Can you guys give me your opinion on these numbers for a diamond...

[pavelover]

Or is it just gonna make me depressed? I have had my engagement ring for 8 months, and am happy and grateful. But something that has always bothered me is that my DH bought it at a maul store- it was a higher end store I think, but still. I had already found pricescope and knew some important things- mostly that we could find a great deal somewhere else. My guy only wanted to buy at the one place where he had a "friend" and he felt like he was being well taken care of. Honestly, the ring was more than I could have ever hoped for or expected, and I am really grateful and lucky. But I feel like maybe he was sold something that isn''t as good as it should be for the price? And I can''t let it go. Silly, huh?
Anyway, here are the numbers- I put it through the HCA thingie and it was a 2.7- Is very good really good? It says on the advisor to consider this ring if the price is right, which I know it wasn''t. Plus I am confused cause it''s a Lazare diamond and they are supposed to be the best right? Just humor me and tell me what you think- I know it won''t change anything. Thanks you guys.

Diameter 7.50 - 7.55 x 4.67 m
Total depth 62.0 %
Table size 55%
Crown angle 34.7
Crown height 15.6
Pavilion angle 41.1
Pavillion depth 43.5%

It is E in color ags .5
ags 3 for clarity vs1
ags ideal 0

Thanks again you guys

 

[Cleo]

Relax - it sounds like an absolutely beautiful diamond!!!!!!

Please don''t worry about it. 2.7 is a perfectly good score on the HCA and your diamond is certainly not a bad one. It''s perhaps just a tiny bit deeper than some people might prefer... but you have got that awesome 55% table - wow!! I would love a table that small!

Your DH will have paid a little more for the Lazare branding anyway, compared to a non-branded stone - so that''s to be expected.

You have got an amazing colour/clarity combination that most PSers would just go crazy over - E VS1 is just gorgeous!!! You haven''t mentioned the carat weight but at 7.5mm across I am drooling just thinking about it!

Finally, it''s an AGS0... amazing light return! I have an AGS0 myself and it''s just wonderful.

You have to remember that the HCA can''t see your diamond. Mine scores 0.7 and also falls outside the AGS0 box on the HCA - yet it''s still an AGS0. The HCA can only go by numbers and angles - but your diamond was graded according to its light return and visual performance.

I bet you *know* in your heart that your diamond is truly beautiful.

It sounds to me as if you are letting the numbers get in the way of you really enjoying this spectacular diamond, which is a real shame. It''s a lovely, lovely diamond and you should enjoy it!!!

Oh, and please post some photos so that we can all appreciate it too!!!

x x x

 

[Ellen]

Hi pavelover,

Well as you said, it''s a Lazare, they don''t cut horrible stones.

I don''t see anything terrible. What most likely knocked your score down was the pavilion angle coupled with the crown. Could it be a little more complimentary? Sure, on paper. Is it truly affecting the diamonds light return? Quite possibly not. We have no way of knowing for sure, but if it''s beautiful, and you love it, don''t worry about it. It''s cut by a very reputable cutter.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:28:39 PM
Author: Ellen
Hi pavelover,

Well as you said, it''s a Lazare, they don''t cut horrible stones.

I don''t see anything terrible. What most likely knocked your score down was the pavilion angle coupled with the crown. Could it be a little more complimentary? Sure, on paper. Is it truly affecting the diamonds light return? Quite possibly not. We have no way of knowing for sure, but if it''s beautiful, and you love it, don''t worry about it. It''s cut by a very reputable cutter.

Ditto. Nothing to worry about, it sounds gorgeous!!!

 

[Stephan]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:28:39 PM
Author: Ellen
I don''t see anything terrible. What most likely knocked your score down was the pavilion angle coupled with the crown. Could it be a little more complimentary? Sure, on paper. Is it truly affecting the diamonds light return? Quite possibly not.

I''d like to say that for me, not only light return is important.
For my taste, light return comes after 1) fire 2) scintillation 3) spread.
The "only" VG HCA is caused by the fact that this diamond has not the best spread, and it could have less scintillation than a shallower cut.
I tend to avoid diamonds that are cut for yield, even if GIA is helping sellers to cut that way.
The best diamond I''ve ever seen has a 0.8 HCA.

 

[Stephan]

I''m not trying to scare you, but I think that if you are ready to pay for the Lazare premium, you have the right to be requiring.
Good luck with your purchase.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:45:49 PM
Author: QueenMum
I''m not trying to scare you, but I think that if you are ready to pay for the Lazare premium, you have the right to be requiring.
Good luck with your purchase.

Stephan, she''s had it for 8 months. She was just curious about the cut.

 

[Stephan]

I didn''t read the whole thread.

Thanks Ellen!

 

[Ellen]

No problem!

 

[Cleo]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:50:57 PM
Author: QueenMum
I didn''t read the whole thread.

Thanks Ellen!

Just the first post would have been enough!

Just kidding!

x x x

 

[Allison D.]

Here''s the number that I think is most important:

8.

As in, eight wonderful months since you received your ring given from the heart from your FI.

I haven''t seen you say you don''t love the diamond, so I can only guess that you do, so.....

Stop worrying.

There is more than one right answer in life. Your FI chose to pay a premium, and for that premium, he got a good deal of peace of mind in being able to see the stone and make his selection in a way that made him comfortable with the purchase. Diamonds are so much more than just what the paper says.

Enjoy your lovely ring!

 

[pavelover]

Date: 4/23/2008 1:26:58 PM
Author: Cleo
Relax - it sounds like an absolutely beautiful diamond!!!!!!

Please don''t worry about it. 2.7 is a perfectly good score on the HCA and your diamond is certainly not a bad one. It''s perhaps just a tiny bit deeper than some people might prefer... but you have got that awesome 55% table - wow!! I would love a table that small!

Your DH will have paid a little more for the Lazare branding anyway, compared to a non-branded stone - so that''s to be expected.

You have got an amazing colour/clarity combination that most PSers would just go crazy over - E VS1 is just gorgeous!!! You haven''t mentioned the carat weight but at 7.5mm across I am drooling just thinking about it!

Finally, it''s an AGS0... amazing light return! I have an AGS0 myself and it''s just wonderful.

You have to remember that the HCA can''t see your diamond. Mine scores 0.7 and also falls outside the AGS0 box on the HCA - yet it''s still an AGS0. The HCA can only go by numbers and angles - but your diamond was graded according to its light return and visual performance.

I bet you *know* in your heart that your diamond is truly beautiful.

It sounds to me as if you are letting the numbers get in the way of you really enjoying this spectacular diamond, which is a real shame. It''s a lovely, lovely diamond and you should enjoy it!!!

Oh, and please post some photos so that we can all appreciate it too!!!

x x x

Hi Cleo,
I really appreciate you taking the time to respond- You have made me feel alot better and I do believe my diamond is beautiful in so many ways- I agree I should stop worrying and just enjoy the beautiful gift that I got! I guess it''s just the premium price that bugs me and I feel like it should be perfect for that price- although I know nothing is perfect. Thanks again for your thoughtful post.

 

[pavelover]

Hi Ellen,
Thanks alot for answering my post. I appreciate it and I know you guys don''t want me to be regretful since the ring has been on my finger for quite a while. I do have two questions for you if you wouldn''t mind answering so I could understand a bit better- and I promise I will read more on the tutorials since I imagine some of the answers are in there...but

When speaking of light return maybe or maybe not being affected, what would that mean to me a lay person who is still trying to learn- cause what bugs me is that in some lights I feel like the diamond looks kind of dark- not dark like black, but not sparkly. In some jewelry stores for example- like stores where I know they are not selling high quality diamonds, it seems like the rings in the case look better than mine-that bugs me. So also my question is that what should a person''s expectations be for how a diamond looks in different lights? Is a more perfectly cut diamond gonna look great in any light source?

And then my second question is- regarding arrows- Does your diamond have to be hearts and arrows to try to see arrows? Can you see them with the naked eye? And if you can''t see them then is your diamond not cut well? I have been dying to know this for so long and I love the arrows thread but it is soooo frustrating trying to take those dang pictures, lol.

Thank you so much for your time, again I appreciate it.

P.S. I can''t wait for the opportunity to purchase a new jewel and have then benefit of so much knowledge and help prior to purchasing.

 

[pavelover]

Thanks, Lorelei! I appreciate your comment and kindness.

 

[pavelover]

HI Queen Mum/Stephan-

I appreciate your input. Don''t worry I knew that I may hear that the diamond was not perfect- I just needed to post so I could let it go, if you know what I mean? I believe that we will still enjoy the ring forever cause my DH is really proud and I know what it stands for, and it is beautiful too- I guess I just wanted to understand more what the less desireable angles did to the ring- and if my expectations were too high. Also, I agree- for a Lazare I would expect an awful lot. Thanks for your opinion.

 

[pavelover]

Thanks Allison, for your input- yes I do love my ring and what it means to he and I. Is that correct grammar? I am a lucky woman in so many ways, so I feel like now I can put it to rest and just know that I''m gonna try and steer the jewelry purchases in the future- or maybe not? He did a great job afterall. Maybe I''ll just offer him a teensy weensy tutorial, lol.

 

[Ellen]

I''ll be honest, I really don''t like these types of questions, because I don''t want to speak negatively of a stone that isn''t going anywhere. But, I can appreciate wanting to know, for your own mind, as well as knowledge for the future. So I will answer to the best of my ability/experience.

It sounds like what you are experiencing (darkness) with your stone could be due to the crown and pavilion angles. It''s somewhat of a balancing act with them, especially when you have one on the "edge". (pavilion here) To counter the PA, it might have helped if the crown angle had been down around 34. However, that''s not always the case. GOG carries very tightly cut stones, and you can see great examples where you can have a deeper PA with a fairly high CA. But those aren''t the norm, and again, it''s really only if tightly cut that those will work. And yes, a well cut stone will look good across the board.

As for arrows, you can often see arrows without it being a true H&A cut. Yes, I can see mine with the naked eye. Just because one can''t does not mean the stone isn''t cut well. Lots of gorgeous stones aren''t H&A cut, they are but a microscopic portion of all stones cut.


I hope you can enjoy the ring, as it is still a symbol of your hubby''s love for you. And that''s most important.

And if it makes you feel any better, I wore a so so stone for 24 years.

 

[pavelover]

Thanks again Ellen- I know it seems pointless to beat a dead horse- so to speak, but I appreciate it.
I will enjoy my ring for a long time I am sure I promise. I forgot to say there are so many times when my ring sparkles like mad- it makes it really fun to brush my teeth for example, lol. And also it puts out beautiful sprays of rainbows too, especially in the car. Lots of times it does look great - so still wondering, not related to my ring per say, but are rings expected to look great in any light source, or only in some light sources? I''m gonna go practice some more picture taking right now.