Can you PS veterans help me evaluate this stone?

[jough]

Hi everyone,
I''m a newbie here but have been trying to learn as much as I can. This site is a great resource.

Can you give me your feedback on this RB?

EGL USA
Ideal Plus (the cert says hearts & arrows)
G 2.03
SI2
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Culet: No
Flour: Faint Blue
8.15 x 8.10 x 5.01
Table: 57
Depth: 61.7%
PV: 41.0 degrees
Crown: 34.9 degrees

I emailed the vendor who said the inclusions are on the girdle but the center is "completely clean". They also said the EGL "G" is closer to an GIA "H" but apparently the blue flor helps make it look whiter (I don''t understand why that would be)

The cert: so, I know many of you will warn about EGL. Here''s my thinking: Of the 4 C''s, my priorities are carat and cut, followed by color and clarity. I''m thinking why pay extra for the paper when, because it''s a RB, I can be fairly sure I''ve got a winner just based on the numbers (and an appraisal). At least, that is my rationale. Is that good logic? And as for color, I am one of those who could live with an H so I am intentionally going after a EGL G to get more size for the same money. I already know which setting she wants, and it has pear side stones of G-H color.

If you want to suggest other stones, here''s what I''m looking for:
approx 2 ct
it''s got to sparkle (ideal cut)
eye-clean
face up white (H or better)
symmetry/polish VG or EX
under $13K

Thanks in advance for taking time to respond.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I doubt faint blue florescence will give much of a whiteness boost, but it is good that it is G since it might really be H. My big concern would be the SI2. I''d want that looked at by an independent appraiser. If it is near the girdle, it might be a feather (i.e. crack) that might be dangerous. The stone looks okay for measurements, and there have been a few people here who were able to get excellent cut EGL stones. But you usually get what you pay for, and I''d want to know the factors are that are making the price that low.

 

[agc]

The 34.0/41 combo has slight leakage under the table but is not a bad combo overall. However, I feel that holds true only if the diamond is tight as far as optical symmetry.

Finding a true ideal cut H or better 2 ct for under $13K is a tall task.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/21/2008 9:12:42 PM
Author: agc
The 34.0/41 combo has slight leakage under the table but is not a bad combo overall. However, I feel that holds true only if the diamond is tight as far as optical symmetry.


Finding a true ideal cut H or better 2 ct for under $13K is a tall task.

34.9 you mean...

jough, can you get a picture or much better yet a picture and an ideal-scope image?

 

[agc]

Date: 9/21/2008 9:50:24 PM
Author: strmrdr

Date: 9/21/2008 9:12:42 PM
Author: agc
The 34.0/41 combo has slight leakage under the table but is not a bad combo overall. However, I feel that holds true only if the diamond is tight as far as optical symmetry.


Finding a true ideal cut H or better 2 ct for under $13K is a tall task.

34.9 you mean...

jough, can you get a picture or much better yet a picture and an ideal-scope image?

Yea Karl that was my typo I meant 34.9

34/41 has no leakage and is a great combo.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 9/21/2008 5:50:13 PM
Author:jough
Hi everyone,
I''m a newbie here but have been trying to learn as much as I can. This site is a great resource.

Can you give me your feedback on this RB?

EGL USA
Ideal Plus (the cert says hearts & arrows)
G 2.03
SI2
Polish: Excellent
Symmetry: Very Good
Culet: No
Flour: Faint Blue
8.15 x 8.10 x 5.01
Table: 57
Depth: 61.7%
PV: 41.0 degrees
Crown: 34.9 degrees

I emailed the vendor who said the inclusions are on the girdle but the center is ''completely clean''. They also said the EGL ''G'' is closer to an GIA ''H'' but apparently the blue flor helps make it look whiter (I don''t understand why that would be)

The cert: so, I know many of you will warn about EGL. Here''s my thinking: Of the 4 C''s, my priorities are carat and cut, followed by color and clarity. I''m thinking why pay extra for the paper when, because it''s a RB, I can be fairly sure I''ve got a winner just based on the numbers (and an appraisal). At least, that is my rationale. Is that good logic? And as for color, I am one of those who could live with an H so I am intentionally going after a EGL G to get more size for the same money. I already know which setting she wants, and it has pear side stones of G-H color.

If you want to suggest other stones, here''s what I''m looking for:
approx 2 ct
it''s got to sparkle (ideal cut)
eye-clean
face up white (H or better)
symmetry/polish VG or EX
under $13K

Thanks in advance for taking time to respond.

1. it may or maynot be a true H&A''s according to say HRD''s strict standards. But you should be safeish with the cut looking great anyway - although it could still be badly dug out and suffer - so appraisers YES!

2. the lower price is probably because the clarity might not be SI2 at all labs - and that make a big price jump - far more than the colour people are discussing.

 

[Lorelei]

Is there a chance you could get an Idealscope image for it?

 

[jough]

They did not have an ideal-scope to send me but did send this photo. They said in an email that the inclusion at the bottom will be easily hidden by a prong. hmm.

Regardless, I don''t know how much you''ll be able to tell from this photo (its my first attempt at posting one) but the symmetry looks off to me. Your thoughts?

I may have to give up my quest for that perfect EGL USA and stick to AGS/GIA. I just really want to hit that 2ct mark.

I appreciate all your feedback. It''s already been helpful.

 

[sarah95]

I''m somewhat of a newbie and just bought my diamond from usacerteddiamonds.com. They are just one of the great vendors here, but I recommend calling them with your specifications and budget. Martin found me a GIA triple excellent within my price range and at a lower price than other vendors. Search all the recommended vendors here and you''re likely to find what you''re looking for at the price you want.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

That is a huge I1 inclusion at 5 oclock

 

[strmrdr]

This makes it a little clearer...I1...

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 9/23/2008 12:47:59 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
That is a huge I1 inclusion at 5 oclock

Yep, I don''t think a prong would hide all of it somehow....

 

[arjunajane]

Sorry but this is not an SI2 by any standard that I would regard

 

[stone-cold11]

What kind of inclusion is that?

That is too big, for a 2ct proportionally. There is no way a prong can hide that.

 

[jough]

Interesting. So I guess color isn''t the only thing EGL USA is soft on.

-jough

 

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That's an I1 inclusion if ever there was one!
So, if I pricescope your diamond entering an H for color (we will be generous and go with what the jeweler claims), and I1 for clarity we get....
EDITED/DELETED to prevent confusion!

 

[JulieN]

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3K for a 2ct?

 

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my bad - I realize I had too many screens up.

ETA: Ok I am really tired. I posted the wrong $s again. THird times the charm - I am pricescoping 2-2.1 h color, i1 clarity. It only brings up EGL stones. They are all $5600 to 7K