Can certain inclusions actually increase the value?

[kenny]

I hear garnets, trigons and other fascinating or beautiful things can occasionally be found in diamonds.

Has anyone known of an *increase* in value from such a thing.

 

[strmrdr]

Id pay more for a nice big eyevisible red garnet in a diamond over the price for that clarity grade but not an insane amount.
maybe one clarity grade higher maybe 2.

 

[kenny]

Imagine inclusions of a pattern that sort of was shaped like a heart, or her first initial.

One in a million, sure - but it could happen.

 

[RockDoc]

Unusual inclusions do increase the value of a diamond.

But not in the general market where consumers buy diamonds.

The market is a unique market of collectors that have an interest in those types of inclusions.

This isn''t just for diamonds either.

I am a piece of amber with a great image of a mosquito inside, that is so good you can even see the hairs on his legs.

I think GIA just purchased Dr. Gublein''s collection that includes an amber with two scorpions inside.

Years ago I had a chance to buy a large one with a lizard inside it.

I have some diamonds with unusual inclusions in them.


Storm, you be outbid by real collector''s in a heartbeat, if you were only willing to pay an amount equal to one clarity grade.

Inclusions tell such history related to the pet rock.

Rockdoc

 

[strmrdr]

Iv seen a few amber pieces with bugs they are way kewl.
They are on my someday list.

 

[Cehrabehra]

do you guys have any pictures of these cool inclusions? in diamonds that is - I''ve seen bugs in amber ala jurassic park lol

 

[denverappraiser]

A store I worked in once had a big I-2 diamond cut in the shape of the state of Texas with a big garnet inclusion right where Dallas should be! It took a while to sell but, for the right customer, that inclusion was the whole point of the stone.

Neil Beaty
GG(GIA) ICGA(AGS) NAJA
Professional Appraisals in Denver

 

[WinkHPD]

At the office I have a book called "The Internal World of Gemstones" if memory serves me correctly. It has a picture of a .02ct diamond with a cloud shaped like a valentine heart. I imagine it is worth a WHOLE lot more than an ordinary I1 diamond of .02cts.

Wink

 

[Ausmerican]

I''m quite a novice and tend to believe what people tell me, so with that being said, when I got my independent appraisal for insurance purposes, the woman who valued my ring told me that it''s one inclusion is actually a miniature diamond. I didn''t (and still don''t) know if that''s possible, but it was endearing to think that the actual fault of my diamond was another diamond itself. To my knowledge she didn''t value it any higher, but nonetheless it was a bit unique, as she said it was only the second or third one she had ever seen.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/10/2006 9:04:42 AM
Author: Ausmerican
I''m quite a novice and tend to believe what people tell me, so with that being said, when I got my independent appraisal for insurance purposes, the woman who valued my ring told me that it''s one inclusion is actually a miniature diamond. I didn''t (and still don''t) know if that''s possible, but it was endearing to think that the actual fault of my diamond was another diamond itself. To my knowledge she didn''t value it any higher, but nonetheless it was a bit unique, as she said it was only the second or third one she had ever seen.

they are fairly common and I wonder why she has seen so few,,
Many inclusions listed as crystals are actualy little diamonds.

 

[Ausmerican]

Maybe she wasn''t accustomed to valuing diamonds? She seemed to work closely with a lot of pearl retailers, so I suppose she could primarily work with them. Or maybe she was just trying to make me feel special!

 

[RockDoc]

Date: 9/10/2006 2:07:28 AM
Author: Cehrabehra
do you guys have any pictures of these cool inclusions? in diamonds that is - I''ve seen bugs in amber ala jurassic park lol

This is "Pet Rock with a Pet"

I said before he was a mosquito. Forgot I''ve been told he is a gnat.

Photo (C) 2005 Consumers Gem Lab.

You asked for it.

 

[strmrdr]

kicken rockdoc

 

[RockDoc]

It''s really amazing how well he''s preserved given when the amber formed.


In Jurassic Park the bug amber was a graphic. Speilberg can borrow him from me if he makes another film, and have the real "Mc Coy" for the next one.

Wonder if there is dinosaur DNA in this pet''s bloodstream......

Rockdoc

 

[phoenixgirl]

My diamond has two trigons, I believe, right by the girdle. When I had the diamond appraised by the kindly man whom I met on the train once (owns a jewelry store here), he excitedly showed them to me with the loupe and told me that's how I'd always know it was my diamond. But as far as I can tell, they are just extra facets, not foreign material. My reaction was more, "Oh poo, more evidence that my diamond doesn't have the greatest cut," not, "Oh, hurray! I'll be positive my stone hasn't been switched!" But the jewelry seemed really jazzed about them. Maybe I'm wrong about their makeup.

This is the bigger of the two (center stage, below the girdle).

Edited: Wait, maybe I'm wrong about what the trigon is. Upon closer inspection, I just saw that within the triangular small facet that I took the picture of, there is a little triangle with the point up that is clearly not a facet. It almost looks like somebody inscribed a little triangle there. I have a vague memory of the jeweler drawing me a picture of it as he explained to me how cool it was -- a trigon within a trigon or something. I'll try to get a picture but I kind of doubt it'll come up. It's near the top of the triangular facet, with the top point of the interior trigon hitting the girdle a little right of center.

I got the sense that the jeweler didn't think of them as flaws. Otherwise, I doubt he would have set them each visibly (there's another smaller one on the opposite side) and drawn me enthusiastic diagrams.

 

[phoenixgirl]

OK, I could see it in the full size photo, but I had to cut down the size to get it to post. Here goes nothing . . .

 

[phoenixgirl]

If this doesn''t work, I give up . . .

 

[SSam]

In a diamond course I did they showed us a picture of a diamond with an inclusion that looked like the face of jesus as well as a diamond with what looked like the star of david. needless to say these diamonds were very valuable despite not being particularly good diamonds!

 

[pyramid]

Phoenixgirl Do you know how thick the girdle would be at that portion where the first triangle makes it look a lot thinner than the rest of the diamond's girdle?

As too thin a girdle can be a durability issue for chipping.

 

[mdx]

A complete crystal

Johan

 

[phoenixgirl]

Date: 9/11/2006 8:35:22 AM
Author: Pyramid
Phoenixgirl Do you know how thick the girdle would be at that portion where the first triangle makes it look a lot thinner than the rest of the diamond''s girdle?

As too thin a girdle can be a durability issue for chipping.

I don''t know, but I''ve had it appraised twice and it never mentioned a thin girdle. The first said, "girdle: slightly thick, frosted," and the second said, "medium to heavy unpolished girdle, 3 extra facets and 1 trigon" with a little triangle drawn on it.

 

[pyramid]

Hi Phoenixgirl

I don''t know about it, it is just that it reminded me of this picture. Maybe the experts would know.

 

[pyramid]

Phoenixgirl: I was reading the thread again and it says it was a razor thin girdle which chipped on that diamond, so your diamond is probably different.

 

[JulieN]

cool picture, MDX

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 9/11/2006 4:49:26 PM
Author: mdx

A complete crystal

Johan

way kewl
thank you!

 

[mdx]

Hi Storm

Based on your earlier post I think you may like this one.

The inclusion is a red chrome pyrope-garnet.

It’s actually only one inclusion that is reflecting in the neighboring 3 facets

I will see if I can find a few more interesting ones on the weekend. I know I have an image of a Ruby Inclusion (very rare) and also a ferro nickel complex inclusion

Johan

 

[strmrdr]

awesome!! thank you!!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 9/13/2006 6:08:57 AM
Author: strmrdr
awesome!! thank you!!

I second that! I think these are really interesting and fun to look at!