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Headshrinx

Headshrinx

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Ok, here is the situation. I''ve been lurking here for what seems to be ages trying to educate myself on Asscher cuts specifically. I have a budget of $8000.00 to find a beautiful Asscher (can be streched a bit...shhh). I''ve been searching on GoodolGold, James Allen and ERD looking for the ideal stone. As far as tastes are concerned, cut, eye clean and light performance are everything to me but to my soon to be fiance'', well let''s just say she wants something in the 1.5 carat range and is less concerned with the other aspects. I really don''t think she understands the qualities of a good stone outshine size (literally). I would ultimately love to have that "kickin" rating I keep reading about =).
So my problem is finding a beautiful stone that has the qualities I''m looking for but close to the size she wants. I value all of your opinions greatly and really need help. Thankyou for all your help.
 
What''s the total budget with setting? What''s your maximum?
 
Finding kicken asschers is a challenge and particularly in the 1.5 ct size right now.
You need too work directly with a vendor as they are not even making the lists before being snatched up on the best goods right now in that weight range.
Patients is going too be a strong virtue in this hunt.
1.5ct H/VS well cut is in the 9k range and hard too find.
 
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Storm and Gypsy,
Could you suggest a couple (or few) informative threads to review that would be helpful to those of us interested in learning about asschers for a future purchase? I can think of some key threads for cushions, but I haven't the gumption to go through the whole sleep deprivation process again.

Many thanks,
Pix

Oh and Headshrinx,
Jon at GOG has the best visual aides around which is so helpful for long distance purchases, and he also has a penchant for outstanding fancy shapes. I would give him a call and save yourself the agony of a manual search.
 
Thankyou for your relpies. Gypsy, I''m looking in the 10-12k range with setting. All she wants is simple plat. band with maybe one or two small accent diamonds as to not detract from the main event. Storm, I can go smaller, maybe between 1.2-1.5 if necessary to get a nice stone. Frankly, I think getting a kickin 1.2 is way better than a just so-so 1.5. So most stones that are real nice are snatched up before even being advertised? So do I give Jon a call at GoG, tell him what I want and have him look or will he just work with what he has in stock?
 
Date: 4/22/2008 4:02:09 PM
Author: Headshrinx
Thankyou for your relpies. Gypsy, I''m looking in the 10-12k range with setting. All she wants is simple plat. band with maybe one or two small accent diamonds as to not detract from the main event. Storm, I can go smaller, maybe between 1.2-1.5 if necessary to get a nice stone. Frankly, I think getting a kickin 1.2 is way better than a just so-so 1.5. So most stones that are real nice are snatched up before even being advertised? So do I give Jon a call at GoG, tell him what I want and have him look or will he just work with what he has in stock?
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He will call them in unless he has one in for eval allready.
Most of the asschers he has around are not on the site as they are selling before he gets them up.
 
Date: 4/22/2008 2:32:14 PM
Author: pixley
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Storm and Gypsy,
Could you suggest a couple (or few) informative threads to review that would be helpful to those of us interested in learning about asschers for a future purchase? I can think of some key threads for cushions, but I haven''t the gumption to go through the whole sleep deprivation process again.

Many thanks,
Pix

Oh and Headshrinx,
Jon at GOG has the best visual aides around which is so helpful for long distance purchases, and he also has a penchant for outstanding fancy shapes. I would give him a call and save yourself the agony of a manual search.
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Watching the vids at GOG is a good start.
There are several threads in the FAQ section that are easy too find also.
I haven''t found the time too do the ultimate guide too asschers thread yet so it is a bit scattered and some of it is out of date.
The most important thing is that numbers drool and pictures rule.
 
Alright any excuse to ogle more Asschers
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Looking at GOG these 2 are in your range:

1. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4188/

2. http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4323/

#2 is in a video so you can get a good idea of what that one really looks like and I think I like that one better, but that''s just my untrained eye. However it looks like #1 is has a larger spread (6.51x6.67 and #2 is 5.86x6.01)if size is important to your SO she may prefer #1 as it will face up slightly bigger. Of course I would defer to expert opinion before selecting either as I am not and expert by any means just and Asscher lover.

I also love this setting, but maybe the channel sides are too much for your lady:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4323/
or the surprise diamond:
http://www.goodoldgold.com/setting/V-150/
 
headshrinx, I LOVE your avatar!!

I''m no expert at all, just had a quick question. You know your budget and it sounds like you have looked at some asschers with her. We bought my ring pre-pricescope, so we had about a dozen asschers shipped into jewelers and I basically just figured out what I liked and didn''t based on that. I realized how color sensitive I was, I got an idea of what depth and table %s I liked. I figured out what size I liked based on when I felt the steps got too thin (for me this was around 1.3 carats). Anyway, I only mention all of this because if you know how color sensitive she is, if she''d rather go with a more shallow asscher to increase spread, etc.

It sounds like she is indifferent, but did you compare a few side by side? I think that is what helped me the most.

GOG always churns out fabulous stones and you have to LOVE those videos, especially when you know you can''t go by the numbers!
 
KC, I''ve looked at both those asschers, and maybe someone could correct me if I''m wrong. #1 seems very dark to me. It does seem to have a huge table but the symetry looks to be a bit odd. A D in color seems such overkill. #2 doesn''t look bad optically but the windmills seem off. Is it a small keel type cutlet that lends itself to the windmills looking that way?
 
Date: 4/22/2008 5:52:45 PM
Author: Headshrinx
KC, I''ve looked at both those asschers, and maybe someone could correct me if I''m wrong. #1 seems very dark to me. It does seem to have a huge table but the symetry looks to be a bit odd. A D in color seems such overkill. #2 doesn''t look bad optically but the windmills seem off. Is it a small keel type cutlet that lends itself to the windmills looking that way?
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good eye they are both rejects that were put up for someone too compare too.
More than likely they were part of a bunch called in for someone or someones and they went with the other one/ones for odvious reasons.
The asschers that are up on the site is a little wierd at times because they can all be so-so because they havent been removed yet after someone picked the better ones and bought it.
That is why you have too contact them.
 
Date: 4/22/2008 5:52:45 PM
Author: Headshrinx
KC, I''ve looked at both those asschers, and maybe someone could correct me if I''m wrong. #1 seems very dark to me. It does seem to have a huge table but the symetry looks to be a bit odd.
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The kiss of death on #1 is noting that it qualifies only for the 30-day return guarantee, not the lifetime trade-up. I don''t think Jon wants this one back.
 
Date: 4/22/2008 9:31:52 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 4/22/2008 8:03:11 PM
Author: Gypsy
http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-specials/closeout-jewelry/rings/236CO1/8/ This would be my choice then. I''d contract Bill for more information on the stone... and some additional pics of it. Close ups. Daniel K''s asschers are really stunning though, generally.
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that is a sweet deal if it can be sized too fit and the asscher checks out which it has a very good chance of doing.
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That is a pretty ring.
 
OK, I really have no clue about Daniel K. Could someone enlighten me, and isn''t it risky buying a diamond set already? It is a very beautiful ring though.
 
Daniel K is the largest purchaser of asschers. He gets first pick on cut asschers and picks some of the most lovely asschers I've ever seen. While NORMALLY there is a risk to buying a mounted stone, buying a Daniel K is like buying a Hearts on Fire in a lot of ways, you are paying for an ideal cut stone. That doesn't mean you shoudln't get information on the stone, just that there is a really high probablility it's going to be an amazing stone. Daniel K is very high end and his peices are EXHORBANTLY priced. Bill was able to purchase a lot of them from a Jeweler who was liquidating stock. And so he's able to offer them at an affordable price.

If you asked any person on here if they would buy a Daniel K asscher when looking for an asscher... most would say YES! But his prices are outrageous. Unless you get them on a close out sale. MsSalvo got her cushion ring from Bill's liquidated stock of Daniel K. And at the rate they are declining on his website I wouldn't be surprised to find that others had indulged as well.
 
Daniel K only sets the best. To get an asscher at a close out price is a dream come true for many. I''d do it in a heart beat. I have seen his rings in person, they are perfection. Just about as good as it gets, IMHO. Trust me.
 
Date: 4/22/2008 6:00:11 PM
Author: strmrdr
Date: 4/22/2008 5:52:45 PM

Author: Headshrinx

KC, I''ve looked at both those asschers, and maybe someone could correct me if I''m wrong. #1 seems very dark to me. It does seem to have a huge table but the symetry looks to be a bit odd. A D in color seems such overkill. #2 doesn''t look bad optically but the windmills seem off. Is it a small keel type cutlet that lends itself to the windmills looking that way?
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good eye they are both rejects that were put up for someone too compare too.

More than likely they were part of a bunch called in for someone or someones and they went with the other one/ones for odvious reasons.

The asschers that are up on the site is a little wierd at times because they can all be so-so because they havent been removed yet after someone picked the better ones and bought it.

That is why you have too contact them.
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Just want to say thanks for setting me straight on that. I had no idea that so many that are posted on the sites are "rejects" or ones that didn''t get get picked when someone else called them in. It all makes more sense now. I learn something new every day.

Oh and the Daniel K''s are gorgeous! I''ve got one on my wishlist
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Just an update, I LOVED the Daniel K rings but unfortunately they can''t be sized to what I need. The search for that elusive asscher continues...
 
Stormy, I did find this Asscher:
Lab: GIA
Shape: Asscher
Carat: 1.27
Color: E
Clarity: VS2
Measurements: 5.93 x 6.01 - 4.09
Girdle: TK - TK /P (3.7 - 3.7%)
Depth %: 69.0
Table %: 61
Culet: N (1.5%)
Polish: X
Symmetry: X
Fluorescence: F. Blue
Crown Angle: 32.2
Crown Height: 12.1
Pavilion Depth: 49.2
Lab Comments: None
Price: $8,475

It is supposedly cut by Lazare Kaplan. Here are a few pics.

127VS2E_AS_pic.jpg
 
Another pic

127VS2EAS_pic.jpg
 
GIA Report

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whats the crown height and can you get an IS or preferably an ASET image?

edit just saw the crown height.

its looking good so far just maybe a little to dark center but more pics or needed.
 
and one more

127VS2EAS_pic__3.jpg
 
The center facet does look a bit dark, wasn''t sure if it was just me being too critical. Thanks a ton for the input, wow finding the right stone is proving to be difficult.
 
The broker who has the stone said this to me after I mentioned that the center facets looked a bit dark to me. She is refering to the second photo that I posted here.

"That is camera reflection on the one picture. As you can see in the second picture it definitely is not dark."

It doesn''t look like a reflection to me...opinions?
 
Date: 5/8/2008 6:35:59 PM
Author: Headshrinx

The broker who has the stone said this to me after I mentioned that the center facets looked a bit dark to me. She is refering to the second photo that I posted here.

''That is camera reflection on the one picture. As you can see in the second picture it definitely is not dark.''

It doesn''t look like a reflection to me...opinions?

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yes and no, its headshadow which is a reflection of the camera.
but thats not the issue.

See the center light return in the top photo and how it sets the pattern.
Thats what looks too small in the one you posted.
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Ahhh, I see what you mean. It's really not a horrible stone but I now understand what you were talking about. I will be completely bald by time I find a nice stone and then I probably won't need it
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. Maybe I'll just buy a RA and be done with it. I haven't seen a RA that hasn't taken my breath away.
 
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