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Can't Donald Just Say "Yes I'm A Poor Excuse For A Human?"

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Lil Misfit|1470179745|4061847 said:
Thanks for the validation, Sharon. I, too, no longer feel like I belong or wish to participate, especially after ksinger's condescending post. Sadly, since things will probably never change, and there will always be bullies on PS, I think my time here is done. I'm really starting to think that certain posters need to get a new hobby. It's actually a bit frightening, and sad, when people become so consumed/focused on the actions of one person (a politician) that they cannot talk about anything else. That's not something I want to be a part of. Peace out.
"There will always be bullies on PS" she says as she insults a group of posters. :cheeky:

We're 98 days from an election that is in many ways unprecedented. It's what a lot of people want to discuss. And David is right, you should see what political discourse is like pretty much anywhere else on the internet. It's practically a garden stroll over here.

Besides, one thread for Trump? Please. The man makes 3-4 inexcusable gaffes a day. Don't blame us, blame him! :rodent:
 

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I think some Republicans are just deeply embarrassed by their candidate.
But he's the one most Republicans picked for president.
That's how it works, which means they might be rethinking their membership in that party.
Every election thread is another reason to cringe about belonging to that party.
I can understand how this is upsetting.

I suspect this is behind wanting to censor PS from talking about what everyone is talking about ... the top new stories of the day ... simply the latest mind-boggling thing that Trump just said/did.

And I agree that, compared to every other forum I frequent, PS political threads read like Victorian ladies with extended pinkies at high afternoon tea.

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E B|1470188376|4061916 said:
"There will always be bullies on PS" she says as she insults a group of posters. :cheeky:
I ain't afraid of PSer liberals !... :praise:
 

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ksinger|1470178226|4061838 said:
What no one here gets to do is dictate what others find interesting or what they get to talk about. These political threads have been painfully genteel and delikit, on the whole, so there is no reason why those of us who like these threads, have to give them up. If you still find them too distressing, I suggest giving them a miss without complaint. Kinda like I give DF's polls a miss year round, or skip those where people overshare about their sex lives.
K...Think you have me confused with kenny... :bigsmile:
 

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I started to post a response earlier-much earlier-then I got involved in a lengthy talk with a new caregiver my father has. By the time I got back to computer, other posters had addressed all the points i had intended on addressing.

Basically, what I had wanted to say was that ksinger was correct that people did not have to participate in threads which did not interest them, and I did not know why having political threads in Hangout bothered anyone. At least I didn't know why they had a right to complain if I didn't have a right to complain about threads in which I was not interested. (And why should I insult anyone by naming the many genres of thread found in Hangout which I find dull?)

I also agree with David that the level of discourse on Pricescope is reasonably high. It doesn't compare with the comments that follow an article in "The New York Times", but it is considerably better than any unmoderated site on the Internet! Kudos to Andrey and Ella for keeping this place running smoothly!

And, finally, when posters who have not been participating in a thread or threads decide they want to stop the discussion, that is considered polite. But when ksinger, who has contributed a lot of thoughtful writing to the threads says that posters can ignore the threads they dislike, she is called "condescending" and "a bully". Double standard much?

Maybe ksinger isn't in with the in crowd.

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HI:

My post won't be lengthy. Or be prefaced.

Ksinger has always had "my" attention. I appreciate substantive posts. So nothing could come as more of a surprise, to read her post that was not only condescending but patronizing. To use an artificially constructed term (not word) such as "delikit"; to call out members (DF) in specific, as well as to call out most other members in general (beauty, personal, advice, etc, etc) were insults. This is the lowest form of discourse. Insults are divisible. I get it. Pot and all.

cheers--Sharon
 

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canuk-gal|1470200180|4061969 said:
HI:

My post won't be lengthy. Or be prefaced.

Ksinger has always had "my" attention. I appreciate substantive posts. So nothing could come as more of a surprise, to read her post that was not only condescending but patronizing. To use an artificially constructed term (not word) such as "delikit"; to call out members (DF) in specific, as well as to call out most other members in general (beauty, personal, advice, etc, etc) were insults. This is the lowest form of discourse. Insults are divisible. I get it. Pot and all.

cheers--Sharon
No worry Sharon I have thick skins!... :praise: :lol:
 

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This seems oddly appropriate given the posts.in this thread; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GsPq9mzFNGY

If you are tired.of the political threads and others aren't those are both equally valid. You be you, and do your own thing. Sometimes walking away from topics, threads, relationships, forums is best. Just let it.go, let it be. PS will be here if you need a break, take one. If you come back, we will be happy to see you. If you don't, we'll miss you. But that is okay too.
 

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I don't think anyone was intentionally condescending. We can all pick and choose which discussions to join and which ones to avoid. I find most of the people here, both the conservatives, and the lefties all genuinely decent people. The political conversations might get a bit spirited but I don't think there is honest ill will on either side towards other members.
 

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I agree with the gist of the message. Tired of the topic, don't like it, or not interested in it? Just skip it and go on to the one that you prefer to read. I may not agree with a particular view but it has no bearing on my respect of the poster.
 

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kenny|1470189429|4061924 said:
I think some Republicans are just deeply embarrassed by their candidate.
But he's the one most Republicans picked for president.
That's how it works, which means they might be rethinking their membership in that party.
Every election thread is another reason to cringe about belonging to that party.
I can understand how this is upsetting.

I suspect this is behind wanting to censor PS from talking about what everyone is talking about ... the top new stories of the day ... simply the latest mind-boggling thing that Trump just said/did.

And I agree that, compared to every other forum I frequent, PS political threads read like Victorian ladies with extended pinkies at high afternoon tea.
Embarrassed? Yes, but that's not why I agree with the others who have said enough is enough. It's just too much and has nothing to do with censorship.
What does it accomplish - all of these threads about Trump that discuss what we already know? Is the goal trying to change someone's political views or is it just for fun? Maybe I just don't understand the purpose? If we know he's a *insert whatever name you want to call him* then why the need for the same threads? It would have been nice to have one (main) Trump thread that could have just been updated along the way.
And yes, I realize that no one is forced to click on any one thread, so I agree that we have the ability to ignore certain threads if we want. I think the point was that just because something is current/relevant, that doesn't mean that some of us want to sift through it on a daily basis (but I get that others do, so I try to be sympathetic to that).
 

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Dancing Fire|1470163220|4061735 said:
Calliecake|1470162430|4061731 said:
I have no idea how Trump can possibly go any lower than he did with his reaction to the Khan family. He deserves to lose his "Human Being" card. There truly are no words to describe how awful he is as a person. I read an article a while back that you are born with the ability to have compassion and empathy. Obviously Mr Trump was born with neither.
Those remakes were un-call for... :nono: Capt. Khan is a true American hero... :appl:
DF, did you read about the ouster of some politicians in Kansas? I'm not saying anything about supply side, but it is interesting to me that people can oust republicans in their state to replace them with republicans that say they can work together with the opposition, I think that is wonderful.. As a liberal, old school, my older sister went to Woodstock!, democrat I wish to see republicans and democrats work together, I neither want a total socialist USA, nor do I want a full supply side USA.. I wish to work together.. maybe this mess we have right now is the end of the big recession and how people are still angry on what they lost - I will admit wholeheartedly that I lost nothing in the recession, I paid both my sons way through college, on yearly income (actually just on my husband's bonuses) that is pretty lucky on my part but I sure didn't suffer during the recession, my retirement funds grew actually. I didn't feel that gut wrenching pain that people in coal mines feel, people in the housing industry (still feeling it Vegas I read today).. my house increased in price during the whole recession.. I am lucky. I wish for this luck for all of America, life's not fair I know.. but unfortunately neither trump nor clinton will heal I think.. I like clinton I feel she has been unfairly tarred and feathered by right wing nutcases.. but she is what the democrats picked and Trump for all his ????ness (bizarreness? weirdness ??) is what the republicans picked.. not sure we are getting to where we need to go but I have hope that eventually we will meet in the middle.

Peace
 

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momhappy|1470226364|4062009 said:
Embarrassed? Yes, but that's not why I agree with the others who have said enough is enough. It's just too much and has nothing to do with censorship.

It's too much for you. It may be too much for some other individuals as well. Clearly it is not too much for the people who are involved in the threads.

What does it accomplish - all of these threads about Trump that discuss what we already know? Is the goal trying to change someone's political views or is it just for fun? Maybe I just don't understand the purpose? If we know he's a *insert whatever name you want to call him* then why the need for the same threads? It would have been nice to have one (main) Trump thread that could have just been updated along the way.

In my opinion, you do not need to know what these threads accomplish and you do not need to understand their purpose. The fact that other posters want to start them and participate them is reason enough for their existence.



And yes, I realize that no one is forced to click on any one thread, so I agree that we have the ability to ignore certain threads if we want. I think the point was that just because something is current/relevant, that doesn't mean that some of us want to sift through it on a daily basis (but I get that others do, so I try to be sympathetic to that).

I doubt that "sifting through" the threads to avoid all political threads would really take you very long. In reality, you opt to participate in many of the political threads, so you cannot really claim that you must sift through all the threads to avoid them. Maybe what takes you time is sifting through them and reading them so that you can formulate responses to the ones with which you disagree. Since you are generally fairly conservative, perhaps the preponderance of anti-Trump threads is irritating to you.
 

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I don't think anyone is suggesting that those who wish to discuss politics should not be able to do so. When looking at the list of threads right now, 5 of the top 8 are politically focused. I can understand why some may be feeling reluctant to visit Hangout. In the interest of continuing to appeal to many while allowing those who are so passionate about politics to engage, would it be that bad to have a single political thread or one each for the liberal leaning and conservative leaning members?


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Well if Deb and kenny would quit starting them we wouldn't have so many. ;)) :D
 

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AGBF|1470231364|4062033 said:
momhappy|1470226364|4062009 said:
Embarrassed? Yes, but that's not why I agree with the others who have said enough is enough. It's just too much and has nothing to do with censorship.

It's too much for you. It may be too much for some other individuals as well. Clearly it is not too much for the people who are involved in the threads.

What does it accomplish - all of these threads about Trump that discuss what we already know? Is the goal trying to change someone's political views or is it just for fun? Maybe I just don't understand the purpose? If we know he's a *insert whatever name you want to call him* then why the need for the same threads? It would have been nice to have one (main) Trump thread that could have just been updated along the way.

In my opinion, you do not need to know what these threads accomplish and you do not need to understand their purpose. The fact that other posters want to start them and participate them is reason enough for their existence.



And yes, I realize that no one is forced to click on any one thread, so I agree that we have the ability to ignore certain threads if we want. I think the point was that just because something is current/relevant, that doesn't mean that some of us want to sift through it on a daily basis (but I get that others do, so I try to be sympathetic to that).

I doubt that "sifting through" the threads to avoid all political threads would really take you very long. In reality, you opt to participate in many of the political threads, so you cannot really claim that you must sift through all the threads to avoid them. Maybe what takes you time is sifting through them and reading them so that you can formulate responses to the ones with which you disagree. Since you are generally fairly conservative, perhaps the preponderance of anti-Trump threads is irritating to you.
But that's what said - that it was too much for me personally, but that I try to sympathetic to the opinions of others. I didn't even start the topic. I was just responding to it. And, you're right, I don't need to know the purpose, but I was genuinely asking the question. Just like I don't need to know, you don't have to answer. Also, I never claimed to avoid these types of threads entirely. Obviously, I post here and there, just as others do. I was just saying that many threads are started and then kept relevant with updates, but that's not the case with the Trump threads.
I didn't say that any of this was a big deal, AGBF =) I was just responding to those who have expressed their disappointment with the topics in Hangout lately. I don't think anyone was suggesting censorship. I think it was more of an observation and a sharing of opinions/thoughts.
 

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momhappy|1470233864|4062054 said:
I was just saying that many threads are started and then kept relevant with updates, but that's not the case with the Trump threads.
I am typing while on hold with the hospital. My father is currently in the cardiac unit in out local hospital and my daughter is in a psychiatric hospital an hour away. I haven't yet had my shower. Our live-in aid had his car broken into overnight and the physical therapist already visited to pick up some signed paperwork. My point is that I am currently pressed for time. If I had more time, I' could attempt a statistical analysis of the Trump threads to see how often they are "updated".

It is my belief that the Trump threads are the only ones that are actually updated at all with factual data (as opposed to other threads that are "updated" merely with more opinions) since I often post news articles in the Trump threads telling people what new statements Trump has made.

Why doesn't someone with time on his hands go count the number of new articles I link and quote in every Trump thread?

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^Deb, again, I didn't start the conversation about the Trump threads. I was just responding to what others said, so I'm not sure why you keep quoting me :confused: I came in this morning and posted in a couple of random threads and this happened to be one of them.
To be honest, I don't even really care that much because I know I can pick and choose what threads I choose to see and/or participate in. I was just adding my .02 cents to a topic that was brought up by someone else.
I am sorry that you are having a hard time - what you are going through, doesn't sound easy and I hope that things start to improve for you and your family. Hugs to you.
 

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momhappy|1470235136|4062065 said:
^Deb, again, I didn't start the conversation about the Trump threads. I was just responding to what others said, so I'm not sure why you keep quoting me :confused: I came in this morning and posted in a couple of random threads and this happened to be one of them.
To be honest, I don't even really care that much because I know I can pick and choose what threads I choose to see and/or participate in. I was just adding my .02 cents to a topic that was brought up by someone else.
I am sorry that you are having a hard time - what you are going through, doesn't sound easy and I hope that things start to improve for you and your family. Hugs to you.
Thank you for your kind response about my personal situation, momhappy. As I have said before, you are a very kind woman. I apologize for dragging my personal baggage into this thread. It didn't belong here.

I had meant only to respond to your point about whether the Trump threads were updated.

Hugs back at you!
Deb :wavey:
 

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No worries! and you have every right to express yourself because you are dealing with some pretty tough stuff!!!!
 

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arkieb1|1470219236|4061993 said:
I don't think anyone was intentionally condescending.
+1

Like beauty, condescending is in the eye of the beholder.

Here on PS I see people called condescending when they are just very smart and confident, and dispense with that faux modesty our mommies taught us, or tried to.

Also when someone simply dislikes someone the word condescending may come up as a passive-aggressive way to insult, from thier high horse.
It's a sermon: People shouldn't vary; everyone should be modest.
 

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momhappy|1470226364|4062009 said:
kenny|1470189429|4061924 said:
I think some Republicans are just deeply embarrassed by their candidate.
But he's the one most Republicans picked for president.
That's how it works, which means they might be rethinking their membership in that party.
Every election thread is another reason to cringe about belonging to that party.
I can understand how this is upsetting.

I suspect this is behind wanting to censor PS from talking about what everyone is talking about ... the top new stories of the day ... simply the latest mind-boggling thing that Trump just said/did.

And I agree that, compared to every other forum I frequent, PS political threads read like Victorian ladies with extended pinkies at high afternoon tea.
Embarrassed? Yes, but that's not why I agree with the others who have said enough is enough. It's just too much and has nothing to do with censorship.
What does it accomplish - all of these threads about Trump that discuss what we already know? Is the goal trying to change someone's political views or is it just for fun? Maybe I just don't understand the purpose? If we know he's a *insert whatever name you want to call him* then why the need for the same threads? It would have been nice to have one (main) Trump thread that could have just been updated along the way.
And yes, I realize that no one is forced to click on any one thread, so I agree that we have the ability to ignore certain threads if we want. I think the point was that just because something is current/relevant, that doesn't mean that some of us want to sift through it on a daily basis (but I get that others do, so I try to be sympathetic to that).
Why discuss Trump?
Because this very F-ed up and dangerous up man has a good shot at becoming the most powerful person in America, and the world.

This is a very big deal.
Discussion is expected, healthy, essential and necessary.
As stated the only reason I can see for people wanting to limit discussion is they are embarrassed they are voting for the guy (or even belong to his party) so each new Trump thread increases their shame and anxiety.


When threads don't interest me I don't open them; I don't try to stop them.
 

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kenny|1470243229|4062103 said:
momhappy|1470226364|4062009 said:
kenny|1470189429|4061924 said:
I think some Republicans are just deeply embarrassed by their candidate.
But he's the one most Republicans picked for president.
That's how it works, which means they might be rethinking their membership in that party.
Every election thread is another reason to cringe about belonging to that party.
I can understand how this is upsetting.

I suspect this is behind wanting to censor PS from talking about what everyone is talking about ... the top new stories of the day ... simply the latest mind-boggling thing that Trump just said/did.

And I agree that, compared to every other forum I frequent, PS political threads read like Victorian ladies with extended pinkies at high afternoon tea.
Embarrassed? Yes, but that's not why I agree with the others who have said enough is enough. It's just too much and has nothing to do with censorship.
What does it accomplish - all of these threads about Trump that discuss what we already know? Is the goal trying to change someone's political views or is it just for fun? Maybe I just don't understand the purpose? If we know he's a *insert whatever name you want to call him* then why the need for the same threads? It would have been nice to have one (main) Trump thread that could have just been updated along the way.
And yes, I realize that no one is forced to click on any one thread, so I agree that we have the ability to ignore certain threads if we want. I think the point was that just because something is current/relevant, that doesn't mean that some of us want to sift through it on a daily basis (but I get that others do, so I try to be sympathetic to that).
Why discuss Trump?
Because he has a good shot at becoming the most powerful person in America, and the world.

This is a very big deal.
Discussion is healthy, essential and necessary.

I don't click on threads that do not interest me.
I don't try to stop them.
I don't think that anyone was suggesting that we not talk about Trump, try to stop Trump threads, etc. I think some members just shared that they thought it seemed like a lot in the Hangout forum. I don't have an issue with the discussion and I agree that some of it is healthy, essential, and necessary.
Maybe I am particularly sensitive to it because I see a lot of political drama on FB and much of it doesn't seem healthy at all (friends arguing with each other, name calling, finger-pointing, etc.). Thankfully, FB has an "unfollow" button, so I can hide friends who are overly-political and still remain friends with them. I might even have to "unfollow" my own father :shock: His political rants are terrible and they occur multiple times a day, every day. He's all worked up and not in a "healthy" way.
 

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Yet another reason I'm glad I do not have a FB account.
But yeah, when people suck too much there is the ignore function (called foes on PS).
 

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momhappy|1470243737|4062107 said:
I don't think that anyone was suggesting that we not talk about Trump, try to stop Trump threads, etc.
This was posted:

Lil Misfit|1470175086|4061817 said:
redwood66|1470171510|4061804 said:
Well we don't really need all of these. It just makes the libs feel better.
Seriously. I'm beginning to think this forum should be called "Donald Trump's sins" instead of "Hangout". Can't we talk about something else, besides politics, for the next 3 months and just have one thread devoted to the election? I used to enjoy coming to "Hangout" but lately it's just political banter and I can get that on my TV or the internet.
 

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Well, we don't really need any threads ;-)
Saying we don't need certain threads isn't the same as saying that we shouldn't discuss Trump, stop Trump threads, etc. I don't want to speak for anyone though, but that was my impression.
 

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momhappy|1470245248|4062120 said:
Well, we don't really need any threads ;-)
Saying we don't need certain threads isn't the same as saying that we shouldn't discuss Trump, stop Trump threads, etc. I don't want to speak for anyone though, but that was my impression.
:roll:
 

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Since I keep getting reposted, my point was to give Deb a hard time about posting 3-4 new Trump threads daily. It was a joke for pete's sake. It bothers others obviously more than me and no one has to open them.

I am going to find at least 3 Hillary articles and post them here daily just to be a PITA.
 

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redwood66|1470252765|4062186 said:
Since I keep getting reposted, my point was to give Deb a hard time about posting 3-4 new Trump threads daily. It was a joke for pete's sake. It bothers others obviously more than me and no one has to open them.

I am going to find at least 3 Hillary articles and post them here daily just to be a PITA.
:lol: I'm sorry I didn't get the joke but it didn't bother me, which is why I didn't respond. I've found that sometimes jokes don't come through the written word well, and gets misunderstood.
 

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Chrono|1470253989|4062195 said:
redwood66|1470252765|4062186 said:
Since I keep getting reposted, my point was to give Deb a hard time about posting 3-4 new Trump threads daily. It was a joke for pete's sake. It bothers others obviously more than me and no one has to open them.

I am going to find at least 3 Hillary articles and post them here daily just to be a PITA.
:lol: I'm sorry I didn't get the joke but it didn't bother me, which is why I didn't respond. I've found that sometimes jokes don't come through the written word well, and gets misunderstood.
I do too because though I try to make sure I put a laughing emoji, Deb has to tell me she is making one because I can never tell with her. :D
 
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