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Confederate Monument Debate...what are your thoughts?

I think a museum for the most notable states is a wonderful idea and if not then I think what is required is a shift in how everyone views them maybe new memorial plaques for a few select kept monuments to remind everyone these people did stand on the side of slavery and they stand there not condoning what they did, but let a very few of the most famous statues stand as memorials condemning what they did.
 
I don't think I would even want them in a museum. Like why? What would be the purpose? Are these statues actual masterpieces? Are they relics of America's racism? Why treat them in such a venerable manner?
 
I happened to own a Stone Mountain Memorial half dollar with Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson on the front. It is not an expensive coin, so should I smash it and then melt the coin?...:rolleyes2:.

When is the left gonna stop this PC B.S.!??...:wall:. The good, the bad and the ugly is part of our country's history.

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Dancing Fire said:
What does HRC have anything to do with this topic?...:confused2:
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Aw DF, I know you love being PS's longest standing troll but you should hurry to Charlottesville while you can! Lots of far left people there who would probably appreciate your brand of Simple History. Some of them just got run over by Nazis, so your message will be super well received. Hell, Heather Heyer was friend with one of my regulars, I can put you in touch with her mom and maybe you can mansplain political correctness to her? Bring her a coin! I'm sure your wife would be grateful to have you being out of the house and productive for a few days =)2
 
Elliot86 said:
Aw DF, I know you love being PS's longest standing troll but you should hurry to Charlottesville while you can! Lots of far left people there who would probably appreciate your brand of Simple History. Some of them just got run over by Nazis, so your message will be super well received. Hell, Heather Heyer was friend with one of my regulars, I can put you in touch with her mom and maybe you can mansplain political correctness to her? Bring her a coin! I'm sure your wife would be grateful to have you being out of the house and productive for a few days =)2
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He's Asian his white supremacist/redneck conservative pals would probably attack him. I'm part Asian too btw so I don't say that from a place of hatred, more a sense of irony.
 
arkieb1 said:
He's Asian his white supremacist/redneck conservative pals would probably attack him. I'm part Asian too btw so I don't say that from a place of hatred, more a sense of irony.
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Good point! But what's a little friendly fire between friends with superiority complexes? He can bring them some food stamp abalone as a peace offering.
 
Elliot86 said:
Good point! But what's a little friendly fire between friends with superiority complexes? He can bring them some food stamp abalone as a peace offering.
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LMAO! Girlfriend, you are on a ROLL today!
 
Elliot86 said:
Aw DF, I know you love being PS's longest standing troll but you should hurry to Charlottesville while you can! Lots of far left people there who would probably appreciate your brand of Simple History. Some of them just got run over by Nazis, so your message will be super well received. Hell, Heather Heyer was friend with one of my regulars, I can put you in touch with her mom and maybe you can mansplain political correctness to her? Bring her a coin! I'm sure your wife would be grateful to have you being out of the house and productive for a few days =)2
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I was the first guy to call for hanging the Nazi who ran over Heather Heyer. The horrible civil war is part of the U.S. history which we can't change.
btw; I'll give Heather's mom a coin of U. Grant from the winning side of the Civil War.
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Keep them: the birds need something on which to poop.
 
Elliot86 said:
Good point! But what's a little friendly fire between friends with superiority complexes? He can bring them some food stamp abalone as a peace offering.
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No need for me to do that since Obama been doing it for 8 yrs. The Dems. goal is to keep more Americans in poverty so that they'll receive their votes.
 
@Elliot86 Thank you for always making me smile! There are many days you are my hero! Yesterday was one of them. Thank you!!
 
AdaBeta27 said:
I ain't afraid of no statue(s). Are you?? My thoughts are this is a sad, sad time in the history of the USA. And all of my other thoughts are not very kind to the people who want Confederate monuments removed, because, um, it's >150 years after slavery was abolished, and the vast majority of people living in the USA today are descended from immigrants who arrived well after slavery had ended and thus have no relationship whatsoever to slavery. Feckin-childish-nonsense, is what it is is. Leave the statues stand, prosecute the vandals, and remind whiners and weaklings that this is not Burger King and you don't always get things your way.
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The ignorance of your post is mind boggling.
 
I have been thinking a lot about this and don't know what a good solution is. I do know that destroying them is one step towards editing our history and that is dangerous. Those men NEED to be remembered. Everything they did needs to be remembered.

I also feel like it is important to teach our kids and remind ourselves that just because some people view a person as honorable and worthy of great respect, the truth is always there and we need to learn the truth. Don't just look at that impressive man on a pedestal, look at what he did and what he said.

As I learn the acts about different people in history and then see statues, I am not tempted to think they are great. It actually reminds me that there is bad in the world and we need to actively work to keep it from harming our society.
 
TooPatient said:
I have been thinking a lot about this and don't know what a good solution is. I do know that destroying them is one step towards editing our history and that is dangerous. Those men NEED to be remembered. Everything they did needs to be remembered.

I also feel like it is important to teach our kids and remind ourselves that just because some people view a person as honorable and worthy of great respect, the truth is always there and we need to learn the truth. Don't just look at that impressive man on a pedestal, look at what he did and what he said.

As I learn the acts about different people in history and then see statues, I am not tempted to think they are great. It actually reminds me that there is bad in the world and we need to actively work to keep it from harming our society.
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You don't need friggin' statues to do that; you can remember them in history books and classes -- when people learn and discuss what they did and the consequences of their actions. Statues on their own could communicate the wrong thing, unless you want to stand by that statue all day explaining to everybody what "that impressive man on a pedestal" actually did and said.
 
So what is next?... Remove the sculptures of GW and TJ from Mount Rushmore since they were slave owners?...:rolleyes2:. We learn from history the good , the bad and the ugly.
 
Dancing Fire said:
So what is next?... Remove the sculptures of GW and TJ from Mount Rushmore since they were slave owners?...:roll2:. We learn from history the good , the bad and the ugly.
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Most of us don’t need statues to learn history or learn from history. A few just don’t really learn.

What exactly do the Confederate statues teach you that you couldn’t otherwise have learned, @Dancing Fire ?
 
t-c said:
Most of us don’t need statues to learn history or learn from history. A few just don’t really learn.

What exactly do the Confederate statues teach you that you couldn’t otherwise have learned, @Dancing Fire ?
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What other statues would you like to see taken down? whether you like it or not the Confederate side is an important part of the Civil War history.
 
Dancing Fire said:
What other statues would you like to see taken down? whether you like it or not the Confederate side is an important part of the Civil War history.
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So was Hitler and the Nazis in World War II. You want statues of them put up?

To answer you question: for a start, I would like all Confederate statues put up during the Jim Crow era taken down. Then we follow that with the Confederate statues put up during the Civil Rights era. Because the main reason statues honoring people who fought to keep slavery were put up was to intimidate.

I answered your questions, now answer mine — the ones on this and my previous post.
 
I was born, raised, and still live in The South. Confederate flags are still commonplace. My grandparents have a poster of "Heroes of the Confederacy" hanging in one of their spare bedrooms, and they're not even "extremists". It's just generally accepted "knowledge" that Confederate soldiers were honorable men defending their homeland (and blah, blah, blah). As you can imagine, holidays can be...special. I grew up with Confederate statues commonplace. You know when I first saw a statue dedicated to the liberation of American slaves? Last year. In Senegal. We live in the DC area now, and I have had to listen to my family poo-poo The National Museum of African American History (a great museum, btw)... "Why do they need *that*?!" Etc... Those types of comments. They just can't process that there's anything wrong with the sanitized and white-washed history that they grew up learning in the 30s-70s or that there's any other way to SEE it. It drives me up the wall! I agree that statues erected during Jim Crow/Civil Right's Era should come down and would like to see more statues honoring the slaves and the liberators, if we're going to have statues!
 
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