Cushion Cut Help!! Would love some opinions

[gwhizz]

Hi guys!!

so I'm still on my hunt for the right cushion cut. I've attached magnified pics and what I was told was the ASET of a diamond.

I was wondering:

- How do I read this ASET? I'm accustomed to seeing greens and blues on the ASETs i've seen (like this http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/12467/)

- Also, would lovey our opinion on the stone in general. It looks like it may not be too bright as I'd have hoped evn though the facet pattern is the one I liked.)

Thanks everybodyyyyyyyy

 

[canvasback]

You haven't attached an ASET. I am sorry. What you have is a actual picture and an IS image.

 

[gwhizz]

good to know! It didnt seem like any ASET i'd seen before.

any opinion on the diamond? Is this very incomplete information to see if this diamond is worth buying?

Based upon the specs itself, the diamond does intrigue me.

Thanks

 

[gwhizz]

Also, what is an IS report? I can't seem to find it online.

 

[canvasback]

good to know! It didnt seem like any ASET i'd seen before.

any opinion on the diamond? Is this very incomplete information to see if this diamond is worth buying?

Based upon the specs itself, the diamond does intrigue me.

Thanks

I know only little about diamonds and even less about cushions. So don't take my advice as anything serious....

To me, I like the light return on the GOG diamond that you linked to. I do not like the IS of the diamond you posted because it looks like a lot of light is leaking out from the pavilion as seen under the table. I do however like the facet pattern of the stone you posted, (just as you do) better. I like the hearts and arrows style of patterning a lot more than the pattern seen in most cushions.

To sum it up.... I like the facet patterning of the stone you posted, but wouldn't buy it because I believe I could find a much better stone as far as light performance is concerned.




IS as in IdealScope image. sorry for the confusion.



Your best option (if you haven't done it yet as mentioned in your other thread) is to call Good old Gold and have them work on it for you. If they don't have what you want right now... they can probably source it. You've got a good sized budget to work with, and there's no reason to settle on something you're not all out for.

 

[gwhizz]

Yeah, I am open to doing that. My only reluctance is that they want me to put down $200 deposit, which I am open to doing.

However, I'm a bit worried that they wont be able to find me what I would like, at the price I would like. And then I would feel somewhat pidgeon-holed into sticking with GOG (even though $200 isn't a tremendous amount of money relative to the price of the diamond()

 

[canvasback]

Yeah, I am open to doing that. My only reluctance is that they want me to put down $200 deposit, which I am open to doing.

However, I'm a bit worried that they wont be able to find me what I would like, at the price I would like. And then I would feel somewhat pidgeon-holed into sticking with GOG (even though $200 isn't a tremendous amount of money relative to the price of the diamond()

200 bucks is 200 bucks. I hear ya on that, and won't tell you how to spend your money!
Hopefully someone out there can chime in with a stone or further direction...

 

[Gypsy]

It is a gorgeous stone. The ASET is posted in the link. You may have pissed it. What you posted was an idealscope image.

I think that it's a fantastic stone, and frankly a great purchase. I'd advise you to buy it.

 

[gwhizz]

Hi Gypsy,

Actually, that was an example of what I thought the ASET should look like. I really do like the stone in the link, but I'm worried that the color 'I' would be too yellow.

I actually purchased the setting already (a rose gold band). Do you guys have thoughts on if that means I should get a whiter stone (E/F), or if that gives me more leeway to go a bit lower (H/I)?

thanks guys. i will probably be posting a few more diamonds in the future

 

[canvasback]

I'm back.

Here's again what I think as I have some new opinions (options?) for you to consider.

That I color to me is still going to face up very white. It will look even whiter in a rose gold setting! Maybe call and talk to Jon at GOG and see if they can make a video for you with that I clamped in a rose gold setting and see what it really looks like to you.

Another option may be to get it shipped out to you and have it looked at in hand -worse comes to worst you're dealing with $50 bucks (potentially better than that $200 we talked about) sending it back and a loss of a week -10 days?

In the end, you have to do what makes you happy. So certainly don't let us on here motivate you to do something that you're not entirely happy with.

 

[MikeBotha]

The images indicate excellent symmetry. Do yourself a favour and request an image of the girdle of the stone. Some cushions have girdles that vary immensely in thickness. This is often the case when designers impose round diamond characteristics on a cushion shape.

 

[Gypsy]

Color tolerances are personal.

It is important to remember is that color is graded FACE DOWN. Where there is NO light return. Not face up where there is light return and refraction. You wear diamonds set. FACE UP.

Within one color grade, even the labs can't agree on the color grades of stones and something could be a "high" H or a "low" E. So... no. Not really. Within 2 color grades it is hard. Not impossible. But very hard. And it gets harder once set. If you are talking ideal rounds, or any stone with ideal light return and no sharp corners it gets harder still because the ideal light return masks body color.

Generally we say to be conservative stay above H.

If you are talking fancy shapes without ideal light return (because there is no 'ideal' for EC's Radiant, etc) it's a bit different.

This is how I think of it.

Ever gotten one of those HUGE paint fan decks? Where there are literally 100s of colors of whites? And when they are RIGHT next to each other you can TOTALLY tell that one is bluer/colder and one is a bit warmer and which one is one is TOTALLY warmer. One there's one that's slightly greener. One that's slightly pinker? But really. They are all white?

Then you pick one after agonizing over this white or that white and when it's on the walls and people are like: Oh. You painted again. And it's STILL white. Great.

And you're all... BUT it's BLUE white. Or it's a WARM white now. It used to be ____ white. It's TOTALLY different.

It's like that. You are talking about shades of white. D is colder... J is warmer. But it's all white.

YES. If you have an accurately graded F and an H THAT HAVE THE SAME PERFORMANCE you are going to be able to tell them apart when you compare them side by side. Just like you would be able to tell if you painted your walls a warm white, but painted the crown molding a cold/straight white. But both are STILL white, you only see the contrast because of the proximity. But it's very slight, you could set an F center with G sides and never tell the difference. And even H sides depending on the setting and the size of the sidestones... especially with round brilliants.


I want you notice all the qualifiers thought. I'm talking about stones with the SAME performance. An ideal H will out white an F that has compromised light performance from a poor cut.

NOTHING impacts the appearance of a diamond as much as cut. CUT is king.

You want the shinest whitest and brightest diamond out there: Cut is King. No other factor, not color or clarity or anything else impacts how white bright an shiny a stone is.

 

[gwhizz]

Thanks guys. I really appreciate the tips on the girdle and cut. I am definitely looking for cut first and foremost.

That is really what makes buying cushions the toughest online!! alot of vendors do not give ASETs.

I've been looking at this diamond, it has great spec's (Excellent polish & symmetry). However, I don't get why the ASET's look like this. It definitely should have some red, but I'm assuming they changed the colors on their camera??

Anybody have any thoughts? Is there anyway to buy without the Diamxray and ASET (it seems almost as if it would be impossible to make an educated purchase without them.)

 

[noscrusir]

Negative on that ASET. If it were me, I'd pass. I'd wait for something nicer if possible.

 

[gwhizz]

Is there anyway that their camera has different settings for their ASET color? (That's what the sales guy was telling me).

 

[Gypsy]

Negative on that ASET. If it were me, I'd pass. I'd wait for something nicer if possible.

yup

 

[Gypsy]

Is there anyway that their camera has different settings for their ASET color? (That's what the sales guy was telling me).

no. lying.

 

[Madison2]

Not a good diamond, I would continue to look.

 

[gwhizz]

so i actually was able to talk to the jeweler today. (i will keep his nameo ut of it).

he was extremely nice, and not pushy at all. basically he said he's been in the jewelry business for 35 years... and he doesn't know ANY jeweler that puts much weight in an ASET. he assures me that the diamond has extreme brilliance, and told me that the best way to know was to see it in person. He said if I purchased it, he could mail it out to me, and if I was unhappy, he would completely refund me (even pay the return shipping).

he really was extremely nice... and if i had not read everything on the internet about the importance of ASET's and DiamXray's I would have said okay. I am tempted to see it because the GIA certificate looks so great, and they have great reviews online as well (him especially). And he also offered me a full refund (including return shipping and no restocking fee.)

maybe the price really was true good. the GIA certificate looks perfect... but an ASET with no red at all? Its been so hard to find Cushion Brilliants with the 8 main pavilion facet pattern that there is a part of me that really wants to see it, but maybe that is just wishful thinking...

 

[Gypsy]

He's trying to make a sale.

Pass.

 

[Gypsy]

Why do you have to have an 8 main?
What is your budget and what do you want for it.