Can someone show me the size difference in pointers?

[sgc3301]

I want a really small, delicate halo for a pear shape. I'm approving the CAD today and there are 1 pointers in now but for some reason they seem too big. Does any one have an example of half pointers and/or one pointers so I can compare?

 

[Alexiszoe]

not sure if this would help, but the ring in my avatar pic has 0.5 to 0.6 pointers each in the halo, with a center stone of 3 carats. Like you I wanted something extremely dainty, and found 1 pointers too large for me.

 

[Christina...]

not sure if this would help, but the ring in my avatar pic has 0.5 to 0.6 pointers each in the halo, with a center stone of 3 carats. Like you I wanted something extremely dainty, and found 1 pointers too large for me.

I think you mean .005's. 1 pointers would be .01's

 

[Christina...]

I want a really small, delicate halo for a pear shape. I'm approving the CAD today and there are 1 pointers in now but for some reason they seem too big. Does any one have an example of half pointers and/or one pointers so I can compare?

I think that you should keep in mind that your CADS are going to look a lot bulkier than the actual ring will, but that said I think that most halos are done with stones .01 or less. How large is your center stone?

 

[sgc3301]

It is a pear shape. 1.90 carats. 10.15 by 6.65.

 

[Christina...]

I don't have a lot of experience with CADs or with halos so I'm sure that someone better qualified will come along. Can you post the CADs? Is it definitely the size of the melee that your concerned with or could it be the amount of metal surrounding the melee?

 

[Alexiszoe]

not sure if this would help, but the ring in my avatar pic has 0.5 to 0.6 pointers each in the halo, with a center stone of 3 carats. Like you I wanted something extremely dainty, and found 1 pointers too large for me.

I think you mean .005's. 1 pointers would be .01's

LOL, thanks for catching that! I don't even know how I passed math :p

 

[Gypsy]

Let's see the CADs. Also how big is your center (measurements). And Going down to half pointers with CAD and CAST can result in a lot of metal. Usually if you want melee that small you are better off with hand forged.

I have 1/2 pointers in my halo. And I used to have 1 pointers.

My stone is 5.86 x 5.87

One point halo with single cut melee:



Half point halo with full cut melee:

 

[madelise]

Let's see the CADs. Also how big is your center (measurements). And Going down to half pointers with CAD and CAST can result in a lot of metal. Usually if you want melee that small you are better off with hand forged.

I have 1/2 pointers in my halo. And I used to have 1 pointers.

My stone is 5.86 x 5.87

One point halo with single cut melee:



Half point halo with full cut melee:

Wow, I really like the comparison for the single vs. full cut! What a difference!

 

[Christina...]

not sure if this would help, but the ring in my avatar pic has 0.5 to 0.6 pointers each in the halo, with a center stone of 3 carats. Like you I wanted something extremely dainty, and found 1 pointers too large for me.

I think you mean .005's. 1 pointers would be .01's

LOL, thanks for catching that! I don't even know how I passed math :p

You should watch me try to do math homework with my 12 yo! Not pretty!

 

[sgc3301]

My diamond is pear shaped measuring 10.15 by 6.65. My big concern is my gf doesn't love big halos and but seems to love the delicate "bloom" of the tacori rings she has seen. I have called some tacori vendors and they said tacori uses 1 pointers. Gypsy, I seem more inclined to like your .005er. What do you mean single cut and full cut melee? My jeweler is reluctant to make the halo smaller, saying I will see more metal (prongs I guess) then diamond and I would be better off with no halo. The diamond is big enough and there are two side stones totaling .60 carats so I'm not worried about finger coverage or making the center look bigger. It really was about giving it a classic, artistic look that accents the center not overpowers it.

 

[Gypsy]

Have you read this? [URL='https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/custom-jewelry-work-cad-and-cast-psa.175834/']https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/custom-jewelry-work-cad-and-cast-psa.175834/[/URL]

If your jeweler says going with a smaller point size is going to be a mess, then he means it. He's telling you the limits of his skill level. If you want to work with him, then you need to understand his constraints. That said, even our best CAD people on PS would do better with 1 point pave than 1/2 pave. Setting stones that small is very difficult and requires a very high level of skill. My half point halo was hand forged and then set by Steven Kirsch who is a pave expert. And there is a reason that, out of all our vendors on here, I chose him. The only other vendors I would have asked to do my halo are Victor Canera and Mike R. And they both hand forge as well, and are pave experts too. My original one point halo was set with stones of that size because the person doing the halo could not go smaller than 1 point, she didn't have the skill or the talent to do the finer work that 1/2 pointers require, even though that was originally what I wanted. It's not a skill that is common at all. And if done badly it will be a mess. I wouldn't force a jeweler to use 1/2 pointer if they don't have the comfort with it, and your jeweler does not.

That said, with the size of your center, IF your jeweler can minimize the metal as much as possible (so V-cut pave not bright cut) 1 pointers should be fine, in terms of melee size.

Tacori uses melee smaller than one point for some of their settings, depending on the style and the center stone size.

How much is your jeweler charging you for your CAD pave?

Also if you post the CAD maybe we can help you figure out how to get it looking better.


Full cut and single cut are irrelevant for you, it's just a note for others looking at the pictures. So I wouldn't worry about it.

 

[sgc3301]

thanks Gypsy! I did read your CAD PSA and it didn't strike a chord until my jeweler expressed concern with going less than one pointers. I am being charged 2500 for the setting all-in. Here is the first CAD I got. We changed the halo to have no breaks and the v prong is smaller and there are now 4 prongs that are smaller.

now here is the second CAD i got. I wanted the side stones angled a little less at 45 degrees so you see less of the band when looking from the top. you'll see that in the third and final CAD here:

 

[Gypsy]

The halo has a lot of metal. And so does the setting in general. And that is going to be one CHUNKY ring. If your lady wants delicate: that's not the ring for her.

 

[sgc3301]

i agree the it looks very chunky but she wants a basket with some kind of design on it as she wants the ring to look good from the side as well as opposed to just prongs with the three stones. the delicate part is supposed to be the halo. where do you see a lot of metal in the halo? I'm new to this so all I see is the center and the halo. where can I cut down on the metal?

this is what i'm trying to get it to look like...

 

[Gypsy]

Yeah. You've got the wrong design there. Entirely.

You can have a lovely design from the profile as well as the side without all that chunk. And the halo and the metal...

Does she want a three stone with a halo? First. Then I'll help you with the rest. That profile has to go though, and be replaced with something beautiful and delicate. It's like a superbowl ring as it is now.

This is how the pave you have is going to look, when it's finished. See all the metal around all the stones.

 

[Gypsy]

The metal work in the profile is WAY to heavy and boxy.

Look at this Tacori. Follow the red line and you'll see how the gallery tapers. Also look at the cut outs in the metal. See how large they are-- how open and delicate (like lace) it makes the design on the profile look? Yours will look nothing like this.

 

[Gypsy]

Your ring, from the CADs are they are, is going to looking nothing like Tacori. What it is going to look like is a Beaudry copy. That's the style of the ring in the CAD

This is Beaudry and this is the style that your ring (only all one color metal) is going to come out if you stick with the current CAD. So make sure she likes this style (it's very distinctive but either you love it or you hate it) http://www.pearlmansjewelers.com/jewelry-designers/beaudry-jewelry/rings/ If you are going to continue on this path.

 

[Gypsy]

Here's an actual Pear Tacori halo ring with a beautiful profile. See again how the gallery tapers down, how rounded it is, it isn't a box that goes straight down to the finger. And how open the cut outs are. And how it's lacy?

And then look at the halo, see how little metal it has showing?

http://www.michaelcfina.com/engagement-wedding-rings/engagement-rings/tacori-platiunm-pear-diamond-setting-2620-PE-MD-P.html???

You can zoom in on the picture of it. See how different it is to yours?

 

[sgc3301]

wow. ok. crap. you're telling me that the halo is going to be surrounded by metal? here are some photos from the original CAD. the halo doesn't look as metallic as the one you're showing me. (minus the large prongs we are changing) and


people have said the CAD is bulkier so I just assumed it would be more wide open. I might need to piss off the jeweler some more and tell him to stop the presses. I've been such a pain that I think he might actually fire me. She definitely wants a three stone ring. She likes the more "antique" basket look because it's something to admire when not looking at the ring from above. She is not a fan of "traditional" halos as she thinks they take away from the center. She does like a lot of the halos from tacori because they add an artistic, custom look to them. I found a tacori with pear side stones that seems to fit her description. She doesn't want a tacori per se but I used it as an example and I think the jeweler went with it and make a bad knock off. this is the one i'm going off of.
http://www.since1910.com/engagement/tacori/tacori-engagement-ring-with-pear-shaped-and-pave-side-diamonds-2624ov-ps1278.aspx

again, I really care more about the three stones, the way it looks from above and a design that looks nice from the side. let me know what you think...i'm very interested to read your thoughts on what you think i should do...

 

[Gypsy]

Here's the Tacori:

The focus of the whole ring is on delicacy. See all the cut outs, they make the metal light and lacy. Not heavy and boxy. See the taper of the basket under the halo, how it tapers to the bottom of the shank. See the cut outs. See the shank it'self how it has a cut out? That's to cut down on the appearance of the metal.

 

[Gypsy]

Okay so here are my thoughts. The final CAD is better. Add some cut outs to the profile of the shank so it's not solid metal.

The metal pear shaped boxes under the pear sidestones. Take them away. Have those pears set on the shank with prongs coming out to hold it from the shank itself.

Have the gallery under the pear taper more, less box. Instead of those diamond shapes with the diamonds in them. Have the cut outs match the scallopy ones on the shanks. If you set diamonds in there set them into marquise shaped bezels instead of diamond/square ones.


SHOW the jeweler this picture as a NO:


Then show him this one as a YES (except for the giant prongs holding the center):

 

[sgc3301]

wowow. that is amazing. did you just do that? here's the one thing: how can I make that work with pear side stones? this tacori has the pear sides but even this basket isn't as delicate as yours! I've seen this ring in person and it doesn't look as metallic as in the picture. what are your thoughts on this and the angles of the side, the design, etc...

 

[sgc3301]

sorry, gypsy. i wrote that last post before you responded. which CAD are you referring too? the final one for me is the one with the computer image with blue, green and red on the ring. or the final CAD i posted just now which shows a "picture" of the side?

 

[Gypsy]

This is the final I'm referring to:

 

[Gypsy]

Okay so... here is the pic you posted.

See how the gallery under the pear is NOT a box. I've outlined it in red (badly but still). It's rounded and tapers almost all the way down to the shank. NOT BOXY. And the cut outs there are like lace.

The other areas I've pointed to in red show cut outs in the shank that make the entire thing lighter than yours.

 

[sgc3301]

Thank you!!! I'm going first thing in the morning to rework this. I had just assumed the CAD was just bulkier but seeing what you're pointing out and showing me that pear has opened my eyes. Thanks again.

 

[Chloegal]

Gypsy, I have followed both your rings and just want to say that you are AMAZING! You are such a wealth of information and you explain it so clearly. Thanks for all your patient sharing!

 

[sgc3301]

Just went to my jeweler and he showed me some 1.3 mm diamonds. I felt like a fool for thinking they were going to be too big. Gypsy, I showed him the "no!" halo picture. He said it will absolutely not look like that. He said there will be no metal seen other than the prongs which he is v-cut setting as you said. As for the carriage, I showed him the more delicate picture you provided. He said he can do it no problem but said it might look awkward with the side stones. I showed him the picture you used the red pen on and he said the only problem is that picture has a smaller stone and it is oval not pear. Long story short (too late) he offered me to look at the wax mold before I "blew up" the design. He says if I don't like it, we'll start over. I'm wondering if I am trying to do too much with the stone I picked. I'm trying for a basket setting with a halo and side stones for a tcw of 2.7. How can I avoid there being a lot of metal? Hopefully I like what I see and I can wrap up this 4 month process! Gypsy, do you think the basket you showed me is doable with side stones?

 

[Gypsy]

Gypsy, I have followed both your rings and just want to say that you are AMAZING! You are such a wealth of information and you explain it so clearly. Thanks for all your patient sharing!

Thank you very much Chloe. You really made my day.