Close to buying... last opinions please!

[antonia]

I have posted this stone previously but I just saw the GIA Certificate mentions the girdle has thin to medium faceting... is that an issue?

1.186 ct
E colour
SI1 clarity
Diameter 6.79 - 6.83
Total depth 61.5% (4.19mm)
Crown angle 35.5 (Height 15.5%, 1.06mm)
Pavil angle 40.6 (Depth 43.0%)
Table Ave Size 57%
Culet 0.8% very small
Girdle 1.3% medium (min/max 0.7% thin - 2.4% sl. thick) thin to med faceted
Star/Upper 52.0%:48.0%

ANY ADVICE ON THESE SPECS NAMELY GIRDLE?

My Jeweller said:
Proper brilliance for Exc/Exc cut - Note: My supplier
has confirmed that the diamond cannot get an Exc/Exc grading if there is any light escaping from the girdle affecting it''s brilliance. Escaping light from girdle will disqualify Exc/Exc cut outcome. Hearts and Arrows additional to it is a bonus. H & A is confirmed OK verbally but IGI must still confirm"

Is this advice correct as the supplier will not supply an Idealscope image!!

 

[Mara]

Hahah that's funny.




Your girdle is fine.




But the EX/EX comment? Laughable. EX EX has really nothing to do with the light escaping, hilarious. It's rather that the POLISH on the stone is EX and the SYMMETRY is EX. Yes you have a better chance for a very well cut stone with EX EX than with G G...but it doesn't have to do with light return when they GRADE the stone. Sheesh.




As for IGI confirming H&A? SCARY! There is no definitive last word on H&A. IGI can inscribe that stone with Hearts and Arrows on the girdle and it may not be true H&A. So you would need to see the patterns yourself or with an independent appraiser's opinion to really know for sure. I personally would not trust someone like IGI to confirm H&A.




God...sometimes when I hear this stuff, I am so glad I am not buying offline EVER AGAIN and that I'm educated. Frightening.




Have you seen this stone? I don't recall. Can't you get an idealscope yourself and look at it?




Bottom line. Stone's #'s look good. H&A is a bonus. Girdle is fine. BUY IT.

 

[antonia]

Thanks for the advice. I tell you I would be lost without this forum!

I have requested he send the stone to DCLA when it gets to Sydney rather than send it to IGI, they don't seem to have such a great reputation i.e. cheap and fast....

THANKS EVERYONE
XOXOOXOXOXOXOXO

 

[pqcollectibles]

Yeah, inscribing the girdle with H&A prior to submission for grading is a marketing ploy. Lots of well cut diamonds display the patterns to some extent and the Grading Labs do not evaluate for the H&A patterns. The Grading Labs will not the girdle inscription in the Comments and uneducated consumers get taken for a ride by unscrupulous wholesalers and Vendors.

 

[antonia]

I haven't seen the stone. It is im Belgium but they won't send me an Idealscope image. This is what my jeweller wrote:

QUOTE:
Using the ideal scope is a way of checking the Cut, however the labs know this. The Excellent Cut process involves certain efficient and accredited, Accurate tests which exceeds the domestic ideal scope and any information you get from the internet or books. Any diamond that doesn't Pass The ideal scope, as shown in the diagrams attatched and on Gary Holloways website couldn't be a true graded Excellent cut. The labs confirmation of full excellent cut is confirming the stone as being such superior cut and it means that it has to reflect light as perfect as a diamond possibly can. The ideal scope is good to protect consumers in situations where the diamond isn't certified and / or the certificate and source is suspicious.
END QUOTE

What do you think of those comments?

 

[strmrdr]

I hope you have a shovel cause that vendor is laying it down deep.
Tell him your BS guage is in the red zone! :{

 

[antonia]

Yeah, he does crap on I must stay, you should hear him on the phone, I need therapy every time! But I think he is just uneducated and has the best intensions, or am I being naive? He seems to beleive every word his supplier tells him in Belgium as they have a long-term relationship based on trust... yeah right... he is just re-quoting his supplier.

Question:

The specs are above.
It rates Ex/Ex sym/polish on the GIA Certificate.
He will send it to IGI for an Excellent Cut Report.
Am I relatively safe to buy this stone????

 

[Mara]

EX/EX on the cert means nothing but....what it says. That there is EX symmetry and EX polish. Where does that say cut? Oh that's right! It doesn't.




I don't know what 'full excellent cut' is but if you know this guy is throwing you a line or 100, WHY buy from him?




Nevermind, I don't care. The diamond's specs look fine. I think you would be fine to buy it and have it perform well regardless of the sellers bullshit, and personally I don't think of IGI as that reputable of a company anyway compared to some of the others, so I don't know that an IGI cert saying it's excellent cut makes a whit of difference.




But it's your purchase. Good luck!

 

[Magnum]

From what you are sharing with us, I would not feel comfortable dealing with this person or his supplier. Either your vendor is ignorant and his supplier is lying to both of you, OR your vendor is the one lying. I looked back at a few of your other posts and in one thread you said that the supplier didn't even know what an idealscope is and in this thread, he is telling you all this stuff about how the labs know about the idealscope, but that they have better tests to grade cut, etc. He is feeding you so much misinformation that who knows what to believe. At this point, I would even question whether or not the Sarin information he gave you was accurate, or was for the stone you're getting. It makes me furious when someone tries to take advantage of someone they think they can pull a fast one over. I know you said you entered into a contract with this person, but I would not accept a stone that doesn't live up to your expectations just because you're locked into this agreement. From what I can remember, there is a time limit for him to find you a stone. If he can't meet your expectations, you might just have to wait him out till your contract expires. All that being said, the numbers for the stone he did give you suggest the potential for a very beautiful stone. However, I hope you have at least a ten day, preferably 30 day, evaluation period where you can return the stone if you don't like it and in that time have the stone evaluated by a trusted INDEPENDENT appraiser. I'm sorry if my tone is harsh, because I really hope you end up very happy with the stone you eventually get, I just get very frustrated when I hear all the things this person is telling you. I hope for only the best for you in your search.

 

[Stephan]

Sorry Mara, IGI Antwerp EX/EX means
1) EX polish-symmetry +
2) EX proportions.
For such diamonds, IGI Antwerp also can give a H&A certification.

 

[Magnum]

Stephan,
Thanks for the info. I personally didn't know very much about IGI Antwerp and their diamond grading. I'm sure what you're saying is true. But I thought Antonia said her vendor said it was a graded a GIA excellent cut, and that it hadn't been sent to IGI yet. Hopefully Antonia can confirm or correct this, but I was under the impression that her vendor said that the stone would not leak any light because it was graded EX/EX by the GIA, which to me suggests EX symmetry and polish, which to the best of my knowledge has very little, if any, effect on light leakage.