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Mine is a bit crude and I think I’ve mentioned it before, but here it is again:

I had a friend since University. He was my lab partner, we used to double date back in the day. He helped me get a job at the company he works for after I graduated. We worked together for 7 years. We routinely ate lunch together. We carpooled sometimes. He and his wife were regulars at our house on the weekend.

He would push boundaries sometimes. It was always in a joking way and I would always shut it down. Then one day I come to work and there was something all over my chair. I sat in it. I work in a place where there are potentially harmful chemicals so this was a major safety concern. We reviewed all of the security footage trying to figure out what the heck it was.

It was truly horrifying. My friend was coming to work at least an hour before everyone else and watching pornography in my office. He was intentionally leaving a mess on my chair, in my coffee mug, on my keyboard. This happened several times per week and went back as far as there was saved video. He was fired immediately, I decided not to press charges because I didn’t want to make things harder on his wife.

I felt so betrayed and violated. He lied and told his wife that I “got him fired” because I was in love with him and couldn’t handle seeing him every day while he was in a relationship. She actually believed him and started spreading that rumour around our social circle. That was until an 18 year old pregnant girl knocked on her door one day. He was Christmas shopping and had sex with the high school kid who works at the bath and body store. Apparently he cast a wide net and there have been countless women over the course of their marriage.

Wife did apologize to me, but the damage was done with that group of friends. It’s hard to be around anyone after that kind of conflict.
 

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Chemgirl, that is extremely terrible, in so many ways. So sorry that happened to you. And I feel bad for the wife as well, and the young girl involved.
 

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In response to the OP's question... no, I can't think of any time a friend has turned out not to be... but that may be in part because I'm a serious introvert and intentionally have only a few people I am close to in my life.

That said, I do have an opposite kind of story... of finding great friends when I didn't know I had them... I've recently been going through an extremely difficult time at work, and there have been a number of people come out of the woodwork to support me. It's been really beautiful actually.

Anne
 

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I realize I sounded very unsympathetic to his wife.

she is the real victim here. This all happened a few years ago and she’s moved on to another relationship with someone who seems wonderful.

The 18 year old ended up marrying him. He made sure to text me to let me know he was still open to something with me even though he’s married. I forwarded everything to new wife and her response was to film them having sex (while screaming my name plus profanities!!???!!) and then send it to me over social media. They are so messed up. It makes me doubt everyone.
 

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@chemgirl I truly don’t have words... I am so sorry you had to go through that. Horrific.
 

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The 18 year old ended up marrying him. He made sure to text me to let me know he was still open to something with me even though he’s married. I forwarded everything to new wife and her response was to film them having sex (while screaming my name plus profanities!!???!!) and then send it to me over social media. They are so messed up. It makes me doubt everyone.

Jaw just dropped to the floor.
 

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The 18 year old ended up marrying him. He made sure to text me to let me know he was still open to something with me even though he’s married. I forwarded everything to new wife and her response was to film them having sex (while screaming my name plus profanities!!???!!) and then send it to me over social media. They are so messed up. It makes me doubt everyone.

It sounds like they're a very good match for each other, but I pity their kids.
 

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This thread is so where I am at right now. My daughter married the son of close friends we have had for 25 years. I always thought this woman was one of my closest friends but ever since the kids got together it has been a nightmare. She is classic passive-aggressive. She continually tries to put a wedge between my daughter and me. (she has not succeeded). She lies about stupid stuff continually.

I could spend a really long time telling you all the stuff she has said and done. I try really hard to just love her and be her friend in spite of it all. I don't respond or react to the hurtful things she has said and done. I don't tell anyone other than my DH and my adult kids at home. (I have to let it out somewhere). I don't tell my daughter most of it. She is in a friend group that has met for the last 30 years. Many of them see her for who she is, but I don't share with them what she has done or said. My heart was that we would be able to be there for each other for the long haul. I thought I would include her in stuff I did with my daughter. I don't think that anymore. She wants to take my place with my daughter.

I can never get away from her. If I could I would walk away and never see her again. I wish I could. I really think all of this comes from jealousy on her part. I would not want her to be jealous. It sounds awful to even say that. It is really dumb stuff. She came from a really wealthy family and ten years ago they lost everything. Her worth was based on that. DH and I didn't have that growing up so we learned how to do things. Its all so convoluted, I don't know that I could even explain it all. Its just all so incredibly painful and there is nothing I can do to change it. But I never wanted any of it. If I had my way, we would be friends that are there for one another. She was really there for our family when my son was injured in a car accident 15 years ago. When I am most upset about something I replay in my head all the kind things she did for me then. Otherwise, I would really want to give her some choice words.

A couple weeks ago, one of her sons got married. We went to the wedding. It was a weekend in another state. She said and did some hurtful things. She went to my daughter and said that I had said and done things that I did not. She lied and twisted what I said to her completely. She said and did rude stuff to both my husband and myself. I am still kind of reeling from that weekend. Trying to get over it and set it aside. But it is hard every time.

oh my that's dreadful and really heart breaking also
one day she will be a grandma to your grandkids so shed not going to ever go away
maybe what ever is wrong in her life that has made her be jelouse of you or what ever her problem is will heal and she will stop this horrible behavour but your friendship will probably never be what it was
she has got major issues
just take care not to be poisoned by her behavour
the kids will eventually see through her
 

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In response to the OP's question... no, I can't think of any time a friend has turned out not to be... but that may be in part because I'm a serious introvert and intentionally have only a few people I am close to in my life.

That said, I do have an opposite kind of story... of finding great friends when I didn't know I had them... I've recently been going through an extremely difficult time at work, and there have been a number of people come out of the woodwork to support me. It's been really beautiful actually.

Anne

Lovely to hear your colleagues value and support you! Very affirming! May your difficulties be shorted lived.

kind regards--Sharon
 

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oh my that's dreadful and really heart breaking also
one day she will be a grandma to your grandkids so shed not going to ever go away
maybe what ever is wrong in her life that has made her be jelouse of you or what ever her problem is will heal and she will stop this horrible behavour but your friendship will probably never be what it was
she has got major issues
just take care not to be poisoned by her behavour
the kids will eventually see through her

We already share two beautiful grandkids. She views everything as a competition. I don't want to compete. With the first born she desperately wanted him to call her Gigi first. I imagine she prompted him every time she saw him. I really didn't care what he called me, I thought he would just decide on his own. He was smart enough to know that we are both the same so he calls us both Gigi. It bugs her.
He calls both the grandpa's Papa but my husband is Papa Weewoo after the sound fire trucks makes.
Not long ago, she said to my daughter that she was glad she is just a Gigi and not Gigi wee woo like he calls me. My daughter told her she was Gigi Bruce after her husband. LOL. She was not happy. My daughter gets a little tired of her drama too.

Some of the stories on this thread are pretty incredible. Some strong women here. I love that about you all.
 

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Sorry to here this @missy

The only time I can think of was a really good friend I met when I was at school. She moved to the area with her husband & two very young babies. She was older than me, very wealthy husband & a mutual friend put us in touch as she needed a babysitter. Her husband was a long haul Pilot & her social life was exhausting - I spent more time feeding & putting her children to bed than I spent with my own family.

Over the years we became good friends. When she was divorcing, I was that rock. I knew her husband well, I liked him a lot, but I had to not take sides & do the best for the girls as I could. After the divorce & the girls had become early teens & able to look after themselves, we started going to pubs, parties & clubs together & my goodness, I had a wild few years! It was fabulous!

When I met Mr T, she instantly changed. Our relationship became very serious very quickly, and several times she told me I was making a mistake. It felt a bit exhausting, but I muddled on trying to rise above the nasty comments & be a good friend. The night we went out to celebrate my engagement, she was there with her now late teen girls, had a look at my ring, said congrats & made excuses to leave. Communication was sporadic after that & usually me trying to get in touch with her. The day before my wedding, she text to say she couldn't make it as the girls both had Norovirus. After that, zero replies to my calls & messages.

About 3 years later, one of the girls got in touch through Fbook to ask how I was & why I hadn't been in touch for years. We met, it was emotional. Turns out neither of them were ill on my wedding & they were excited to be wearing their new outfits, until their mum told them they were unable to go as I had over counted & had to cut some people off the guest list. They were devastated. Since then she has become a recluse. The girls have grown into beautiful young women with lovely husbands & children, whom their mother has never been invited to meet. They have no contact, but are very close to their father & to me. They say that I was more of a mother to them than she ever was. I go out of my way each year to visit the oldest girl, who lives in Cyprus with her family, and I try really hard to not judge their mother.

But still to this day, I feel hurt. She told the girls that once I had become engaged, our dynamics would change & she wasn't up for that. She wanted her single party friend back. It makes me sad, but it is what it is.
that is so sad on so many levels but telling the girls you basically uninvited them to your wedding is the pits of unforgivable behavour
how wounderful the oldest girl got in touch and you have their friendship again
 

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I realize I sounded very unsympathetic to his wife.

she is the real victim here. This all happened a few years ago and she’s moved on to another relationship with someone who seems wonderful.

The 18 year old ended up marrying him. He made sure to text me to let me know he was still open to something with me even though he’s married. I forwarded everything to new wife and her response was to film them having sex (while screaming my name plus profanities!!???!!) and then send it to me over social media. They are so messed up. It makes me doubt everyone.

Chemgirl what happened to you was horrific and I’m so sorry you went through that and the aftermath. Just awful.
 

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In response to the OP's question... no, I can't think of any time a friend has turned out not to be... but that may be in part because I'm a serious introvert and intentionally have only a few people I am close to in my life.

That said, I do have an opposite kind of story... of finding great friends when I didn't know I had them... I've recently been going through an extremely difficult time at work, and there have been a number of people come out of the woodwork to support me. It's been really beautiful actually.

Anne


Wonderful and there are some pretty awesome people out there. Glad you have them supporting and caring about you. And I hope your challenges at work are resolved soon.
 

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@chemg holy cow :cry:
that's beyound awful
and truly ugly that he then lied in your joint social group
what a slime
pity that pregnant teenager
ewww i just can't stop cringing about what he did - to your stuff - you being his friend
why on earth would he do that ?
in retrospect maybe you should have laid charges but hindsight is a wounderful thing, because he sure did not deserve your leniency

i had a work mate once i went to lunch with every day
completly platonic
turns out he was ripping the company off by using mine and other's pass words to authorize ficticouse refunds and pocket the cash
i just always thought he was flush because he still lived at home and had no serouse bills as he was younger than me
he took thousands of dollars, sometimes hundreds every day

years latter i became the cashair at my next work and i would have to investigate when the money didn't balance in the tills
people who i thought were my friends were stealing from us
in the end i was glad to get out of that little broom cupboard of an office and get back on the sales floor
it always hurt me on a personal level when we would catch a regular customer shop lifting
there is no 'type' when it comes to dishonesty and i hate how it then makes the world so untrustworthy as a result, and dishonestly homes in many ugly forms
what is wrong with people !
 

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In response to the OP's question... no, I can't think of any time a friend has turned out not to be... but that may be in part because I'm a serious introvert and intentionally have only a few people I am close to in my life.

That said, I do have an opposite kind of story... of finding great friends when I didn't know I had them... I've recently been going through an extremely difficult time at work, and there have been a number of people come out of the woodwork to support me. It's been really beautiful actually.

Anne

phew
faith restored in humanity
i hope your situation is on the improve and now you can shear good times with these supportive new friends

i serously think this is another of those threads that needs a group hug
 

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I mentioned this in a another thread recently but a close friend of mine for the past 18 months or so suddenly turned out to be literally a pathological liar. I mean, almost everything I knew about him was false or greatly exaggerated. He blatantly stole tens of thousands of $$$ from everyone he could including his now ex-fiance. His own family called me to tell me the truth when he decided we should move in together to share a flat. He was incredibly manipulative and deceitful. I have cut him off completely but feel devastated by the betrayal. :(sad
 

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I realize I sounded very unsympathetic to his wife.

she is the real victim here. This all happened a few years ago and she’s moved on to another relationship with someone who seems wonderful.

The 18 year old ended up marrying him. He made sure to text me to let me know he was still open to something with me even though he’s married. I forwarded everything to new wife and her response was to film them having sex (while screaming my name plus profanities!!???!!) and then send it to me over social media. They are so messed up. It makes me doubt everyone.

good grief
i didn't see that comming
maybe they are ment for each other
it sounds so toxic

thank goodness i don't so social media, only here and my other forum
 

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I mentioned this in a another thread recently but a close friend of mine for the past 18 months or so suddenly turned out to be literally a pathological liar. I mean, almost everything I knew about him was false or greatly exaggerated. He blatantly stole tens of thousands of $$$ from everyone he could including his now ex-fiance. His own family called me to tell me the truth when he decided we should move in together to share a flat. He was incredibly manipulative and deceitful. I have cut him off completely but feel devastated by the betrayal. :(sad

Ugh. I’m so sorry. I can understand why you feel devastated and you did the right thing completely by cutting him out of your life. Thank goodness his family warned you before you moved in together. (((Hugs)))
 

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I mentioned this in a another thread recently but a close friend of mine for the past 18 months or so suddenly turned out to be literally a pathological liar. I mean, almost everything I knew about him was false or greatly exaggerated. He blatantly stole tens of thousands of $$$ from everyone he could including his now ex-fiance. His own family called me to tell me the truth when he decided we should move in together to share a flat. He was incredibly manipulative and deceitful. I have cut him off completely but feel devastated by the betrayal. :(sad

here, cuddles from Tibby all around
how can there be so much unkindness and betrayal in the world? 20190711_115840.jpg
 

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We already share two beautiful grandkids. She views everything as a competition. I don't want to compete. With the first born she desperately wanted him to call her Gigi first. I imagine she prompted him every time she saw him. I really didn't care what he called me, I thought he would just decide on his own. He was smart enough to know that we are both the same so he calls us both Gigi. It bugs her.
He calls both the grandpa's Papa but my husband is Papa Weewoo after the sound fire trucks makes.
Not long ago, she said to my daughter that she was glad she is just a Gigi and not Gigi wee woo like he calls me. My daughter told her she was Gigi Bruce after her husband. LOL. She was not happy. My daughter gets a little tired of her drama too.

Some of the stories on this thread are pretty incredible. Some strong women here. I love that about you all.

Papa Weewoo is so cute
little kids have such innocence in their hearts
its good for you, your daughter sees the drama

that woman has serouse one upmanship problems

my SIL told me im not a real nana, im only a psudo nana because im just Gary's partner - she was jelouse because she didn't have any grandchildren of her own
i get tired of people who have to always have the last say or silly little digs at people

but anyway Gary's ex wife said that's redicoulss and me and her Tony definatly count as real grandparents
 

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I’m so sorry that so many of us have experienced pain and sadness at the hands of “friends” - I’ve been through the same stuff.

My bestie of more than a decade suddenly became a distant associate, for reasons that remain a mystery to me, and I had to learn to let her go. We are still in touch, but lightly, and I ask nothing of her. When we’re together, there is briefly ‘good old days’ energy, but it quickly fades. I respect her space and we merely text from time to time. It hurt when it first happened, and it hurts now. I’m used to it though and I accept that she has boundaries, and that her life by and large no longer includes me.

I’ve been on the other side too, in two instances. One friend is raising two sons, one of whom is a miniature tyrant, a real sociopath, and the other of whom has lifelong special needs. Her mothering responsibilities are incredible and I don’t envy her at all. I’m always available to chat with her but I’ve had to withdraw from spending time in person because her sons are so badly behaved. Now, before I’m roasted alive for being insensitive, I’m not. But there are limits to what I can tolerate, and both sons are so spoilt and rude that I just can’t stand it. I won’t allow them to destroy my home, so they aren’t invited over any more. So I chat with her by messenger and when she needs a lift to the airport, I can help. But spending time with her face to face makes me crazy. I know that she will have felt a distance between us. It doesn’t feel right to be the ‘bad guy’ either. But if I had to tell her that she’s creating another Dahmer, and that I can’t stand to watch it happen, she would be hurt, but she wouldn’t change, so it would be pointless. I’m doing the southern thing, I suppose. Loving her from afar, until her eldest goes off to college.

Another friend I decided to walk away from because she revealed herself to be legitimately Crazy. An energy vampire. Endlessly needy. She behaved like a child! She is one of those Barbie doll types, deliberately helpless, always needing rescue, never solving her own problems. She refuses to wear her car seatbelt, stay sober at Lunch, pay her income taxes, lock her house doors while away, pay her parking tickets and HOA fees, vote, scoop the cat pan for the gorgeous cat she adopted from me (see my previous thread about Tess) .... so many of the normal things that get us through our days as functioning adults, she just refused. And when the sh*t hit the fan, she needed rescuing, over and over, while complaining of how unfair she was being treated. For example, I’d been petsitting for her, for her terribly ill but very sweet dog, and finally, when she asked me to come rescue her once again, and I just couldn’t manage to make the 35-minute drive to her place while I was under the weather, she stonewalled me, wigged out, and had him euthanized. I was absolutely shocked. She demanded that I call her daily, and respond to endless texts about whatever drama she was enjoying at the minute. Finally I turned my phone off. She lost her cool when I didn’t respond! When I turned back on, logged back in, and saw the pushy whiny cajoling, I told her that sometimes I just wasn’t going to be available. That I wasn’t trying to be rude but I just shut down and needed a break from everything. I really didn’t want to hurt anyone, but I can’t spend all day and night communicating. Never heard from her again. I’m glad we aren’t friends anymore.

Sorry to have written such a novel. The thing about PS is that, since it’s not Facebook, we get to truly express how we feel. I used to be able to do that online, but now that I use Facebook for work, I can’t be authentic there. I have to be professional. And admitting that life isn’t all sunshine and roses just isn’t ok there anymore. I’m so glad to be on PS. Thanks for reading, and for being so tolerant. I’m not perfect and I have a lot to learn. But I’m willing to try.
 

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@PreRaphaelite i completly understand about your sister and your nephews
i had a huge falling out (again) with my sister when we had her son who has dysbraxia come to stay , as i have never had kids i was completely unprepared and 10 days was waaaay to long
it was my fault, she warned me but he had been so entertaining at mum's funeral i thought it would be nice and fun so we planned all sorts of excitting outtings in our new town
but aside from his special needs (which were just too weird even for me). he was naughty and he was 12 and he knew better being very manipulative and disrespectful towards me and ive had enough of that in my life- im not taking it from my sister's kid

i will not have some one kick my bedroom walls thank you very much - that was the only time in the 10 days i lost my cool, our poor house has had enough of that kind of behavour in its 70 odd years

i let her know some home truths and im sure she had been told by others but she got all upperty and started calling out our cat ??? my cat is a puuuurect little darling by the way ;)2
but a cat cannot be compaired to a human child even if i am Borris' mommy

anyway its kind of sad, maybe i should have kept my mouth shut because my sister and i have never been close and we did well together durring the funneral preperation and i even brought her a Bruce Springsteen ticket

but me and Gary were both getting a terrible virus and it had been the worst week ever and we were at the end of our tether and i know we had way too many unachievable expectations but we didn't know any better and we were tired and disapointed and sick

a teacher at his school told my sister its just a stage they go through but ive had zero to do with children since i was one myself, only hearing beautiful stories from parents about their children
and my mum just loved Bruno and him her, and i tried to do all the things mum as grandma would have done who now wasn't there to do it and he did tell his mother i did do that
 

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Okay, this is hard to admit publicly, but I am the one who ghosted friends, and for no good reason. I am an introvert with self esteem issues. I give up on people before they give up on me. With 2 major moves across the country, the physical distances made things hard for me to keep up. I could have tried harder. It was all before this entirely plugged in world of today. I kind of keep in touch, but not really, with FB with a couple of people, but that's it. We went through some rough times in the last 20 years, for many of those years. I felt like everyone had a better life than we did. Not true, but it left a deep impression. I didn't think people would want to keep hearing about it. So I stopped talking to people.
 

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Do you think social media has made things harder, when it comes to friendships? I mean, everything feels so shallow now.

Anyone else?
 

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Do you think social media has made things harder, when it comes to friendships?

If you google "impact of social media on friendships" you'll find information indicating that social media can have a negative effect on friendships. The things that have changed friendships for me during the course of my life are: moving around the country, energy-draining career, friends having kids. Social media keeps me in touch with friends who aren't geographically close but it is on a superficial level. It's difficult to maintain a close relationship when there aren't opportunities for in-person activities.
 

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what i really dislike about face book is its just too gosipy for me
its not one on one friendship

also the internet can be very narcissistic
the number of times i see my self writting I and me, im not like that in person at a
 

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Do you think social media has made things harder, when it comes to friendships? I mean, everything feels so shallow now.

Anyone else?

I think it makes it easier to stay in touch and feel like you are keeping up in a way but unless you nurture it outside of social media it is of limited benefit. However as an adjunct it is a good way to keep up with updates and see photos. I enjoy seeing photos of my friends kids and their accomplishments. It definitely fills in some gaps that are welcome and then when I see them in person I feel like I have kept up so to speak. So as an adjunct it is very useful IMO.
 

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Okay, this is hard to admit publicly, but I am the one who ghosted friends, and for no good reason. I am an introvert with self esteem issues. I give up on people before they give up on me. With 2 major moves across the country, the physical distances made things hard for me to keep up. I could have tried harder. It was all before this entirely plugged in world of today. I kind of keep in touch, but not really, with FB with a couple of people, but that's it. We went through some rough times in the last 20 years, for many of those years. I felt like everyone had a better life than we did. Not true, but it left a deep impression. I didn't think people would want to keep hearing about it. So I stopped talking to people.

I feel like this is different @lyra than at least my personal experience with being ghosted and will not speak for others as to their experiences. But you moved and things changed and you are an introvert so it really is a different situation though I don't know details so cannot say anything more about it. As for going through rough times I hear you and if people are real friends they do want to be there for you. Speaking again from my personal experience I always want to be there for my friends to ease their troubles, comfort them and just listen to them and let them get things off their chest so to speak. I understand feeling like some people just don't want to be bothered and as someone else in this thread said that is their loss Lyra. (((Hugs))).
 
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