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parkerj

parkerj

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Is this a common inclusion? Today we saw an F S12, excellent cut Rb with a clean face except for a visible to the eye carbon fleck (or two) on the edge. I think the prong would cover it, but DH was concerned. It was a 1.54 carat for around 9000. We''ve looked at quite a few diamonds in the last few weeks, and although this stone was clean otherwise and had tons of fire, my husband was concerned about the carbon because if you looked closely, you could see it. Yes, good deal, or no, keep looking???
 
What you are describing is pretty common in an SI2 stone. Inclusions start to become somewhat noticeable to the naked eye in the SI range (although some are completely eye clean).

Is this stone a good deal???
-need more information.

Who graded the stone, what is the cut information, where is the stone from, etc.?

Focus on cut quality, how a diamond is cut best determines it''s sparkle.
 
a good eye clean si2 can be hard to find but i know for a fact that they are out there. if you are not comfortable with the inclusions, keep looking. keep in mind, inclusions aren''t *bad* they are just little ''birthmarks'' in the diamond. it makes it easier for you to know you have your baby
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It''s an excellent cut, GIA, F color, 1.54 carat, RB, S12. There aren''t any other inclusions except for a tiny cloud that I barely saw under magnification.
 
What is the depth/table percentage, crown/pavillion angles, girdle, polish and symmetry info? the label excellent is a good sign, but it doesn''t ensure a beautiful performer.
 
56 table, thin- medium,no cutlet, 52.3 depth (I think), there are some other numbers on the GIA certf but I am not sure which is the crown/pavillion etc. top number on the left is 55%, all the way to the right is 35.0", under that is 41". I don't know what they mean, but you probably do.
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Polish very good, symmetry excellent, no fluorescence.
 
The cut sounds good, but can you handle black, eye-visible inclusions? It is probably a fair price for the stone. But it''s only a good deal if you love it and are not bothered by inclusions. It''s easier to find eye-clean SI1''s usually.
 
We considered the same specs on an SI1, but the price went up significantly....like almost twice!
 
An SI1 shouldn''t be double, but a VS would be.
 
My husband was more bothered by the black specs than I was. Keep looking? Is it possible to find an eye-clean SI2 will all the same (generally) specs for the same price?
 
Maybe is was a VS...it''s all becoming a blur
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I think finding an excellent cut, eye-clean SI2 will be challenging. But as Belle said, they exist. You might want to widen your color parameters a little and maybe go up to SI1.
 
You sound like you''re surprised...It is an SI2...I''m actually surprised that so many people find eye clean SI1s so in an SI2, I''d expect some carbon spots. It sounds like you can find something better though.
 
I think the pavillion was a 35/41--any opinions on this? Also, the carbon spots are on the edge and would be mostly covered by the prongs. It is common to find them on the edge in an SI2? DH is bothered by the spots in the loose stone. He is afraid it will be noticeable like "holy cow, what''s that black junk on your diamond"? ha.
 
That is a beautiful stone! Here''s the kicker though--the jeweler will cut the price of the setting from 5600 to 4900 if we buy the diamond from him. If we bring in our own diamond center, the price for the setting is 5600. It is exactly the setting I want, so I''m just looking for the diamond. I''m not cheap, but VERY frugal.
 
No one is really going to be looking at your stone from four inches away saying, "Is that a black spot I see???"
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in a wicked old lady voice. To me, this is really about what bothers you and what you''re comfortable wearing every day.

SI2''s vary a lot, but you could spend a lot of time looking for the "perfect" one. If you decide to pass on this one, I would consider compromising a bit on color to go up to an SI1, where you can easily find one that''s completely eye-clean. You won''t see the color in a G or H if you get a great cut.
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The edge is a GREAT place for the inclusion to be. And it wouldn't bother me AT ALL if it could be covered by a prong.
 
The jeweler did say that if we bought it and wore it for a bit, and then decided that the inclusions were bothersome that he would look for another diamond. I like this one, but my husband isn''t so sure... Any thoughts on the pavillion #? I am just learning about all of this and don''t really understand what all the numbers mean. thanks.
 
So yes? Good stone for the price? or No, keep looking?
 
According to another thread here today, those angles would make the stone an AGS1 instead of AGS0. Still a nice stone? Sure. It just depends on what you want. If your requirements are eye-clean and meets AGS0/ideal cut parameters, this one would not meet the qualifications. However, if you want to go over 1.5 carats and are willing to sacrifice a little on the clarity and cut, then this one would be fine. Really only you can answer that.
 
Diamondseeker- I''m sorry but I don''t know what an AGS0 or 1 is. I''m new to this, and just learning....
 
Sorry about that! On this site you''ll see a lot of mention of AGS0 (or Ideal), which is the highest grade given by that grading lab. The other reputable grading lab is GIA and excellent is their top grade. Some top quality cuts also display a perfect hearts and arrows pattern. There is tons of info on this site under the knowledge heading. One of my favorite educational sites is the 4 C''s section of Good Old Gold. They have terrific pictures showing things like color, clarity, etc., and there will also be a concise explanation about cut. I highly recommend you take a look there.

http://www.goodoldgold.com/4Cs/

I will have to tell you that some of us have become slightly obsessive about cut and numbers, but that is a safe way to buy online stones. But there certainly can be beautiful AGS1 and GIA very good stones. It''s just easier and more mentally safe to buy the top cut quality because you''ll know you''re getting a very beautiful diamond!
 
I also will have to backtrack and say that the person who said 35/41 combos were usually AGS1 corrected himself and said that it CAN be AGS0 if all the other qualifications are there. Sorry for the confusion! So the cut may be fine. Just decide based on the look of the stone and whether the inclusions bother you.
 
If it looks beautiful to you, and the jeweler agrees, wear it around for a week and see what you think. If the inclusion that you (rather, your hubby) are worried about can be hidden under a prong...even better!
 
First off Parker, I love your cat! What a cutie! Now down to business...If the inclusions bother you, don''t keep it. If they don''t you''ve got a very pretty stone. Inclusions don''t bother me at all. I don''t want to see them all of the time, but, I don''t care if they are there. I don''t think anyone will be thinking about your inclusions when they are looking at your stone, either.
 
Date: 7/11/2007 8:33:12 PM
Author: parkerj
56 table, thin- medium,no cutlet, 52.3 depth (I think), there are some other numbers on the GIA certf but I am not sure which is the crown/pavillion etc. top number on the left is 55%, all the way to the right is 35.0'', under that is 41''. I don''t know what they mean, but you probably do.
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Polish very good, symmetry excellent, no fluorescence.
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You might want to check that figure!!!
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That's my cat Maddie. She's cross-eyed and touched in the head! I think I am going to call the jeweler today and tell him that this is the stone I want. It had great fire and almost glowed all by itself. If the prong covers most of the the inclusion and I have to search to find any of it, then that's good enough for me! I like thinking of it as a birthmark, not an inclusion. : ) Thanks ya'll.
 
Remember, when looking at stones in a jewelery store everything is under a microscope (not literally) and you are looking at stones intensley to ensure your money is well spent. Likelyhood of anyone else, other than a few peeps here on ps
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, will ever look at your diamond as hard as you and hubby in the store.

Make sense?
 
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