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Decided on Vatche U113 setting - Question on the stone!

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ars010184

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Hi everyone,

Recently joined the forum but spent a lot of time reading the various postings (very helpful BTW) and viewing the bling pics. I really like the classic tiffany setting and read that the Vatche U113 would be a good match. Think my hopefully soon to be fiancée will like it.

I am looking for a 2.0+ carat round brilliant, GIA/AGS, excellent cut, polish and symmetry. I initially thought about going with G-H color with VS1-VS2 clarity. However, after seeing the loose diamonds in-person, believe the I color to be an excellent value without any noticeable difference.

I found an AGS certified diamond on JA. It's a 2.02 carat, I, VS1 with AGS rating 0 for cut, polish and symmetry priced at $23,950. It scored a 1.3 on the HCA test. Is this diamond fairly priced or am I paying a significant premium for the AGS certification? The RAPAPORT report lists $12,400 per carat for a diamond of this color/clarity i.e. ~$25,000 for this stone. Should I be looking for a discount (10%?) to RAPAPORT or is paying the price listed considered a good deal?

Additionally, what do you think about the dimensions of the stone? Should I be worried about the large table size and culet (very small). Below is a link to the diamond on the JA site

http://www.jamesallen.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut/2.02-carat-i-color-vs1-clarity-ideal-cut-sku-72886

Depth %:60.30 , Table %:59.90, 35.7° crown angle, 40.5° pavilion angle
Girdle: Thin-Medium, Culet:VS, Fluorescence: Negligible
Polish:Ideal , Symmetry:Ideal
L/W/D (mm): 8.13*8.17*4.91

Thanks in advance for any help and feedback you can provide! Much appreciated.
-Aj
 
I am not loving the measurements on that stone as I definitely do not like a 60 table. Let me look and see what else is around.
 
Okay, have some outstanding choices for you!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2838117.htm ($22,171 with PS/wire discount)

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.022-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104064190005

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.126-i-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104061006024

All of these should have higher cut quality than the one you posted. And I prefer fluorescence in I color stones when possible.

However, considering that WF is a Vatche vendor, it is far easier to get the diamond and setting done at the same place.

They have an H if you want to go up to $28k:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2927987.htm
 
diamondseeker2006|1369185019|3451521 said:
Okay, have some outstanding choices for you!

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2838117.htm ($22,171 with PS/wire discount)

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.022-i-vs2-round-diamond-ags-bl-104064190005

http://www.briangavindiamonds.com/diamonds/diamond-details/2.126-i-vs1-round-diamond-ags-bl-104061006024

All of these should have higher cut quality than the one you posted. And I prefer fluorescence in I color stones when possible.

However, considering that WF is a Vatche vendor, it is far easier to get the diamond and setting done at the same place.

They have an H if you want to go up to $28k:

http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-2927987.htm
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Thanks Diamondseeker2006! In terms of the Aset, Ideal Scope and Sarin reports, all 4 of the diamonds appear similar to me. Does that mean all 4 diamonds are the same in terms of cut and light performance? Should I base my decision on color/clarity when choosing between these diamonds?

How would you compare the diamond Niel posted in terms of cut and light performance? Is the considerable price difference just because of the lower clarity?

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10208/
 
Niel|1369185314|3451526 said:
id probably try and buy it from a place that sells that setting, makes it easiest

i like this one if eye clean, and GOG sells Vatche
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10208/
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Thanks Niel! The GOG site doesn't say if it's eye clean or not. Do you know if GOG has these stones in inventory? If so I can call and ask them to check?
 
Honestly, the ones from BGD are significantly more expensive...so I think the GOG one is a good compromise. Other than it being a hair deep, the numbers look good as do the aset and ideal scope images! Plus, like Niel pointed out, they have the setting you want.
 
ars010184|1369192096|3451613 said:
Niel|1369185314|3451526 said:
id probably try and buy it from a place that sells that setting, makes it easiest

i like this one if eye clean, and GOG sells Vatche
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10208/
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Thanks Niel! The GOG site doesn't say if it's eye clean or not. Do you know if GOG has these stones in inventory? If so I can call and ask them to check?
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Yes, that stone they do have in house so they could tell you if it's eye clean. It's an SI1 and only has the twinning wisps, so I really wouldn't worry about it. But call them anyways.
 
Some of the stones would be considered top cut quality as in hearts and arrows...the WF one for sure. The BG stones are ideal cut and can possibly be H&A, but since they will not provide hearts images for the blue line, they can be considered very nice ideal cuts. The GOG stone looks very nice to me, but they did not rate it as H&A. It's lower price is due to the drop in clarity and the fact that it isn't H&A. But they all have great light performance.
 
GOG has a larger 2.38 I SI1 at $25k that is H&A:

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/10828/

So it really all depends on how you prioritize size, cut, and clarity with all of these I color stones. There are reasons to choose all of them, but our preferences will differ.
 
I know its nor vs but that GOG one just seems hard to passon, if its eye clean your saving thousandss
 
Niel|1369229123|3451774 said:
I know its nor vs but that GOG one just seems hard to passon, if its eye clean your saving thousandss
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I agree with Niel... this is stone is beautiful and a FABULOUS value!! :)

Also, I really like the 2.38 ct that DS mentioned posted, simply due to the size increase. :naughty: <--- says the size whore. :lol:
 
Thanks for all the help folks! I called GOG and they were able to verify that it was eye clean. However, they mentioned that the stone has a indented natural. If I zoom in on the microscopic pic, I think I can see it between 8-9'o clock (not 100% sure).

Can this inclusion be covered by a ring prong? Does it have any impact on the diamond's durability or light reflection?

Thanks
 
ars010184|1369249592|3451978 said:
Thanks for all the help folks! I called GOG and they were able to verify that it was eye clean. However, they mentioned that the stone has a indented natural. If I zoom in on the microscopic pic, I think I can see it between 8-9'o clock (not 100% sure).

Can this inclusion be covered by a ring prong? Does it have any impact on the diamond's durability or light reflection?

Thanks
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Did you ask them those questions? I think they would beat answer that.
 
They were able to send me a 65x pic of the inclusion. The indented natural extends from the gridle to crown. GOG also indicated that it can be covered with a prong.

One other question to this group - Assuming, I can afford to spend more, say $25-27k, should I get a 'better' stone with higher color and/or clarity? I am ok with the 2.0 carat size. I am not going to be viewing it from a 10x loupe everyday. So my definition of a 'better' stone is one that looks more brighter/brilliant to the naked eye than the GOG stone in normal light conditions. As I mentioned in my previous post, the stone will likely be mounted in a Vache U113 setting.

Thanks again! You folks have been a great help!
 
ars010184|1369276745|3452223 said:
They were able to send me a 65x pic of the inclusion. The indented natural extends from the gridle to crown. GOG also indicated that it can be covered with a prong.

One other question to this group - Assuming, I can afford to spend more, say $25-27k, should I get a 'better' stone with higher color and/or clarity? I am ok with the 2.0 carat size. I am not going to be viewing it from a 10x loupe everyday. So my definition of a 'better' stone is one that looks more brighter/brilliant to the naked eye than the GOG stone in normal light conditions. As I mentioned in my previous post, the stone will likely be mounted in a Vache U113 setting.

Thanks again! You folks have been a great help!
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For me, I'd rather spend the 7k on something else rather then sink it into a stone with just slightly better color and clarity. I mean, if you feel compelled to spend it on her, consider the wedding band will have to be purchased, or even maybe put it toward a wedding gift like diamond earrings or a necklace. I think for the minimal difference you'd see by going up in clarity or color, you could get a whole other really nice gift. OR , save it of course.
 
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