can I get the experts'' opinion on this emerald diamond?

[b5s4]

I came across this forum yesterday while doing research on diamonds. I''ve been looking for 2-3 weeks now (mainly at blue nile and mondera) and thanks to this forum discovered jamesallen.com. I really like how you can see an actual image of the diamond for sale and after doing a search here I liked the one recommended in a previous thread:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Premium-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1140952.asp
however I really fell in love with this:
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/F-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Emerald-Diamond-1140004.asp
It met my basic criteria: f color, ideal cut, vs1 clarity so there isn''t any visible inclusions. I don''t know a whole lot on this subject so I''m wondering if the depth and table percentages check out okay. they are 67.2% and 64%, respectively. Also the girdle is "medium to thick" and the culet is none and again I''m not sure if that''s where they should be (especially for the girdle). I know specs aren''t anything and the image itself really won me over so I thought I''d post here and get opinions from more educated people about this. I really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

 

[Ninama]

I'm sorry I can't advise you on this diamond - I'm sure you'll get helpful responses, though. I just wanted to say that the JA photo of that EC makes me want to dive into it's center and go swimming. MMmmmmmmmm...

 

[b5s4]

thanks for posting an image. I didn''t know how to. The other thing I forgot to ask is the gia report for that diamond says it has "crystal, feather" clarity characteristics. What does that mean?

 

[Lorelei]

Welcome to Pricescope,

It looks like a really pretty diamond, you can't judge these shapes by the numbers, they can only be used as a guide. But this diamond's depth and table look fine to me, it looks to be a lovely diamond. Medium to thick is fine for the girdle. Also the clarity characteristics should be fine in VS1, the staff at JA will be able to advise you there. A crystal and feather are types of inclusions.

Here is a chart which can be used as a guide to find a well cut EC, but please do not get hung up on the numbers, otherwise you can miss out on a perfectly suitable diamond!

http://diamonds.pricescope.com/fnc2.asp

 

[marcy]

It looks like a lovely diamond.

 

[b5s4]

thanks lorelei and marcyc. I''m going to have it appraised locally and go from there but I really have a good feeling about it. One more question for you if you don''t mind. The setting that she really likes is from Hannoush jewelers. I saw it and it is nice but overall I''m not a big fan of Hannoush (especially after doing a search here). Would you recommend I purchase the setting from them and have a different jeweler place the emerald cut diamond? or just have Hannoush do it?

 

[strmrdr]

Do you have an IS image?
Crown height?
JA can provide both.

 

[strmrdr]

btw have it put on hold while your getting the info.

 

[b5s4]

I don''t have either the is (i''m assuming you''re referring to ideal scope?) image or the crown height. I will ask for both tomorrow and to have it placed on hold. Thanks for the advice!

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/4/2008 12:04:56 AM
Author: b5s4
I don't have either the is (i'm assuming you're referring to ideal scope?) image or the crown height. I will ask for both tomorrow and to have it placed on hold. Thanks for the advice!

Yes, ASET is better for fancy shapes, but JA do not offer that.

 

[b5s4]

I talked to a really friendly salesperson at james allen this morning and he emailed me some detailed specs on the diamond. What do you all think? I have to resize the is image and I''ll post that next

 

[b5s4]

Here is the is image of it. Does it get the price scope seal of approval? Thanks again for all of your input.

 

[strmrdr]

buy it, I would

 

[dbsdiamonds]

Hi there,

For the weight, color and clarity with also ex/ex on polish and symmetry it is the best option out there for this budget range.

Marty
CEO/Pres
www.dbsdiamonds.com
www.diamondsatcost.com

 

[girlie-girl]

I think it''s really pretty and would go for it!

 

[b5s4]

Wow thanks everyone. 3k is exactly what I wanted to spend so when I saw it I thought it was too good to be true. I''ll be sure to post pics of it when it''s in the setting. Speaking of that, the setting she wants is from hannoush jewelers. Would you recommend I have someone else place the stone or just have them do it?

 

[Lorelei]

It looks good on paper too - grab it!

 

[b5s4]

quick update for everyone. I''m having it appraised on tuesday but someone in my area recommended here and will most likely buy it! I am concerned about the setting though. Here''s a pic of it:
https://www.hannoush.com/newstore/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=647
It looks much nicer in person but I''m concerned about a F color diamond against the side stones. I''m guessing the side stones are H or even I in color. Would this be a problem?

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/8/2008 9:39:52 AM
Author: b5s4
quick update for everyone. I''m having it appraised on tuesday but someone in my area recommended here and will most likely buy it! I am concerned about the setting though. Here''s a pic of it:
https://www.hannoush.com/newstore/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=647
It looks much nicer in person but I''m concerned about a F color diamond against the side stones. I''m guessing the side stones are H or even I in color. Would this be a problem?

Generally the experts recommend you stick to 2 colour grades or less between centre and side stones, so I wouldn''t anticipate a problem, but you could certainly check with the seller of the setting as to the side stones of your particular setting.

 

[b5s4]

Well I forgot that she likes rectangular diamonds and the length to width ratio of 1.27 for this emerald cut might not be enough so I'm also looking at this:
http://www.whiteflash.com/emerald/Emerald-cut-diamond-1200293.htm#
. Report: GIA
. Shape: Emerald
. Carat: 0.88
. Depth %: 64.4
. Table %: 65
. Girdle: M-SLIGHTLY T
. Measurements: 6.73-4.80X3.09
. Polish: Excellent
. Symmetry: Excellent
. Culet: None
. Fluorescence: None
I like the size (I actually wanted to get around 1ct but she wanted around .75 so maybe this is a compromsise

). Is the table being slightly larger than the depth a cause for concern? They both fall under 1a for the aga numbers on emerald cuts. I will call white flash tomorrow and hopefully they can also provide an aset image.

 

[Lorelei]

ASET would be useful as we can't tell my numbers so much, so post the image when you have it! Is the first diamond still in the running? It looks lovely!

 

[b5s4]

It''s in the running it just doesn''t have that classic rectangular shape for emerald cuts due to the 1.27 l/w ratio and I remember she said she really likes the rectangular design more so than square cut.

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/11/2008 9:25:16 AM
Author: b5s4
It''s in the running it just doesn''t have that classic rectangular shape for emerald cuts due to the 1.27 l/w ratio and I remember she said she really likes the rectangular design more so than square cut.

Ok, I look forward to seeing the details when you get them for the other diamond.

 

[b5s4]

Well unfortunately someone bought the .88ct diamond so I''m back to searching. I did find out that ags does offer a performance cut grade for emeralds like they do for princess and round cuts.
http://www.diamondworld.net/contentview.aspx?item=1979
I would like to find one of these instead of a gia certified emerald. An ags 0 emerald would be great!

 

[b5s4]

I have been looking at a .91 ct d vs2 emerald cut. I''m very concerned about the crown height. I had whiteflash call it in and here are the specs:

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 8/13/2008 4:48:20 PM
Author: b5s4
I have been looking at a .91 ct d vs2 emerald cut. I''m very concerned about the crown height. I had whiteflash call it in and here are the specs:

not one I would consider crown is too low and the table too big.

 

[b5s4]

Here is the is, aset, and magnified image of the diamond. What do you all think? I''m leaning towards no but obviously value all of your opinions. Luckily I''m not in any rush so I''m more inclined to take my time and find the "perfect" one. I do like the rectangular shape so the ratio did fit the bill but anything over 1.4 should be fine.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 8/11/2008 1:21:06 PM
Author: b5s4
Well unfortunately someone bought the .88ct diamond so I'm back to searching. I did find out that ags does offer a performance cut grade for emeralds like they do for princess and round cuts.

http://www.diamondworld.net/contentview.aspx?item=1979

I would like to find one of these instead of a gia certified emerald. An ags 0 emerald would be great!

There are 0 ags0 emerald cuts on the market and it is no guarantee its a good one as they don't consider patterns.
I find the the emerald and SE grades useless.

 

[b5s4]

Karl,
thanks for replying. I've been reading through your posts for more information. Just for a quick refresher, ideally table should be smaller than depth with table being 59-64% and depth being 60-66%? On this previous diamond, I'm confused about the table being 74.9% on the gia report it stated 66%. Why is there such a large difference?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 8/13/2008 4:54:30 PM
Author: b5s4
Here is the is, aset, and magnified image of the diamond. What do you all think? I''m leaning towards no but obviously value all of your opinions. Luckily I''m not in any rush so I''m more inclined to take my time and find the ''perfect'' one. I do like the rectangular shape so the ratio did fit the bill but anything over 1.4 should be fine.

Its nice for a large tabled low crown emerald cut but not one I would consider for those reasons.