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yoshu

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Hi,
I''m considering 2 stones at present and it scores excellent in the HCA analysis. I know that''s not everything and I''d like to ask your opinions on these two. Details are as follows:

(1)
Round Brilliant
Measurements: 4.78 - 4.81 x 2.86 mm

Carat Weight: 0.40 carat
Color Grade: G
Clarity Grade: VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 59.6%
Table: 60%
Crown Angle: 33.0°
Crown Height: 13.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star length: 45%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics:
Feather

(2)
Round Brilliant
Measurements: 4.74 - 4.76 x 2.94 mm

Carat Weight: 0.40 carat
Color Grade: F
Clarity Grade: VS2
Cut Grade: Excellent
Proportions:
Depth: 61.9%
Table: 57%
Crown Angle: 34.5°
Crown Height: 15.0%
Pavilion Angle: 41.0°
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star length: 45%
Lower Half: 80%
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted (3.5%)
Culet: None
Finish:
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None
Clarity Characteristics:
Cloud


Thanks very much!!
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Hi Yoshu

Both show potential, can you get Idealscope images if these are sold online please? I would lean more towards the second diamond personally but IS images will tell us more if you can get them.
 
I'm buying them from UK (where we both live!) at 77diamonds. I popped into the studio to discuss stones, but they were VERY reluctant to give me more than 5 GIA numbers (the only list has them as stock #'s). The diamonds are not in the UK at the moment so can't see them in person. No idealscope...the representative has only "heard of" idealscopes..........

Just to give you an idea, with platinum settings, the first stone is £860 and the second one is £950

What do you think so far??

Thanks again
 
personal preference #2 too.
 
Date: 10/7/2009 12:12:04 PM
Author: yoshu
I''m buying them from UK (where we both live!) at 77diamonds. I popped into the studio to discuss stones, but they were VERY reluctant to give me more than 5 GIA numbers (the only list has them as stock #''s). The diamonds are not in the UK at the moment so can''t see them in person. No idealscope...the representative has only ''heard of'' idealscopes..........

Just to give you an idea, with platinum settings, the first stone is £860 and the second one is £950

What do you think so far??

Thanks again
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I would definitely prefer the second, but an Idealscope image would be so useful to check this diamond out but it sounds as if that isn''t going to happen. I haven''t heard of this vendor. As you are in the UK I would definitely suggest you contact Dr. Indira Marchant at -

www.bestdiamonds.co.uk she occasionally posts here and is located in the Royal Exchange London. She can work remotely with clients if London is too far for you to travel.
 
I live in london, so going to the royal exchange is no problem. However, what are the prices like for Dr Marchant?? It''s a pretty commonly dropped name on this forum so wondering if that comes with a premium.

So using my previous rough prices of 850-950... will it be in this region? Just an idea will be fine!
 
Just check with her?
 
I will, but in terms of others'' experience??
 
Date: 10/7/2009 7:09:00 PM
Author: yoshu
I live in london, so going to the royal exchange is no problem. However, what are the prices like for Dr Marchant?? It's a pretty commonly dropped name on this forum so wondering if that comes with a premium.

So using my previous rough prices of 850-950... will it be in this region? Just an idea will be fine!
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Indira is competitively priced compared to others, she is a super lady - give her a call! She sells Infinity h&a which being a branded cut might carry a premium but she might also be able to access non branded diamonds, definitely worth asking her anyway. I know someone here did purchase from her and was fine with the price of what they bought as far as I am aware.
 
Hi, I just called her and she said that she can''t really help me. She specialises in diamonds larger than the one I had in mind (~ 0.50). She''s only got 1.7ct and above at the moment so she said.

So any other leads that are recommended here in the UK please??

Thanks
 
Date: 10/9/2009 7:47:18 AM
Author: yoshu
Hi, I just called her and she said that she can''t really help me. She specialises in diamonds larger than the one I had in mind (~ 0.50). She''s only got 1.7ct and above at the moment so she said.

So any other leads that are recommended here in the UK please??

Thanks
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Oh thats a shame but at least we know. I am also in the UK and can''t really think of anywhere else I would recommend....Would you consider buying online from the US? I believe the extra payable is 15% VAT and 2.5% import duty but it can still work out cheaper than buying from a jeweller here in some cases.

If you are open to buying online from the US, maybe we could find some diamonds according to your requirements which might suit you?
 
OK, well I don't mind importing something from the US, but I have to get it set here.

Well before we go down this route, can I ask about my shortlisted 2 diamonds in the opening post. I want them to sparkle and have brilliance, and I don't mind microscopic differences... So is it even likely that these seemingly excellent diamonds could have mediocre ASET/Idealscope results?? If there's minimal differences I dont mind going for it.

They said their GIA diamonds were from all over the world: states, india, europe. Are gia diamonds really imported from all over the place?

Thanks
 
Date: 10/10/2009 12:48:35 PM
Author: yoshu
OK, well I don''t mind importing something from the US, but I have to get it set here.

Well before we go down this route, can I ask about my shortlisted 2 diamonds in the opening post. I want them to sparkle and have brilliance, and I don''t mind microscopic differences... So is it even likely that these seemingly excellent diamonds could have mediocre ASET/Idealscope results?? If there''s minimal differences I dont mind going for it.

They said their GIA diamonds were from all over the world: states, india, europe. Are gia diamonds really imported from all over the place?

Thanks
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Both diamonds could be fine but without images I am only guessing, can you view them in person? I would still lean towards the second one but I can''t tell you much without more info unfortunately. Yes there are various places diamonds can come from .
 
Mmmm I understand. But what I''m basically considering is that if a diamond of these characteristics are most likely going to have good ASET images and won''t be visually dull, then I might as well go for it and save the hassle of importing one from the states and waiting for it to arrive etc.

In any case, is there a fast deliverer from the US for the same price range I''m going for??
0.40ct F/G VS2 round cut for less than £600 ($960)

Thanks again
 
Date: 10/10/2009 6:52:58 PM
Author: yoshu
Mmmm I understand. But what I''m basically considering is that if a diamond of these characteristics are most likely going to have good ASET images and won''t be visually dull, then I might as well go for it and save the hassle of importing one from the states and waiting for it to arrive etc.

In any case, is there a fast deliverer from the US for the same price range I''m going for??
0.40ct F/G VS2 round cut for less than £600 ($960)

Thanks again
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That includes a setting right? I think you will not do better than that at most of the usual online vendors.

I am going to go out on a limb
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and say that since both diamonds are GIA Excellent cuts, and given your budget and geographic constraints, then I would say to ask to have the second one called in (I like the smaller table personally) and then see if you like it is lots of lighting and go for it. Yes, you could search around and find a diamond that is more perfect by the numbers, but at that size I think some of the nuances of the different angles will not be as apparent unless you are a real diamond cut nut or want a "mind clan" stone wrt cut quality.
 
That price is not with a setting!! Platinum band (classic look) is at £345 extra!!

Also, I have to pay half the stone's price to get the diamond ordered... If someone can point me in the direction of a better deal/diamond in the US, I'm happy to get it sent here if it's similarly priced.

What do you think, given that?
 
UPDATE: I'm looking at whiteflash's expert diamonds. Came across 2 potential ones:

(1) .417ct F SI1
Details: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/certificates/ci_AGS-10222703.jpg
Idealscope: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/IdealScope/IS_AGS-10222703.jpg
ASET: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/ASET/AST_AGS-10222703.jpg

The main thing holding me back on this one is that it's an SI1 with ONE feather (no other mapped out inclusions). Does that mean its a large obvious feather that breaks onto the surface?

(2) .418ct H VS2
Details: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/certificates/ci_AGS-10222803.jpg
Idealscope: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/IdealScope/IS_AGS-10222803.jpg
ASET: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/ASET/AST_AGS-10222803.jpg

Is it better to get a SI1 diamond or a H color diamond??

Thanks!
 
Date: 10/11/2009 9:09:47 AM
Author: yoshu
UPDATE: I'm looking at whiteflash's expert diamonds. Came across 2 potential ones:

(1) .417ct F SI1
Details: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/certificates/ci_AGS-10222703.jpg
Idealscope: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/IdealScope/IS_AGS-10222703.jpg
ASET: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/ASET/AST_AGS-10222703.jpg

The main thing holding me back on this one is that it's an SI1 with ONE feather (no other mapped out inclusions). Does that mean its a large obvious feather that breaks onto the surface?

(2) .418ct H VS2
Details: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/certificates/ci_AGS-10222803.jpg
Idealscope: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/IdealScope/IS_AGS-10222803.jpg
ASET: http://www.whiteflash.com/pimg/ASET/AST_AGS-10222803.jpg

Is it better to get a SI1 diamond or a H color diamond??

Thanks!
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I will just fix the links...

The first looks great, ask WF if it is eyeclean and if the feather is an issue ( probably won't be but best to check).

The second is showing some leakage in the images probably due to the borderline steep deep angles, therefore the first would be my choice being SI1 clarity and well cut if the stone is eyeclean and the feather deemed ok, rather than the second H which is showing a bit of leakage.
 
Date: 10/11/2009 9:25:45 AM
Author: yoshu
haha thanks! Hope you don't mind me adding one more:

0.38ct G VS1
AGS CERT
Idealscope
ASET
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Not at all, I will take a look for you. It looks like a lovely diamond, has the AGS Gold diamond quality report similar to the F SI1 diamond above ( which has the old style DQR instead of the new Gold report) rather than AGS0 grade with the diamond quality document ( the premier AGS report). Has excellent for polish instead of Ideal but you wouldn't notice any visual difference, it could be a great choice.

I would choose either the G VS1 or the F SI1 if eyeclean, VS1 should be completely eyeclean in that size.
 
That's great info, much appreciated!

I was trying to call Whiteflash, but no-one picking up over in the states. Was going to ask them about delivery.

Their intl del is $50 + 1% of diamond cost. However, when I place a diamond into my cart, it says that it's "NOT for international delivery"... I click on this and it doesn't do anything... Wonder if they don't ship single stones out??
 
Date: 10/11/2009 11:52:25 AM
Author: yoshu
That's great info, much appreciated!

I was trying to call Whiteflash, but no-one picking up over in the states. Was going to ask them about delivery.

Their intl del is $50 + 1% of diamond cost. However, when I place a diamond into my cart, it says that it's 'NOT for international delivery'... I click on this and it doesn't do anything... Wonder if they don't ship single stones out??
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You are most welcome! You would probably need to speak to someone regarding the order but I don't think there will be an issue with international shipping, many of us have done it before without a problem. I believe WF are closed on weekends, what I would do if it isn't accepting the order, drop them an email requesting the diamond be put on hold and call them as soon as you can tomorrow, that will be afternoon UK time to call Houston Texas.
 
Good to hear!

In terms of customs and charges, am I right to say that the total extra costs will be the VAT at 15% and then the import customs of 2.5% and that''s it??

So for a $500 stone, it''s (500 x 1.175) + delivery??

Also, it''s sent via fedex, so will I have to pay customs on the doorstep or at a fedex office? I''m worried about what will happen if I miss the parcel delivery in the morning!!!
 
Date: 10/11/2009 12:11:07 PM
Author: yoshu
Good to hear!

In terms of customs and charges, am I right to say that the total extra costs will be the VAT at 15% and then the import customs of 2.5% and that''s it??

So for a $500 stone, it''s (500 x 1.175) + delivery??

Also, it''s sent via fedex, so will I have to pay customs on the doorstep or at a fedex office? I''m worried about what will happen if I miss the parcel delivery in the morning!!!
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I believe that is right yes. Also I have heard FedEx can contact you by phone as soon as the package hits the UK, you can pay the duties with your CC then they will release it for delivery, but WF will be able to tell you the exact procedure. It is possible you might have to collect from your nearest FedEx office and pay there or pay on delivery but I am not entirely sure.
 
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