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1000cranes

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The diamond search tool makes my head spin...TOO MANY choices.

I would like to buy a diamond with the following specs:
~0.75 carat
Ideal Cut-Round Brilliant
54% to 56% Table
60% to 62% Depth
VS1
Color = I Dont Care.
Polish/Symmetry = Excellent/Excellent

With Certification papers ofcourse.

Price: I''m willing to pay a fair price for the above specs.

Thanks in Advance,
Daniel
 
Lower cut quality..hmmm...well yes if the stone still looked great. Maybe I''m being to picky but seeing a few stones under a microscope those flaws sure do stand out. With a VS1 I''m almost sure there will be minute flaws.

Thanks Again,
Daniel
 
Wait a minute....I didn't say to compromise on lower CUT quality, sorry if I misread you, you won't ever find a PSer telling you to do that, but the clarity you could go lower and still have a clean diamond. Maybe for your comfort level you are best staying at VS1, if it is what you feel most comfortable with.
 
I have found VS1 and VS2 are pretty close on clarity even under a microscope. That was the clarity I looked for too. VS2 "could" save you money over a VS1. I found that on a round stone if you keep the inclusions near the edge or at least off to the side of the table, it makes them difficult to spot even under magnification.

As for color, I think the other responses are correct. Although it is not your priority, it should factor into the decision. You could get a bigger stone for lower cost with lower color, but if you go too low you run into yellow.
 
you said in another post you were thinking of spending $4k for the ring....

so since you want around .75c that actually gives you a fairly high color and clarity with a basic solitaire setting for $4kish, so you have a great budget.

james allen has a ton of stones that fit this criteria, here is one that looks particularly promising:
https://www.pricescope.com/origin.asp?sh=88&id=367&prc=3477
0.80c F VS2 GIA ideal cut stone for $3500. you could get a plain solitaire platinum setting for around $500 or less and call it a day!

there is also this one which is a little smaller but cheaper as well at niceice:
https://www.pricescope.com/origin.asp?sh=88&id=1447&prc=2925
0.70 G VS2 GIA ideal cut stone for $2900. that leaves $1k for the setting if you wanted something more elaborate.

wink has this one at his site as well (sorry no link)
0.78 G VS2 H&A 61.9% 56% 34.8° 40.9° m-slt f no ex ex no 5.90-5.93x3.66 GIA $3335

there were a lot of stones returned in the search to me but i am super picky about numbers and parameters to get a stone, so these three fit my bill but the first one at james allen is my favorite. it has cherry specs and the price is right and the size is just a wee bit bigger than .75c so it's a little over and you still have $$ to get a nice setting.

i wouldn't go higher than VS2 because with a good GIA or AGS you know it's a strong grade so don't overspend on clarity...work with a vendor you can trust to eyeball clarity for you and get you close up magnified pictures of the diamond. i have a diamond that is an SI1 and it is just as 'eye clean' as a VS1 i once had. and a F or G stone is a great color for someone who isn't SURE what their color threshholds are....especially that first F VS from james allen, colorless, a bit bigger than you wanted and ideal cut? i'm all over it. hehee.
 
Date: 8/24/2006 4:26:50 AM
Author: Lorelei
Wait a minute....I didn''t say to compromise on lower CUT quality, sorry if I misread you, you won''t ever find a PSer telling you to do that,

Date: 8/24/2006 7:04:47 AM
Author: Giangi
I don''t get it. What does ''Color: I dont care'' mean? You mean even a K would fit you? Cause I think color would be more apparent than a VS2 sized inclusion. Just a tought.
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responding to these two... first I consider myself a PSer and I would tell someone to compromise on cut quality IF *their* 4C priority list had size first and color second and they really didn''t *care* about the cut... I might not do that, but we all compromise somewhere and if someone else really wanted a cheap huge ring I''d tell them to go for it...

on the second one, I have a thing about clarity... now my range is VS2 but even then I''m a bit nervous... I''d consider an SI1 but I kinda doubt I''d ever find something in that range that I''d be mind clean about. I''m open, but skeptical. Color might be obvious but some of us actually PREFER the warmer colored stones. I''ve looked at DEF stones and I''ve looked at JKL stones and I prefer the latter group. So yeah it would be more obvious, but that''s not my flaw. If this guy doesn''t care about color, it''s lowest on his priority list just like it is for me.
 
Mara you ROck!!

I think that first stone is the one. I''m going out to dinner tonight with my lady. I think Mr. J Allen will be getting a call from me soon.

Thanks for all the help everyone.
Daniel
 
Mara what happened the price of the rock jumped to $3660.... It''s as if they new i wanted it...lol

Daniel
 
oh 1000 cranes, the $3500 was the ''pricescope price'', make sure to ask for it when you call James Allen!
 
"blush"

oh buy the way whats a "cloud"?

thanks again,
daniel
 
That''s a great diamond, with awesome numbers. You are going to love it! Ditto about the pricescope discount...it''s about 5% with the bank wire price, but you have to ask for it. Isn''t it great being a pricescope member? Can''t wait to see pictures of your future diamond.
 
Date: 8/24/2006 1:09:24 PM
Author: Mara
there were a lot of stones returned in the search to me but i am super picky about numbers and parameters to get a stone, so these three fit my bill but the first one at james allen is my favorite. it has cherry specs and the price is right
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Date: 8/25/2006 2:44:39 AM
Author: kcoursolle
That''s a great diamond, with awesome numbers.
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Sorry 1000,

I don''t mean to hijack the thread but I was wondering if Mara or kcoursolle would be willing to share the particulars of "the numbers"? Does this forum offer the ability to PM(personal message) other forum members so that we can take this off-line?
 
Different people have different preferences.
 
I am still learning rounds, and Julie is right that people have different preferences. Some folks here would be fine with a depth of 59 because it allows for more spread, while others would be fine with a depth of 62.5 because it is possible they can still have killer light performance even though they face up a little small. I'm sure Mara will chime in on her preferences.

Mostly what I was referring in this instance is that a diamond with depth of 60-61% will have a decent spread without compromising on potential cut quality, a table of 55-57 will allow for a balance of brilliance/fire... and with the "right" crown and pavillion numbers, at least VG/VG polish/symmetry, and no visible inclusions, it has potential to be a killer diamond. For crown and pavillion numbers, to me the 34.4-34.9/40.4-40.9 combo seems to look pretty nice to my eyes in pics, HCA (under 2/not under 1), and overall appearance. Some people prefer tighter crown/pavillion angles and more trained eyes might be able to see visible differences.

Actually though, I would probably be less picky when picking my own diamond. I would definitely accept a depth of 62, but I would want to pay a little less since it will look smaller than it's carat weight. I would probably also consider a depth of 60.2-60.5 just to get that extra bit of spread in as long as the other specs were complimentary. I would definitely go with a diamond with only good polish or something else minor that would bump it into a premium cut quality ranking versus ideal because it would probably be a little cheaper since it was not "ideal."
 
hi dill...

my spec range is kind of narrow, surely there are beautiful diamonds outside of the range, but i feel more comfortable buying within this range especially virtually/online, especially since there are SO many great diamonds out there...i figure why not be picky? hehe.

anyway, my specs are table between 55-57 (but ideally 55-56); depth 60-62 (but ideally 60's rather than 61-62 just for visual spread); crown angle 34.4-34.9 and pavilion angle 40.7-40.9, EX or ID polish and symm. that first stone is right up my alley, i love the specs. 1000cranes, let us know if you get more information like idealscope or images of the stone.
 
Thanks kcoursolle and Mara for the responses. Soo much more to learn. lol
 
Date: 8/25/2006 2:28:14 AM
Author: 1000cranes
''blush''


oh buy the way whats a ''cloud''?


thanks again,

daniel
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Cloud as I know it, would be a grouping of small inclusions. Could be several pinpoint inclusions that make a circle.
 
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