channel set cross being curvy instead of straight line normal

[mrssalvo]

Date: 2/28/2008 10:08:02 PM
Author:whotheyare
is it normal for a channel set cross the channel to be a little curvy instead of perfectly straight? when inspecting close up u can clearly see curves in the channel i guess this to make the diamonds secure but is it normal? like it is not like something that can only be seen with a microscope, it can clearly be seen to the naked eye within 4 inches of the piece, (from afar u probably cant see the curvyness looks relatively straight)

back to your original question...for 10K i would want a pretty darn near close to PERFECT piece. I don''t know how many carats worth of diamonds are there but I''d want the workmanship to be exceptional regardless. I''m curious though, you''ve had the piece for quite a while now, can you even have them remake or get a refund at this point? Honestly, it seems like it''s a little late to be trying to get it fixed at least without you having to pay for it

 

[strmrdr]

ok so he doesn't think he can fix it.
It looks like a fairly easy fix just true the channel lip and cut it back a bit.
If he cant handle it the only option is too have someone else do it or live with it or get a refund and have someone else make it.
I'm not sure what your looking for from us here.....but that's the only answer I have for you.....

 

[whotheyare]

yeah i was just wondering if the wavy channel can be fixed (straightened) so more diamond is showing thats basically what im asking, the original jeweler said that new seats had to be cut thats why more gold was pushed over but he said there seems to be enough gold overlap where it can be cut and straightened but im worried about the seats and the diamonds coming loose since he said some diamonds are being held by gold

 

[whotheyare]

hey klaus about how much would it cost to straighten the channel/show more diamond? would i lose many grams of gold due to it?

 

[arjunajane]

Whotheyare,you''ve mentioned alot of times how the jeweller insisted that different size seats needed to be cut for diamonds that according to you are supposed to be all the same size?
Just a question, are you sure you can even trust this guy? seems to me that abit of shoddy work went on, whats to say they used the correct stones or not?
Also, you mentioned that it appraised for 5k, but you paid 10k for it. Sorry, but doesn''t this put up any kinda redflag about the quality here?

 

[whotheyare]

hi, no you are probably confusing this piece with another diamond cross i posted about in the past, this appraised for little more than what i paid and yes the seats had to be individually cut but thats because the wax we ordered didnt fit the current diamond size mellee we had, bottom line will it still be possible to straighten the channel lines and show more diamond even though the seats for the diamonds were individually made? and if so how much would it cost? klaus any opinion?

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 3/7/2008 3:07:46 AM
Author: whotheyare
hi, no you are probably confusing this piece with another diamond cross i posted about in the past, this appraised for little more than what i paid and yes the seats had to be individually cut but thats because the wax we ordered didnt fit the current diamond size mellee we had, bottom line will it still be possible to straighten the channel lines and show more diamond even though the seats for the diamonds were individually made? and if so how much would it cost? klaus any opinion?

Oh ok, my apologies.
I''m no benchworker, but reading back over this thread it seems the answer is yes?
May I ask you, what does ur jeweller say in defense to you being un happy with the cross in a number of ways?

 

[whotheyare]

well i was told yesterday that to straighten the channel and show more diamond that every single diamond would need to be reset and that would be very expensive, is this true? i thought it could be straightened easier as said before in this post since the seats were custom made

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/8/2008 10:00:20 PM
Author: whotheyare
well i was told yesterday that to straighten the channel and show more diamond that every single diamond would need to be reset and that would be very expensive, is this true? i thought it could be straightened easier as said before in this post since the seats were custom made

BS

 

[arjunajane]

I''ve said it before whotheyare, I''m pretty sure you''re being taken for a ride by this jeweller. You''ve been given some detailed advice by real professionals here and others that know what they''re talking about such as strm.
Either this guy doesn''t have a clue what he''s doing or he''s just trying to rip you.
have you told him what you''ve learnt from the pro''s here?

 

[strmrdr]

Here is the nail in the idiots coffin who made those remarks and made this piece.
Look at point B what do you see? yep yep a larger diamond too seal the channels!
Look at point A see how the edge of the gold is pressed down into the stones???
NO SEATS WERE CUT!
The channel was cut then the diamonds were slid in and the sides of the channel pressed down onto the stone!!!

If you look at point C you can see how far back into the gold the edge of the diamond is.

To fix this the channel tops would be cut back then repressed onto the top of the diamond!

I repeat this piece never had seats cut other than the center diamond.. a + shaped channel was badly cut then the diamonds slid in from the center!!!!!
Then the gold was pressed down against the diamonds!!!

 

[arjunajane]

Thankyou Strm for illustrating what I don't know how to explain.
If I were the OP I would be VERY disappointed for 10grand?

ETA: whotheyare, were these all the diamonds that you were told were chipped aswell? or was that your *other cross*?

 

[strmrdr]

circled below is absolute proof that I am correct....

 

[whotheyare]

hi thank you for helping, yes he said some seats werent cut hence the gold being pushed over, the 8 diamond that it said chipped on appraisal it didnt state which diamonds were chipped so i dont know what diamonds were actually chipped, how do you know which diamonds were chipped? My main concern was just if this mistake could be fixed or the channel could look better, you think this channel can be straightened and more diamond showing without all the stones being unset? thanks i appreciate opinion

 

[Kaleigh]

Are you willing to take it to another benchman at this point, and spending the money to get it fixed properly? Honestly that''s what I would do. Your jeweler did shoddy work, and probably doesn''t have the skills needed to fix this. JMHO. I have stated this previously.

 

[whotheyare]

well yes if its not too expensive thats why i asked if all the diamonds would have to be unset and reset because i know jewelers here that would do it 20 dollars per diamond so obviously that would get expensive, but if this channel can be fixed relatively cheaply then i would consider it

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 3/9/2008 12:14:59 AM
Author: whotheyare
well yes if its not too expensive thats why i asked if all the diamonds would have to be unset and reset because i know jewelers here that would do it 20 dollars per diamond so obviously that would get expensive, but if this channel can be fixed relatively cheaply then i would consider it

I''m sure strm and others have already answered your question.
just read back a couple posts

 

[arjunajane]

Date: 3/9/2008 12:06:43 AM
Author: whotheyare
hi thank you for helping, yes he said some seats werent cut hence the gold being pushed over, the 8 diamond that it said chipped on appraisal it didnt state which diamonds were chipped so i dont know what diamonds were actually chipped, how do you know which diamonds were chipped? My main concern was just if this mistake could be fixed or the channel could look better, you think this channel can be straightened and more diamond showing without all the stones being unset? thanks i appreciate opinion

The reason I asked you about the chipped diamonds is because between the dodgy setting of the cross, the BS lines he has fed you about fixing it, and the fact that he was also careless enough to chip EIGHT diamonds...well, lets just say if I were you I wouldn''t be bothering to post on here asking questions. I would be dumping that thing back on the jewellers desk and asking for my ten g''s back matey.
If you are at all concerned about getting decent quality, get your money back and start again this time with a reputable benchman.!
just mho.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 3/9/2008 12:14:59 AM
Author: whotheyare
well yes if its not too expensive thats why i asked if all the diamonds would have to be unset and reset because i know jewelers here that would do it 20 dollars per diamond so obviously that would get expensive, but if this channel can be fixed relatively cheaply then i would consider it

I said....

"To fix this the channel tops would be cut back then repressed onto the top of the diamonds!"

At the same time the diamonds could be slipped out and the chipped ones replaced this whole job is a JR level Benchman make busy work too fix this.

 

[whotheyare]

hi all first off want to thank everyone for their opinions, i talked with the jeweler today and he said the benchworker didnt want to mess with it anymore given the seat problem that was mentioned here above, basically in the end i feel he did me wrong in the craftsmanship area but i thank everyone here who let me know of the problem.

Since his benchworker did this to me i want to know what other options i have here, you guys seem to know some good quality people maybe if you can give me an idea of how i can proceed here in getting this channel fixed or if its even possible given the way the setting is? I asked in town but i am in canada and quality jewelry is hard to find here in my part of town so maybe if someone knows some quality place in canada to get this fixed? Also you think it maybe a good idea just to get certain few diamonds reset in the areas where i see the most waviness /most diamond covered up and just get certain diamonds reset and they would fix the waviness in that area you think that would work? thanks guys, obviously this guy didnt fully committ to me in the craftsmanship and now i must try to salvage as much quality as i can while not spending too much extra, thanks guys let me know what you all think is a good option/suggestion of a quality worker to fix this

 

[strmrdr]

Did you ask for your money back?

What part of Canada?

 

[whotheyare]

no no refund because he say he basically broke even and it was a custom piece made from scratch, the diamonds are vs/vvs (i still need to find out which stones are chipped which the appraisor said but i dont see any) but basically if i can get the craftsmanship to a proper standard ill be happy with it,

if you can recommend any jewelers in canada who can do this type of work relatively cheaply it would be appreciated thanks if its even possible i dont know if the channel can be fixed even though some say it can

 

[arjunajane]

"he broke even" = lie.
ask again for money back I say
sorry don''t live in states, can''t help with canada

 

[whotheyare]

i dont know if he broke even but i know we spent over 3 months on it so if he did make profit it wouldnt be much my main concern is just fixing the channel setting and i need to research where i can get that done and if it can be done in this situation