Can the EGL Report (non usa) actually lie?

[pickles]

Hi All,
I''m new to Pricescope and hoped I could get some advice on a gem report for a diamond.
It''s graded by EGL Europe, and from what I''ve seen here, the cert # means it''d be Israel.
My question is in regards to the actual mapping shown on the report for the clarity.
The report says it''s SI2, but on the mapping it shows one small inclusion near the bottom left of the stone (not too far from where the prong would sit), and two very small inclusions in the same vicinity - both are marked in red.
I''ve had a look at what a GIA report shows for a SI2 on their gem maps, and they seem (on average) to show more inlusions or larger ones.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Can the EGL Europe folks actually lie about what shows up at 10X?

I''ve just become quite nervous about the EGL diamonds from what I''ve read here..

Thanks in advance

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 5/8/2008 9:39:18 PM
Author:pickles
Hi All,
I''m new to Pricescope and hoped I could get some advice on a gem report for a diamond.
It''s graded by EGL Europe, and from what I''ve seen here, the cert # means it''d be Israel.
My question is in regards to the actual mapping shown on the report for the clarity.
The report says it''s SI2, but on the mapping it shows one small inclusion near the bottom left of the stone (not too far from where the prong would sit), and two very small inclusions in the same vicinity - both are marked in red.
I''ve had a look at what a GIA report shows for a SI2 on their gem maps, and they seem (on average) to show more inlusions or larger ones.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Can the EGL Europe folks actually lie about what shows up at 10X?

I''ve just become quite nervous about the EGL diamonds from what I''ve read here..

Thanks in advance

Lie is perhaps too strong.
http://journal.pricescope.com/Articles/42/1/Diamond-Grading-Labs-%e2%80%93-A-Plan-for-Peer-Review.aspx I showed this stone described here to EGL Israel CEO at the GIA Symposium in 2006 and he was happy with the grade.
That is their standard, and the market prices them accordingly.

You can learn more about pricing for various labs here http://grading.pricescope.com/

So it all kinda'' works, unless you are an unsuspecting consumer.

BTW I never had any uptake from the trade on establishing a peer review. Go figure........

 

[arjunajane]

Maybe not so much Lie, but sugar coat is more appropriate..

 

[neatfreak]

Date: 5/8/2008 10:08:56 PM
Author: arjunajane
Maybe not so much Lie, but sugar coat is more appropriate..

That''s a good way to put it. They often will grade very kindly...

 

[pickles]

Thanks for posting those pictures, and the accompanying EGL report. That''s exactly what I was looking for.
Also, I apologize for using the word "lie". I guess, I wasn''t sure how to express it, and unfortunately that''s what came out!

Does anyone have any opinion on if EGL Europe has gotten any stricter in their grading over the years? The report was dated April 2007.
Also, does anyone disagree with this stone (I''ll post full specs below) costing $2100?

1 ct Radiant
5.7 - 5.42 x 3.79 mm
Total Depth: 69.9%
Table Width: 66%
Crown Height: 14%
Pavillion Depth: 54%
Girdle: Med Polished
Cutlet: None
Flour: None
Clarity: SI2
Polish: VG
Symmetry: VG

 

[Lorelei]

Pickles, we can''t tell much by the numbers, so ask the vendor for an ASET image and detailed photos of the diamond, otherwise there is no way to tell how it looks, unless you have seen it and love it. Also make the sale final on this diamond checking out with an independant appraisal. What is the colour grade?

 

[denverappraiser]

EGLI can call anything they want any grade they want. This is true of every lab. The key is that you don’t have to care. SI2, in particular, does not mean the same thing at every lab and they do not all use the same scales nor do they all apply them equally. It’s a mistake to assume that EGLI-SI2 means the same thing as GIA-SI2 and it’s an equally bad mistake to try and make a conversion chart to handicap the various labs by some linear formula. A similar issue applies to color. If you want to buy a stone based on the GIA grading system, stick with GIA paperwork. AGSL is generally very compatable in their clarity and color gradings but mostly people choose them because they prefer the cut grading scales.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

 

[pickles]

The color grading is G.
Denverappraiser: Thanks for your honesty.
I believe I''ve already fallen in love with it, although I''ve never seen it in person. I''m just going to bite the bullet, thankfully the vendor has a very good return policy.
Cross your fingers for me!!

 

[vespergirl]

Hi Pickles, my stone is an EGL and it''s a great stone. It''s a 2.01 ct H&A RB G SI1, and the only thing that I could say about the cert is that it may be closer to a low G - high H color, but the value was great & I loved the stone, so I''m really happy with it. Good luck, and I look forward to seeing pics!