actually has it too, but I'd rather just go thru one company so it's a cleaner upgrade and etc... What would be your advice? Just have them set it and send it to me? Or see the loose diamond before sending it back to have them set it?

The return policy is 30 days. Upgrade policy is very good as well.
 
At this juncture I would have to defer to the more experienced posters, since I've only ever purchased one engagement ring diamond and I was able to see it before hand.

But in case no one else wants to weigh in, I think you could have it set and then sent to you - since it's GIA certified you know the color and clarity are right it's just the cut that you're concerned about. If you were a typical PS poster you might want it unset so you could properly look at it with your own idealscope (:D) but I think you can probably look at it set and decide if it gives you enough light return.
 
The diamond is ordered just waiting on the wire transfer to go through. I actually decided to have it at to me loose. He assured me I coul still have it sent back and set free if charge before New Year's Eve. Thanks a lot for your input Chris! Ill let you know how it looks when it gets here but I sure am hoping its a keeper!
 
You don't think an appraiser would give me an honest opinion? I was really planning on taking it to an appraisal in hopes of him telling me I either got a good deal or I didn't, if I didn't I'll return it.
 
I mean, I don't know that much about what "appraisers" per se do. I don't think you need one; you can see from the pricescope database what similar stones cost, the point of the idealscope is to evaluate the light return. I don't even know if an "appraiser" would look at light return. You have a 2012 GIA report so there is a 99.99% chance of the stone being as described. You're not going to take it to someone and have them tell you that it's NOT a .77 carat I VS2. Though you might take it to someone to tell you that the stone hasn't been damaged since that report was made, that certainly wouldn't hurt.
 
Know what? You could take it to an appraiser and buy an idealscope too. The stone is an awfully good deal - spending money to check it out means that you're still coming out ahead and it would be worth the extra money to be sure everything is kosher.
 
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