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Looking for AGS 0, G-H color, SI1, 1.5 Carat or better. An additional requirement is that the vendor has to be outside of New York since NY sales tax will put me well over budget. I am not sure that I can find such stones since ACA or GOG, or other vendors'' prices for this type of stone come in too high. I am seemingly finding the same stone at Abazias and Whiteflash (1.53 H SI1 61.8% 56% AGS m no id id no 7.42-7.37x4.57) within the budget but reports aren''t on line and I can''t run HCA scores to get a sense of it would perform before requesting more information. I think that GIA graded H & A stone would be fine too.
 
Date: 6/11/2008 11:04:41 AM
Author:aldus
Looking for AGS 0, G-H color, SI1, 1.5 Carat or better. An additional requirement is that the vendor has to be outside of New York since NY sales tax will put me well over budget. I am not sure that I can find such stones since ACA or GOG, or other vendors' prices for this type of stone come in too high. I am seemingly finding the same stone at Abazias and Whiteflash (1.53 H SI1 61.8% 56% AGS m no id id no 7.42-7.37x4.57) within the budget but reports aren't on line and I can't run HCA scores to get a sense of it would perform before requesting more information. I think that GIA graded H & A stone would be fine too.
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Welcome to Pricescope!

Would you consider I or J colour and SI2 clarity if verified eyeclean? If so, you could get something like these - I will post them but if you are not amenable with the idea of the above, then no worries!

http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/4316/
 
I''d rather stay away from lower colors but eye-clean SI2 would be ok.
 
Date: 6/11/2008 11:18:45 AM
Author: aldus
I'd rather stay away from lower colors but eye-clean SI2 would be ok.
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Ok, I will see what I can find.

This is a GIA Excellent, nice numbers and if verified eyeclean, might be worth considering.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-SI2-Ideal-Cut-Round-Diamond-1131284.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Also if we could find something in the 1.4 ct range, would that be acceptable? It could help out the budget as there doesn't seem to be much out there, would you consider an I colour? An I or J can still face up very white if the cut is good.
 
Muss, aldus has a $10k budget - are the diamonds you posted within that?
 
While the numbers look good, I don''t know if it would be eye clean since the feather in the center looks pretty big in the photo. I can go down to I, but size-wise would like to stay at 1.5 c or above. Seemingly there aren''t many stones in this range. USCERTED has a number of GIA stones with reports on line that are close to my requirements, however, while I requested idealscope images and the like by email to narrow the list, I haven''t heard from them yet.
 
10k for diamond or 10k for settings, the diamond and everything else?? i say you have to budget another 1500 or so for the settings unless you want to put that 10k stone on a $300 setting.


also go for I or J since size does seem important to you. or maybe even consider another cut like princess to meet your caret weight
 
$10,000 for the stone only. I am not interested in other cuts. Would prefer to go H or better with the size and cut as above.
 
Joe, it appears to be a nice stone but HCA borderline. It comes up as a 2. I would like to do better and the budget would allow it.
 
Date: 6/11/2008 1:22:32 PM
Author: aldus
Joe, it appears to be a nice stone but HCA borderline. It comes up as a 2. I would like to do better and the budget would allow it.
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aldus, please don't use the HCA for selecting diamonds, it isn't intended for that. The HCA is used for eliminating diamonds, with ones that score 2 and below being worth further evaluations by other methods such as Idealscope etc. A lower HCA score does not mean one diamond is better than another. The HCA can also penalize diamonds with a slightly steeper pavilion angle, whereas with the diamond Joe posted, it looks to be a lovely diamond and it is an AGS0, so the HCA does have it's limitations and it cannot physically see the stone.

Please see here for more info - http://diamonds.pricescope.com/ideal.asp

Also if you could consider dropping to an I or J colour, it might get you some of the other things you want...


http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-703281.htm
 
I understand HCA''s limitations. Nonetheless, according to HCA, color and scintillation performance come in very good, and I was hoping for excellent.
 
Date: 6/11/2008 1:55:21 PM
Author: aldus
I understand HCA's limitations. Nonetheless, according to HCA, color and scintillation performance come in very good, and I was hoping for excellent.
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I wouldn't worry too much, if you mean fire for colour, the HCA cannot see the diamond and give any meaningful results on fire, scintillation etc, as there is also so much info it is missing. Stick to Idealscope and vendor expertise for evaluating each diamond, as this is the best way.

"HCA is only for round diamonds with known Table, Crown, Pavilion and Total Depth inputs; it has no idea about the diamonds symmetry, poor minor facet proportions or various cutters tricks.
Use it to reject known poor performers and narrow down your selection. Please do not use it for final selection; it will not replace an analysis with an Ideal-scope and/or an independent appraisal ".
 
The second stone score 2.9 on HCA.
 
Date: 6/11/2008 4:34:20 PM
Author: aldus
The second stone score 2.9 on HCA.
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Yep, also make sure with SI2 clarities that the diamond is checked and verified to be eyeclean to your specifications. As you hit the larger diamond sizes, you might find that not all SI2 clarities are eyeclean, they are not created equal, so bear this in mind as you search.

See this thread for info regarding how a diamond is judged for visible inclusions, some diamonds may pass close scrutiny, especially with SI2 and others may not. Also some may be clean from the top, and not from the side, so make sure you tell the vendor what your expectations are.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/clarity-eye-clean-definition-interpretation-and-taste.30483/
 
Thank you all for your suggestions. Here is another BN stone http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-si1-clarity_LD01262940?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0
Also scores 1.4 on HCA. According to BN, they haven''t checked it for being eye clean, but will do so and let me know. I also feel better that it is H SI1. However it is $131 over budget but I can live with that. The only thing that is holding me back is that BN will not provide any visuals.
 
Date: 6/11/2008 5:04:53 PM
Author: aldus
Thank you all for your suggestions. Here is another BN stone http://www.bluenile.com/round-diamond-1-carat-ideal-cut-h-color-si1-clarity_LD01262940?__fun_frm=i&filter_id=0
Also scores 1.4 on HCA. According to BN, they haven''t checked it for being eye clean, but will do so and let me know. I also feel better that it is H SI1. However it is $131 over budget but I can live with that. The only thing that is holding me back is that BN will not provide any visuals.
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This could be a pretty stone, it isn''t cut to what we call superideal standards, but it appears to be a well cut nice make of diamond. See what BN say regarding '' eyecleanliness.''
 
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