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Geminian

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Weight: 1.56 carat
Color: D
Clarity: IF
Cut, Polish, Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

This is from BN so there will be no certificate. And how does the price of $37,645 sound?

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Date: 7/6/2009 5:54:41 AM
Author:Geminian
Weight: 1.56 carat
Color: D
Clarity: IF
Cut, Polish, Symmetry: Excellent
Fluorescence: None

This is from BN so there will be no certificate. And how does the price of $37,645 sound?
Hi Geminian

Well it looks very promising by the numbers, thats about all we can say without images but these proportions should be pretty '' safe.'' If you want a large D IF then this one could be a definite contender. BN are competitive on price, you can compare using the Pricescope your Diamond tool above to check out prices of similar.
 
Thanks for the reply. Now I have come across another diamond from the same vendor:

Weight: 1.50 carat
Color: D
Clairty: VVS1
Cut: Ex
Polish: Ex
Symmetry: Ex
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Inscription: H&A

Using the HCA, the score is 0.7 and, apparently H&A, the diamond appears to be of very high quality. Can you, however, tell me:
1. What "Indented Natural" on the certificate means?
2. Would the medium blue fluorescence greatly affect (i) the look, & (ii) the value of the diamond?

This diamond is some $10,000 cheaper than the one above and looks like good value. What do you think?

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A magnified view:

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Numbers look good to me.

Indented natural means the original rough skin of the stone is not polish off. At VVS level should be negligible and un-noticeable.

Medium blue fluor, most likely you will not notice it in most situations. Only in the presence of UV light will there be a soft blue glow, personal preference, some like it some don''t, but in trade it is discounted, I think around 3-5% for MB at the colorless level.
 
Date: 7/9/2009 1:30:07 AM
Author: Geminian
Thanks for the reply. Now I have come across another diamond from the same vendor:

Weight: 1.50 carat
Color: D
Clairty: VVS1
Cut: Ex
Polish: Ex
Symmetry: Ex
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Inscription: H&A

Using the HCA, the score is 0.7 and, apparently H&A, the diamond appears to be of very high quality. Can you, however, tell me:
1. What ''Indented Natural'' on the certificate means?
2. Would the medium blue fluorescence greatly affect (i) the look, & (ii) the value of the diamond?

This diamond is some $10,000 cheaper than the one above and looks like good value. What do you think?
Geminian,

Before we go into your specific questions I want to make sure you are very confident in your choice of the 4 Cs.
Your requests have led you to the ideal "Mind Clean" Diamond but you could get a much bigger stone from a trusted vendor that would still be eye clean and icy white given your budget.

Now after reading what I give you you may still want the "ideal diamond" d colour IF clarity but you should understand noone will be able to tell its an IF. In addition it will be very difficult to tell its a D even if an F was very close to it in the most critical lighting.


This video is great for understanding about colour in round diamonds:

1) This video is great for understanding about colour in round diamonds: https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/blue-fluorescence-in-diamonds.117782/
Diamonds with colour D E and F will be indistinguishable from each other even in the most critical lighting conditions. Take a look at the video and decide if you really need to be paying the huge premium for a D coloured stone.

2) I would read a little about clarity here https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/clarity-eye-clean-definition-interpretation-and-taste.30483/ John Pollard''s first post can put it in perspective for you.

3) Your question about fluoresecence can be well answered here https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/blue-fluorescence-in-diamonds.117782/

4) If I had a 36,000 budget and wanted a really a nice white, with a great cut and Guaranteed Eye Clean Diamond I would go to whiteflash.com or briangavindiamonds.com and speak to them and let them help you make your choice. You could get a 2-3 Carat diamond for that money, a good gemologist will choose for you a really faceup white diamond, eye clean and will get you 3 Carats for that kind of money. While still staying in the colourless range you can go down to an F colour and get a very nice eye clean VS1 or VS2 and even go down to SI1 and you still will not be able to notice any inclusions.

5) I am sure other posters can critique the stones you have chosen but if you really want a "mind clean" stone you should focus more on Cut and get a super ideal cut like a Hearts and Arrows ACA from Whiteflash or a Brian Gavin Signature.
 
CCL, that is a great post - well done!

Geminian has posted in the past and the fact that he can get a larger diamond if he lowered colour and clarity has been pointed out to him, so it appears it is his preference to stick with high grades.
 
Date: 7/9/2009 1:30:07 AM
Author: Geminian
Thanks for the reply. Now I have come across another diamond from the same vendor:

Weight: 1.50 carat
Color: D
Clairty: VVS1
Cut: Ex
Polish: Ex
Symmetry: Ex
Fluorescence: Medium Blue
Inscription: H&A

Using the HCA, the score is 0.7 and, apparently H&A, the diamond appears to be of very high quality. Can you, however, tell me:
1. What ''Indented Natural'' on the certificate means?
2. Would the medium blue fluorescence greatly affect (i) the look, & (ii) the value of the diamond?

This diamond is some $10,000 cheaper than the one above and looks like good value. What do you think?
Yes this one has potential if you still prefer very high colour and clarity.

Indented natural should not be an issue in VVS. Medium Blue fluorescence, you might not even notice any effects from it, sometimes colourless stones are discounted, might be a slight discount for medium - usually strong or above.
 
Thanks both CCL and Lorelei. I appreciate the comments, and will go to the websites recommended by CCL to have a look.

The diamond is for an engagement ring. Believe it or not, my girlfriend actually has no tastebuds for diamonds and this will be her first diamond ring. She hasn''t bought or requested one any time earlier. So, I wish to buy her one that is special and long-lasting. Lorelei might recall, previously I had in mind two 1.63 carat diamonds (i.e. identical weight), one D-FL and one D-VVS1, USD15,000 difference. I procrastinated a bit in making up my mind and went on a business trip. When I returned, both were gone.

A 2-carat or 3-carat would be too big for my petite girlfriend and I''m sure she would go for some discrete, inner beauty rather than a big "wow".

These two diamonds are new founds. Both have excellent numbers in HCA. Another big price difference. Now I have to make up my mind again.
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