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I've been a very long time reader of this forum, but this is my first post. I think that the next step in my GFs and I relationship is approaching and thus I come to you with some questions. I'm currently searching online (PS, WF, JA) for diamonds that meet certain criteria that I believe will bring about excellent results. I hope in the coming weeks to venture out to some jewelry stores and see the selection that may have, however, I feel like I have more control of what I am getting through the online dealers.

I have always been an individual who strives for the best and I would rather spend a few more 1k on something that will be spectacular vs. being disappointed in the end (plus, you can't put a price on love and happiness..right?
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With that being said, I have a few questions for you experts who have more experience in selecting diamonds.

The specification of the diamonds I am looking for are as follows:

Carats: 2-2.5 - Round - Ideal Cut
D: 60-62
T: 54-57
C: 34-35
P: 40.6-41

Here are my questions:

1. Due to my "perfectionist" quality, I have been looking for diamonds with excellent symmetry/polish, with no culet and flouro. Obviously, diamonds of this quality tend to be more expensive and harder to find. My question, since I have not been able to see many diamonds in my life, is there any really notable difference between "very good" or "excellent" in either the symmetry or polish? Am I striving for too much here when a vg/vg would suffice or even good/good?


2. When looking for the diamonds, I have been allowing my search to go down to SI2 in clarity. I've read a few places that the SI clarity description sometimes states that inclusions *MAY* be visable to the naked eye. How accurate is this statement and should I bump up my lower limit to SI1 or VS1?

3. Going off the same principle above, I would really like a D-F diamond as well. As I have not seen many diamonds in my life, do I need to balance out the clarity and color of the diamond at all. For example, if I choose and SI2, will there be a greater noticeable difference between an F vs D diamond?

4. I know that the online dealers runner a thinner profit margin and thus prices are not *that* negotiable. Would the following scenario be too much to ask for: Diamond: $20.8k, Setting: $0.7k Total: $21.5k Ask for $20.5k (5%ish discount) or would a $21k (2.5%) be more negotiable?

I'm sorry if these questions are redundant to previous ones. I tried my best searching the forums for these answers as well as reading all the tutorials PS has to offer (btw, they are great help!). Hopefully, with some of your answers I will be able to either solidify my choices thus far, or expand on them. Anyways, thank you in advance for your help; it's greatly appreciated!
 
Hi ACN. Which cut are you looking to purchase?
 
Edited my first post: Round with hopefully an ideal cut.
 
Hi AC,

Let me see if I can help you out here.

First, many people can't tell the difference between EX and VG Sym and Pol. I won't say none can, because there are those that notice the difference, but most will not. They can be nice choices and do lower the cost some. I would not go down to Good though.
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I also would not discount stones with fluorescence, at least up to medium. You will never know it's there, unless you are under a blacklight!


As for clarity, each stone must be looked at by a real pair of eyes. It is definitely a case by case basis. If you don't want to see anything from any distance/angle, tell the vendor that. And have the youngest pair of eyes look at it. There are certainly totally eyeclean SI2's out there, but some are better than others. You want to make sure they are not affecting the light performance. And please don't go by the magnified pics and plots, they are not representitive of real life!


Color will not be affected by clarity. So you're fine to get any combo. However, as you may have read, almost no one can tell the difference between D-F, so go with F if you really want colorless. I would suggest looking at G's also, they are safe at almost any size/shape. Many go lower in well cut stones, as the brilliance masks the warmth somewhat. There is a BIG difference between a very well cut stone, and something you might find in a mall. If you go looking, try to find a Hearts on Fire dealer, that will be a good representation.

The lower you can go in color and clarity, the bigger you can get and still have a great cut. Cut is key to the diamonds real beauty, not so much color and clarity.

Most vendors offer a discount even without asking, between PS and bankwires. However, it never hurts to ask. I wouldn't want to guess at what you might get, as I really have no idea.


I hope this helped, but if not, holler again!
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Thanks for the input; really appreciate it. Here are 4 stones that I have been eyeing. There is a slight price difference between them, but I'm not sure if the performance is that much different between them (from my understanding). Suggestions/Thoughts on the stones?

Stone 1
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 2.05
Cut: Ideal
Color: E
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.5%
Table: 56.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Medium, faceted
Culet: None
Fluorescence: Medium blue
Price: $21.7

Stone 2
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 2.06
Cut: Ideal
Color: G
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.9%
Table: 55.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Price: $17.8

Stone 3
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 2.01
Cut: Ideal
Color: D
Clarity: SI1
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.9%
Table: 56.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Thin to medium
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Price: $21

Stone 4
Shape: Round
Carat weight: 2.11
Cut: Ideal
Color: H
Clarity: VS2
Certificate: GIA
Depth: 61.5%
Table: 57.0%
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Girdle: Medium to slightly thick
Culet: None
Fluorescence: None
Price: $20.5
 
What are the crown and pavilion angles for these?
 
Hi ACN,

The crown and pavilion angles are needed please and the diameters for each diamond.
 
Sorry, I knew I forgot something!

Stone 1
T: 56
D: 61.5
C: 35
P: 40.6
M: 8.16*8.19*5.03

Stone 2
T: 57
D: 61.5
C: 34.5
P: 40.8
M: 8.23*8.25*5.07

Stone 3
T: 55
D: 61.9
C: 35
P: 40.8
M: 8.13*8.16*5.04

Stone 4
T: 56
D: 61.9
C: 35
P: 40.8
M: 8.13*8.07*5.01

When speaking to this dealer over the phone, is it too much to ask a video of the diamonds side-by-side under different lighting conditions? Seeming that I have never dealt with one over the phone, I don't want to sound like an idiot requesting things that they would find strange.
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Thanks again for your help!
 
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Please ignore the post above...I messed up the measurements on the diamonds! (Switched around 2-4...oops...Sorry!!) Here are the correct measurements below (double checked this time!)

Stone 1
T: 56
D: 61.5
C: 35
P: 40.6
M: 8.16*8.19*5.03

Stone 2
T: 55
D: 61.9
C: 35
P: 40.8
M: 8.13*8.16*5.04

Stone 3
T: 56
D: 61.9
C: 35
P: 40.8
M: 8.13*8.07*5.01

Stone 4
T: 57
D: 61.5
C: 34.5
P: 40.8
M: 8.23*8.25*5.07

---------------------- Complete Info (to help avoid further confusion) -------------

Stone 1
Round
2.05
Ideal
E
SI1
GIA

61.50%
56.00%
35
40.6
Excellent
Excellent
Medium, faceted
None
Medium blue
8.16*8.19*5.03
$21,700.00

Stone 2
Round
2.06
Ideal
G
SI1
GIA

61.90%
55.00%
35
40.8
Excellent
Excellent
Medium
None
None
8.13*8.16*5.04
$17,800

Stone 3
Round
2.01
Ideal
D
SI1
GIA

61.90%
56.00%
35
40.8
Excellent
Excellent
Thin to medium
None
None
8.13*8.07*5.01
$21,000

Stone 4
Round
2.11
Ideal
H
VS2
GIA

61.50%
57.00%
34.5
40.8
Excellent
Excellent
Medium to slightly thick
None
None
8.23*8.25*5.07
$20,500
 
Date: 5/2/2009 11:04:32 AM
Author: ACN
Please ignore the post above...I messed up the measurements on the diamonds!
Ok no problem!
 
I would prefer, from the numbers given, #2 if eye-clean, else #4, but all are well cut from the numbers.
 
Number 4 gets my vote especially if idealscope images aren't available. 2 and 3 are borderline steep deeps so idealscope or ASET images are essential in order to evaluate these to check for possible leakage, I would not want to entertain either of these without as these can be iffy angle combos.
 
Date: 5/2/2009 11:52:19 AM
Author: Lorelei
Number 4 gets my vote especially if idealscope images aren''t available. 2 and 3 are borderline steep deeps so idealscope or ASET images are essential in order to evaluate these to check for possible leakage, I would not want to entertain either of these without as these can be iffy angle combos.

I will call the dealer this week to see if I can get ahold of these images and will post if they are made available to me. Thanks again for your help.
 
Date: 5/2/2009 12:12:57 PM
Author: ACN

Date: 5/2/2009 11:52:19 AM
Author: Lorelei
Number 4 gets my vote especially if idealscope images aren''t available. 2 and 3 are borderline steep deeps so idealscope or ASET images are essential in order to evaluate these to check for possible leakage, I would not want to entertain either of these without as these can be iffy angle combos.

I will call the dealer this week to see if I can get ahold of these images and will post if they are made available to me. Thanks again for your help.
You are very welcome!
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What would you consider the lowest color of diamond if you are considering a platinum setting?

I stumbled upon this one just now, however, my main concern is the J color.

Stone 5
Round
2.27
Ideal
J
VS2
GIA
61.90%
57.00%
35
40.8
Excellent
Excellent
Medium to slightly thick
None
Faint
8.39*8.44*5.21
$15,000
 
Date: 5/2/2009 2:18:40 PM
Author: ACN
What would you consider the lowest color of diamond if you are considering a platinum setting?

I stumbled upon this one just now, however, my main concern is the J color.

Stone 5
Round
2.27
Ideal
J
VS2
GIA
61.90%
57.00%
35
40.8
Excellent
Excellent
Medium to slightly thick
None
Faint
8.39*8.44*5.21
$15,000
An ASET or Idealscope image is really needed for this combo ACN, a J colour is fine to me even in this size. If you aren't sure then check out some AGS0 from Jareds if there is one nearby in a similar size to the one above, or Hearts on Fire h&a if there is a seller conveniently located. This will give you a good idea of your personal colour preferences.

I would set a J colour of this size in platinum without concern as have others but if you are unsure then checking some out in person as above might be really helpful to you.

Here is an excellent video on diamond colour which you might enjoy, but please bear in mind that it isn't representative of how these colour grades can appear in real life as there are many many variables. Also a computer monitor isn't a reliable method of depicting diamond colour or lack of.

http://vimeo.com/3288695
 
Hey all,

I finally received the IS images for the stones that I am considering. Please ignore the previous posts with the names (Stone 1, 2, ect).

To make things easier for posting, I made a quick website with the 4 stones I am considering. If you could please give me some advice on which ones you think are best (there are 3 total - ignore stone #2 - it sold as I was putting it on hold!), I would greatly appreciate that. (Maybe give me a top 2
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I''d go for 4 first if eyeclean, 3 second.
 
I like the H Vs2.

Is that WF G SI stone eyeclean?
 
Date: 5/6/2009 6:32:19 PM
Author: Gypsy
I like the H Vs2.


Is that WF G SI stone eyeclean?

I''m actually awaiting a reply to this question from them. The other SI1 was definitely eye-clean, however, from both of your comments it looks like that one was in 3rd place already though.
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Maybe if I get some more time tonight, I will attempt to post the pictures here, since I''m not allowed to post links (sorry!).
 
So here are the 3 stones that I have reserved. Once again, please ignore the specs listed above as they don''t correspond to these diamonds. All the stones are 2+ carats.

#1: G - SI1 (eye-clean)

G - IS.JPG
 
#2: H - VS2

H - IS.JPG
 
#3: G - SI1 (waiting for yes/no on eye-clean designation) - From what I can see, has a crystal in the center.

IS - G.jpg
 
The H-VS2 is definitely nice and would be my first choice. The WF G-SI1 #3 is also cut well, and would be good if eye-clean. I''d pass on the #1 G-SI1, it is showing some leakage under the table. It is still a very good stone, just not quite up to the level of the other two.
 
Thanks for the replies. Stone #3 is definitely NOT eye-clean, however I receieved 3 more stones as suggestions, which I will post below. What I would like to know, is if any of the following 3 stones (labeled Stone 4-6), are worth pursing over stone #2 above which is priced ~$20k. The following 3 should be eye-clean quality, ideal cut, with ex pol/sym.
 
Stone 4: H - SI1 - ~$19k

H.1 - IS.jpg
 
Stone 5: H - SI1 - ~$22k

H.2 - IS.jpg
 
Stone 6: F - SI1 - $23k

F - IS.jpg
 
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