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Hello PS''ers..

Would anyone care to comment on the quality of this diamond, especially the Idealscope image?

GIA specs:
Size: 1.05ct
Color: E
Clarity: VS2
Cut: Excellent
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Excellent
Fluoro: None

Dimensions according to GIA:
6.55 x 6.58 x 4.05

HCA score: 1.8
Light Return: Excellent
Fire: Very Good
Scintillation: Very Good
Spread: Very Good

I think, according to the ideal scope reference, that this diamond is ''very good'' for light return, and only slightly ''shallow'' for proportions. I would love to hear what the PS experts have to say!

Thanks in advance,
Alex

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Here are the flaws and angles according to the GIA report...

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The stone is tilted in the image.
Id rate it VG to borderline EX if it was strait in the IS image.
I looks a lot like one of those diamonds with a few pavilion mains well under 41 and a few well over.
While not a top stone it is worth considering if the price is right.
 
Thanks strmrdr!
It''s a $8,670 stone.

Here is the sarin report.. really appreciate your comments :)

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actually that's technically an ogi scan which is slightly different numbers than the sarin.
Notice the pavilion average is .2 off the gia numbers.

Anyway the point stands that the average is fine but whats in the average and the spread in the average kicks down the IS image.
Cut tight that average can indicate a solid excellent stone in the IS, cut a bit lose and it drops down to VG on the IS and my opinion of it.
The IS tells the story.
 
Ah yes, the numbers are slightly different from the GIA report (which uses a Sarin machine I''m guessing?)

The OGI numbers also give me a HCA score of <2 (1.3). But I guess it''s the variance which is the issue with this stone?

Now I just have to determine if this is a good value at that price...

Thanks for your input!
 
Yes, the idealscope image on that one looks a lot better, but I was hoping to keep in a ''colorless'' range and stay in the VS range.

Excellent price for a really perfectly cut (larger) diamond though... I agree.

I knew asking for advice would make me second guess this selection! I''ve already gone through so many ''choices'' I was hoping this would be my final :)

I''m happy with a VG on the Idealscope that perhaps borders Excellent...
 
ok if you want to stick to e/vs or better then it is likely your best bet in that price range right now.
The better cut ones are around $1000 more.
 
alright, thanks strmrdr,

I have another question:
The idealscope for that diamond you posted is noticeably better than this diamond. But not having seen many other idealscope images, I don''t know if this is a ''poor'' performing diamond for a GIA-Excellent (cut/polish/symmetry) or if this is somewhere in the middle range for this GIA class?
 
Date: 7/17/2008 8:36:59 PM
Author: alu
alright, thanks strmrdr,


I have another question:

The idealscope for that diamond you posted is noticeably better than this diamond. But not having seen many other idealscope images, I don''t know if this is a ''poor'' performing diamond for a GIA-Excellent (cut/polish/symmetry) or if this is somewhere in the middle range for this GIA class?
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towards the upper end of GIA EX
But gia EX is just based on averages which is why stones are cut this way to get good averages.
 
Take the ACA!!!! It''s a much nicer stone and larger too! It will face up very white and be a better performer. I would take a top cut over a smaller whiter stone with a lesser cut anyday!!

If it''s eyeclean, why pay for VS2 when you can''t see the difference?
 
Hi honey22.. thanks for your response. I was hoping to keep in the DEF range.

Maybe I should consider a smaller stone with a better cut. Not finding anything for this price in the DEF color range with a better cut.

You guys are slowly making me not want this diamond :) I appreciate all the info...
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Here''s another comparison... maybe I don''t know how to look at it, but I see it as having really high light return. I can see the asymmetry... and now I wonder if this photo is not taken with the diamond perfectly straight.

Anyways.. all comments welcome I really appreciate it! (would be nice if someone thought this was a good value!!)

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6.55 x 6.58 vs. 7.11 x 7.15 ACA for the same price, no contest. That is a noticeable visual difference. The only inclusions that count are the ones you can see.
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Ah so I see the consensus is that size and superior cut outweigh the color and clarity :)
 
Date: 7/18/2008 6:25:02 AM
Author: alu
Ah so I see the consensus is that size and superior cut outweigh the color and clarity :)
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Pretty much!
 
Date: 7/18/2008 6:25:02 AM
Author: alu
Ah so I see the consensus is that size and superior cut outweigh the color and clarity :)
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Well color is pretty subjective, so only you can decide what is OK for you. Clarity is another thing. Why pay a premium for a higher clarity on paper if they both look identical to the eye?
 
Is this diamond for you or are you giving it to your girlfriend? (I can't tell!) Just curious what she would like if you're not getting it for yourself.

Most women would prefer a bigger, still white, super duper well cut sparkly diamond to a smaller, not as well cut or sparkly D, E or F stone. I know I sure would! So try to keep in mind what her preferences are, too!

Now, if she told you she wants a D, E or F VS2 and above, disregard my comments! And also disregard my comments if the diamond is for you!
 
Date: 7/17/2008 11:27:54 PM
Author: purrfectpear
6.55 x 6.58 vs. 7.11 x 7.15 ACA for the same price, no contest. That is a noticeable visual difference. The only inclusions that count are the ones you can see.
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and the ACA is 1337 as well :) sorry couldn''t resist :P
 
Date: 7/18/2008 8:44:59 AM
Author: thing2of2
Is this diamond for you or are you giving it to your girlfriend? (I can''t tell!) Just curious what she would like if you''re not getting it for yourself.
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Hi thing2of, it''s for an engagement ring. We''ve talked about diamonds before and both agreed it would be nice to get a DEF color, VS2 stone. I just set that as my bar when looking. Regarding size, 0.91 is big enough, I just thought this 1.05 was a decent value and was ''neat'' to surpass the 1.00ct mark :)

How did we come up with DEF/VS2? Can''t really remember to be honest. VS2 would guarantee very good clarity and we wouldn''t have to worry about the subjective ''eye cleanliness'' of the diamond - or were we wrong? For the color.. I just want it as white as possible.

Now you guys *really* seem to push for the true H&A cut. I''m surprised! I thought the idealscope image for this diamond was darn close, guess I was wrong!! I honestly was pleased when I saw it.. looked like really good light return...


Thanks guys, I really appreciate the comments, even though noone is telling me what I wanted to hear :)

J2K thanks for those whiteflash diamonds you posted. Wow, once I relax the VS2->SI1 restriction, it really opens up a lot of cheaper diamonds!

Still thinking I guess...
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Date: 7/18/2008 11:24:47 AM
Author: alu

Date: 7/18/2008 8:44:59 AM
Author: thing2of2
Is this diamond for you or are you giving it to your girlfriend? (I can''t tell!) Just curious what she would like if you''re not getting it for yourself.
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Hi thing2of, it''s for an engagement ring. We''ve talked about diamonds before and both agreed it would be nice to get a DEF color, VS2 stone. I just set that as my bar when looking. Regarding size, 0.91 is big enough, I just thought this 1.05 was a decent value and was ''neat'' to surpass the 1.00ct mark :)

How did we come up with DEF/VS2? Can''t really remember to be honest. VS2 would guarantee very good clarity and we wouldn''t have to worry about the subjective ''eye cleanliness'' of the diamond - or were we wrong? For the color.. I just want it as white as possible.

Now you guys *really* seem to push for the true H&A cut. I''m surprised! I thought the idealscope image for this diamond was darn close, guess I was wrong!! I honestly was pleased when I saw it.. looked like really good light return...


Thanks guys, I really appreciate the comments, even though noone is telling me what I wanted to hear :)

J2K thanks for those whiteflash diamonds you posted. Wow, once I relax the VS2->SI1 restriction, it really opens up a lot of cheaper diamonds!

Still thinking I guess...
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The thing is, the diamond you posted is certainly no slouch when it comes to looking good, it could still be a gorgeous stone. It depends on what you value more - a true superideal with the pedigree of the ACA, or the other which is still a very well cut diamond with the higher colour.
 
Thanks Lorelei!
 
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