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Date: 7/31/2008 2:54:58 PM
Author: WishfulThinking
I can''t believe that there was a time when thesis topics were assigned! I am not sure how that would work, exactly, but it sounds awful. At my college we have a running joke that the theses are so intense to complete that everyone HATES their topic by the end of it. That makes me sad since I love my topic, and am interested in maybe following through on some more complex research along the same lines if I do a PhD. Anyways, I can''t imagine having to work so hard and for so long on something someone else told me to write. It''s bad enough writing a paper on something I don''t want to write about. I''m glad for most of our 20-30 page length papers for classes that our profs let us choose. I am very stubborn about stuff like that.![]()
Since I am undergrad we don''t have grants or funding [at least not at my college], and get pretty much free reign as long as we can find an advisor with suitable experience to advise us in it. Since I believe princess'' program was also undergrad, I was surprised they had assigned them on the undergrad level at all. Most people I know who did senior theses got to pick their topic, even at other schools, but I haven''t talked to a ton of people, so I am not sure whether that is the norm.Date: 7/31/2008 3:46:06 PM
Author: dockman3
Date: 7/31/2008 2:54:58 PM
Author: WishfulThinking
I can''t believe that there was a time when thesis topics were assigned! I am not sure how that would work, exactly, but it sounds awful. At my college we have a running joke that the theses are so intense to complete that everyone HATES their topic by the end of it. That makes me sad since I love my topic, and am interested in maybe following through on some more complex research along the same lines if I do a PhD. Anyways, I can''t imagine having to work so hard and for so long on something someone else told me to write. It''s bad enough writing a paper on something I don''t want to write about. I''m glad for most of our 20-30 page length papers for classes that our profs let us choose. I am very stubborn about stuff like that.![]()
Just wanted to give you a bit of insight into how my topic was ''assigned''. I have no idea how it works in the humanities, but in engineering, I picked my adviser and he only has funding from a couple of grants that he has written. I had my ''choice'' of working on one project or the other, and this one sounded more interesting. But basically, it wasn''t really a choice. I am getting a little sick of my topic after just over 2 years now and I''m itching to be done. This is actually the third project I''ve worked on in my graduate career. I started on one, but the funding ended on that, so I went to another one and the funding dried up there. Finally, I landed on this project, which he happened to get funding for 3 years, which was perfect, because I wanted to be done in three years from that point. That was about 2 years ago, so I''m in the last year of a three year grant right now.
That''s just a little insight into how things work in my world. I''d be interested to hear how it works in your program?
I agree. Marriage "rituals" [bachelor/bachelorette parties, vows, what people wear, etc] such a difficult thing to calculate in terms of same sex couples of both sexes, since there is sadly a lack of information available. It is further complicated because many couples'' unions are difficult to record due to their lack of legality and visibility in a wider context. However, I would field a guess that many same sex couples decide not to replicate the more gender-specific activities such as bachelor/bachelorette parties due to concerns of conforming to traditional gender roles. Or maybe that is just the gender studies queer-folk I know and their heightened awareness of those things. It is also likely that couples that do conform to more traditional heterosexual gender roles, such as butch/femme relationships, might have more traditional approaches. I think of off the top of my head a rather embarrassing example- Shane and Carmen, both female have separate "bachelorette" parties, but Shane''s is more of a traditional bachelor party. If couples have mostly friends in common I would guess it is common to have a single celebration with everyone there [we are probably taking this approach.] I think it might be a more wild card tradition with no specific tradition in place, now that I''ve written all of that wishy-washy speculation. I would field another guess here as well: once same sex marriage is more prevalent and legal, more concrete traditions will arise to accompany them and make room for the fact that both people in the married couple are of the same sex.Date: 7/31/2008 9:34:07 PM
Author: princesss
Wishful, there is so much heterosexism surrounding it that it''s crazy. I really would have loved to be able to focus on the bachelorette party for a lesbian couple. Is there an equivalent, even? I don''t know, that''s where I really got fascinated, but I didn''t have enough time to do original research (or enough friends getting married).
And our anthro department started my sophomore year, so they really only had a year (now that I think about it) where topics were assigned. Before that, we were just a part of the sociology department, and I''m not sure what they did. I guess they realized that students were thriving in independent research classes (one girl created a class on sex tourism), and the ease of having students research the same topic wasn''t worth the lack of interest.
Date: 7/31/2008 3:46:06 PM
Author: dockman3
Just wanted to give you a bit of insight into how my topic was ''assigned''. I have no idea how it works in the humanities, but in engineering, I picked my adviser and he only has funding from a couple of grants that he has written. I had my ''choice'' of working on one project or the other, and this one sounded more interesting. But basically, it wasn''t really a choice. I am getting a little sick of my topic after just over 2 years now and I''m itching to be done. This is actually the third project I''ve worked on in my graduate career. I started on one, but the funding ended on that, so I went to another one and the funding dried up there. Finally, I landed on this project, which he happened to get funding for 3 years, which was perfect, because I wanted to be done in three years from that point. That was about 2 years ago, so I''m in the last year of a three year grant right now.
That''s just a little insight into how things work in my world. I''d be interested to hear how it works in your program?
Date: 7/31/2008 9:56:29 PM
Author: WishfulThinking
Date: 7/31/2008 9:34:07 PM
Author: princesss
Wishful, there is so much heterosexism surrounding it that it''s crazy. I really would have loved to be able to focus on the bachelorette party for a lesbian couple. Is there an equivalent, even? I don''t know, that''s where I really got fascinated, but I didn''t have enough time to do original research (or enough friends getting married).
And our anthro department started my sophomore year, so they really only had a year (now that I think about it) where topics were assigned. Before that, we were just a part of the sociology department, and I''m not sure what they did. I guess they realized that students were thriving in independent research classes (one girl created a class on sex tourism), and the ease of having students research the same topic wasn''t worth the lack of interest.
I agree. Marriage ''rituals'' [bachelor/bachelorette parties, vows, what people wear, etc] such a difficult thing to calculate in terms of same sex couples of both sexes, since there is sadly a lack of information available. It is further complicated because many couples'' unions are difficult to record due to their lack of legality and visibility in a wider context. However, I would field a guess that many same sex couples decide not to replicate the more gender-specific activities such as bachelor/bachelorette parties due to concerns of conforming to traditional gender roles. Or maybe that is just the gender studies queer-folk I know and their heightened awareness of those things. It is also likely that couples that do conform to more traditional heterosexual gender roles, such as butch/femme relationships, might have more traditional approaches. I think of off the top of my head a rather embarrassing example- Shane and Carmen, both female have separate ''bachelorette'' parties, but Shane''s is more of a traditional bachelor party. If couples have mostly friends in common I would guess it is common to have a single celebration with everyone there [we are probably taking this approach.] I think it might be a more wild card tradition with no specific tradition in place, now that I''ve written all of that wishy-washy speculation. I would field another guess here as well: once same sex marriage is more prevalent and legal, more concrete traditions will arise to accompany them and make room for the fact that both people in the married couple are of the same sex.
I would love to do more research on this, but my legal self begins to fight with my social sciences self and I can''t decide whether I want to focus on making marriage legal for everyone or tearing the institution down in all of its historically oppressive glory. Joking, mostly, but I bet you''ll understand what I mean.
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Selkie-Date: 8/2/2008 1:57:50 PM
Author: Selkie
Dockman, are you familiar with the online comic PHD? There''s one strip in particular that reminds me of your experience (and that of pretty much every science grad student I know).
We sound very much alike. I agree completely about the legal side "winning". For me it might be more of a temporary win, since after I get my law degree or preferably simultaneous to it, I hope to be able to pursue the more academic/activist side of these issues of gender and sexuality through the feminist theory and queer theory lens. I am really looking forward to this academic adventure, as geeky as it sounds!Date: 8/2/2008 2:12:59 PM
Author: princesss
Date: 7/31/2008 9:56:29 PM
Author: WishfulThinking
Date: 7/31/2008 9:34:07 PM
Author: princesss
Wishful, there is so much heterosexism surrounding it that it''s crazy. I really would have loved to be able to focus on the bachelorette party for a lesbian couple. Is there an equivalent, even? I don''t know, that''s where I really got fascinated, but I didn''t have enough time to do original research (or enough friends getting married).
And our anthro department started my sophomore year, so they really only had a year (now that I think about it) where topics were assigned. Before that, we were just a part of the sociology department, and I''m not sure what they did. I guess they realized that students were thriving in independent research classes (one girl created a class on sex tourism), and the ease of having students research the same topic wasn''t worth the lack of interest.
I agree. Marriage ''rituals'' [bachelor/bachelorette parties, vows, what people wear, etc] such a difficult thing to calculate in terms of same sex couples of both sexes, since there is sadly a lack of information available. It is further complicated because many couples'' unions are difficult to record due to their lack of legality and visibility in a wider context. However, I would field a guess that many same sex couples decide not to replicate the more gender-specific activities such as bachelor/bachelorette parties due to concerns of conforming to traditional gender roles. Or maybe that is just the gender studies queer-folk I know and their heightened awareness of those things. It is also likely that couples that do conform to more traditional heterosexual gender roles, such as butch/femme relationships, might have more traditional approaches. I think of off the top of my head a rather embarrassing example- Shane and Carmen, both female have separate ''bachelorette'' parties, but Shane''s is more of a traditional bachelor party. If couples have mostly friends in common I would guess it is common to have a single celebration with everyone there [we are probably taking this approach.] I think it might be a more wild card tradition with no specific tradition in place, now that I''ve written all of that wishy-washy speculation. I would field another guess here as well: once same sex marriage is more prevalent and legal, more concrete traditions will arise to accompany them and make room for the fact that both people in the married couple are of the same sex.
I would love to do more research on this, but my legal self begins to fight with my social sciences self and I can''t decide whether I want to focus on making marriage legal for everyone or tearing the institution down in all of its historically oppressive glory. Joking, mostly, but I bet you''ll understand what I mean.
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Completely. I''m really at war with myself on it, too. There is so much about weddings that is ridiculous. About the only thing that really makes sense in weddings is joining two people that love each other. I think my legal side wins, though. I think you''re right that as same-sex marriage becomes legal in more states, more solid traditions surrounding the same-sex wedding will emerge. How much fun will that be from a social science perspective? I''m jealous of all the students that will get to do anthro/gender/queer studies work as this progresses. SO COOL! I think it could provide a much-needed wake-up call for some pre-wedding traditions, too, and just change the way the whole ritual is seen. Awesome awesome.
Hey Katamari! Good to see you again! I''m glad that the conference went well. I love going to conferences. Its such a nice break and you just get to sit back and enjoy yourself and immerse yourself in your field. I''m sure you''ll be fine with your paper and get it submitted on time.Date: 8/7/2008 11:17:01 AM
Author: katamari
Dockman: Glad to hear that you found your constant! That IS a major breakthrough! Have you gotten to talk to your advisor about it? Hopefully the theory behind the .5 will come to him and you can plot along.![]()
I do have two questions for you: 1) since you had your topic quasi-assigned that becomes your dissertation, does this pigeonhole you as a researcher? Does this have to be your focus for the rest of your career? I am fascinated by this? And 2) Did you decide if you were proposing in Yosemite or not? (Just curiosity FYI).