Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no loupe?

[Supotco]

I just purchased a loose diamond from whiteflash http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3365321.htm Everything about this diamond I love except I can see a tiny speck from the side of diamond looking at the pavilion angle. I was told that the term "Eye Clean" applies to the top of the diamond, but I'm torn whether I should return it and go with a diamond that has inclusions in the middle (no speck, maybe feathers) or stick with the current one. HCA is rated 1 and I think I can hide the inclusion with the 6 prong setting that I'll be placing it in.

 

[Supotco]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

The black speck from the side with a 10x loupe. The speck is just below the gridle. Dont know why the picture is upside down

 

[Supotco]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

Another pic

 

[MarionC]

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If it is not visible from the top, then no problem, and a prong will cover it.
I had a similar situation. I had a WF VS2, but the black inclusion was just under the surface of the table and reflected so it looked like 6 or 8 tiny black inclusions. Eye-clean, but I am a louper. I loved the stone but I needed mind-clean so I exchanged it, but afterward I wished I had kept it, little wart & all.
Only you can decide if having it there will bother you If you don't mind it, it just becomes your stone's beauty spot.

edit: just checked out the link to WF. It looks beautiful!

 

[lknvrb4]

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I can clearly see the inclusion, but if you love the diamond and it can be covered by a prong then I would go for it.

 

[lknvrb4]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

I can clearly see the inclusion, but if you love the diamond and it can be covered by a prong then I would go for it.

 

[chrono]

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Once you minimize the picture down to life size, can you still spot the black inclusion?
ETA
Just realized you have the diamond in hand, in which case, I will ask this question instead - can you still see the inclusion from 12 inches away without a loupe? 6 inches away without a loupe?

 

[tyty333]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

Can you see it without the loupe? With strong enough magnification you can see all kinds of stuff.

 

[crans223]

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If it's not noticed face up, and it's only seen through the 10x loupe I wouldn't worry about it all as long as the diamond is still what you're looking for and looks good to you. Sometimes the slight inclusion (this is very small) it makes it easy for you to identify your diamond when you go to a jeweler after it's been set, etc to know exactly where it is. That being said, anything noticed from the side (especially at the 10x magnification, will be covered up by the prongs and wouldn't be too much of a concern. If you see it from the top, then I would be worried, but that's only if it's without the loupe.

 

[Supotco]

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Thanks for all your quick responses, I actually just came back from a consultation with Troy Lob from Liberty Diamonds and sat down with me for a good 2 hours. I highly recommend him if you're looking to consult and have another set of eyes on the diamond. Using his microscope, he showed me another inclusion in the middle edge of the table (very faint even with a loupe). His take on the diamond before showing him the papers was a G/H si1. He did mentioned the cut was amazing and showed me some GIA si1s that were much cleaner then mine, but the cut wasn't as good.

Once you minimize the picture down to life size, can you still spot the black inclusion?
ETA
Just realized you have the diamond in hand, in which case, I will ask this question instead - can you still see the inclusion from 12 inches away without a loupe? 6 inches away without a loupe?

I can see it from the side with a loupe at 12 and 6 inches away, but not from the top.

If it's not noticed face up, and it's only seen through the 10x loupe I wouldn't worry about it all as long as the diamond is still what you're looking for and looks good to you. Sometimes the slight inclusion (this is very small) it makes it easy for you to identify your diamond when you go to a jeweler after it's been set, etc to know exactly where it is. That being said, anything noticed from the side (especially at the 10x magnification, will be covered up by the prongs and wouldn't be too much of a concern. If you see it from the top, then I would be worried, but that's only if it's without the loupe.

I beginning to think so too, since the diamond will be on a 6 prong setting, the prong will hide it. But as Jimmianne put it, I don't have "mind clean".

 

[DiamondTo]

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Interesting I almost purchased this diamond but passed due to the inclusions. I have never seen the diamond in real life but had a strange feeling that the inclusions may be visible without a loup even though it is a VS2

This is just my opinion here based on my limited experience and information I have read here. The reason for my suspicion was due to the crystals and clouds being lumped so close together rather than spread out. Also since the grade setting inclusions are far from the table, there was a chance that these could be SI sized inclusions. Some people say the inclusion's location makes no difference to the clarity grade and some say it does. Personally I think it could depending on the inclusion.

I would sleep on it and decide based on what makes you comfortable. 18k is a lot of money.

 

[Supotco]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

Interesting I almost purchased this diamond but passed due to the inclusions. I have never seen the diamond in real life but had a strange feeling that the inclusions may be visible without a loup even though it is a VS2

This is just my opinion here based on my limited experience and information I have read here. The reason for my suspicion was due to the crystals and clouds being lumped so close together rather than spread out. Also since the grade setting inclusions are far from the table, there was a chance that these could be SI sized inclusions. Some people say the inclusion's location makes no difference to the clarity grade and some say it does. Personally I think it could depending on the inclusion.

I would sleep on it and decide based on what makes you comfortable. 18k is a lot of money.

Thanks for your input, I have an appointment with Maytal Hannah tomorrow to see her thoughts on the diamond as well. It sucks to have everything so perfect except that one spot (that probably can be hidden with a prong)!

May I ask what you ended up getting?

 

[DiamondTo]

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I went with a similar sized g vs1. You can see my older posts to see the exact diamond. Don't feel upset though, I would be doing what you are however I am located in Canada so its much harder for me. I am also working against time constraints as well.

Also I'm not a expert with diamonds or rings. So I couldnt predict what it would look like after its set.

 

[DiamondTo]

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btw what is your opinion of the color of the diamond? Does it show a lot of tint from the side?

Since you are getting another opinion on the diamond, I would be interested in knowing what he/she thinks about the diamond's color especially compared to diamonds graded GIA G.

 

[emmebee]

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I think this will always bother you.. "mind clean" is very important; you should be extremely happy with such an expensive purchase. I would return it now while you can. I agree that it is a bummer that just this one thing is making you feel this way, but I wouldn't want to always be thinking of this one "problem".

To be clear, I don't think it's a problem if you can't see it from the top, but I think that it is something that already bothers you, and I personally wouldn't want a VS2 with a black inclusion. If the person you helped you analyze the stone said it is more SI1, why don't you pay for an SI1 instead?

 

[marcy]

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If you are like me - if I know it's there I will always look for and then wish I'd bought something else.

 

[chikoo]

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I just purchased a loose diamond from whiteflash http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3365321.htm Everything about this diamond I love except I can see a tiny speck from the side of diamond looking at the pavilion angle. I was told that the term "Eye Clean" applies to the top of the diamond, but I'm torn whether I should return it and go with a diamond that has inclusions in the middle (no speck, maybe feathers) or stick with the current one. HCA is rated 1 and I think I can hide the inclusion with the 6 prong setting that I'll be placing it in.

Isn' that ridiculous? VS2 is supposed to be very slight, meaning micro particles. This looks like a mole to me.

 

[DiamondTo]

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Isn' that ridiculous? VS2 is supposed to be very slight, meaning micro particles. This looks like a mole to me.

It's probably due to all the inclusions grouped so close together
I would return it as others suggested. The cost to ship it back is insignificant to the cost of the diamond

If you look closely at the asset image you can see the inclusions combined are pretty big for a vs2.

 

[chikoo]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

Isn' that ridiculous? VS2 is supposed to be very slight, meaning micro particles. This looks like a mole to me.

It's probably due to all the inclusions grouped so close together
I would return it as others suggested. The cost to ship it back is insignificant to the cost of the diamond

If you look closely at the asset image you can see the inclusions combined are pretty big for a vs2.

Ahhh.... so they are spaced apart and therefore it is eyeclean from the top, but looking from the side, they all show up very close. Oh god!

 

[16ocean]

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Well . . . . it's good thing you bought your diamond from a vendor w/ a solid return policy. Pick the best stone one can w/ computer images and help from this forum but only -you- can determine what is "eye clean"/"mind clean" for you!

My opinion: there are a lot of diamonds out there . . . perhaps try another one and now you can communicate to the vendor abt your definition of eye clean.

Total learning process. Best of luck with your decision.

 

[Supotco]

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Thanks for your help guys, I sent the diamond back to WF, hopefully i'll be able to find a replacement soon.

I went with a similar sized g vs1. You can see my older posts to see the exact diamond. Don't feel upset though, I would be doing what you are however I am located in Canada so its much harder for me. I am also working against time constraints as well.

Also I'm not a expert with diamonds or rings. So I couldnt predict what it would look like after its set.

Awesome man, looks like you got a great diamond! Are you satisfied with the diamond?

btw what is your opinion of the color of the diamond? Does it show a lot of tint from the side?

Since you are getting another opinion on the diamond, I would be interested in knowing what he/she thinks about the diamond's color especially compared to diamonds graded GIA G.

The appraiser graded it as a borderline G-H, for me I couldnt see that much a difference with the G he had for comparison

I think this will always bother you.. "mind clean" is very important; you should be extremely happy with such an expensive purchase. I would return it now while you can. I agree that it is a bummer that just this one thing is making you feel this way, but I wouldn't want to always be thinking of this one "problem".

To be clear, I don't think it's a problem if you can't see it from the top, but I think that it is something that already bothers you, and I personally wouldn't want a VS2 with a black inclusion. If the person you helped you analyze the stone said it is more SI1, why don't you pay for an SI1 instead?

True, mind clean is important which is the reason why I returned the diamond today. I would like to stick with VS2 or above since I've seen some really clean VS2s. I just have to be patient

I just purchased a loose diamond from whiteflash http://www.whiteflash.com/loose-diamonds/round-cut-loose-diamond-3365321.htm Everything about this diamond I love except I can see a tiny speck from the side of diamond looking at the pavilion angle. I was told that the term "Eye Clean" applies to the top of the diamond, but I'm torn whether I should return it and go with a diamond that has inclusions in the middle (no speck, maybe feathers) or stick with the current one. HCA is rated 1 and I think I can hide the inclusion with the 6 prong setting that I'll be placing it in.

Well . . . . it's good thing you bought your diamond from a vendor w/ a solid return policy. Pick the best stone one can w/ computer images and help from this forum but only -you- can determine what is "eye clean"/"mind clean" for you!

My opinion: there are a lot of diamonds out there . . . perhaps try another one and now you can communicate to the vendor abt your definition of eye clean.

Total learning process. Best of luck with your decision.

THANKS!

 

[DiamondTo]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

Supotco, glad you did what was comfortable for yourself. I will get to see the diamond/ring in a few days. it's been inspected by a few family members but hopefully there will be no issues although now I am honestly concerned about the color. The diamond you sent back seemed a lot whiter than the ags H's they had in stock based on pictures I was provided. Ill provide an update on mine later this week. Ags's grading scale on color is starting to go through my mind as others here have experienced. Next time I would ask for pictures of the diamond next to GIA diamonds of similar and higher colors.

 

[emmebee]

Re: Can you see inclusions from the side with VS2 with no lo

I think you made the right decision. I'm sure you will be able to find a suitable replacement!

 

[OoohShiny]

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I think you did the right thing - even if appraisers are able to provide a compelling argument as to why a stone would be fine once set, the worries in the back of your mind would have niggled that it wasn't quite 'right' for you!

'Mind-clean' eases one's worries immensely, I have found - hence why I ended up going for VVS2, just to make doubly sure... lol