CAD images for my David Klass Ring

[Maisie]

I have received my cad image from David. I think it looks pretty good but I’m worried I’m missing something. I would love to hear what you all think

First the inspiration photos I sent. Then the setting I own which is the perfect height off my finger. Then the cads.

 

[lovedogs]

I think this looks fantastic, but I am horrible at "reading" CADs so I likely am not the most helpful person for critiques!

 

[Rfisher]

Did you want basket design of #3 or # 4?
Are the shoulders supposed to be solid or pierced?

It's a pretty design you have going!

 

[Maisie]

I think this looks fantastic, but I am horrible at "reading" CADs so I likely am not the most helpful person for critiques!

I always have to ask for help lol!

 

[Maisie]

Did you want basket design of #3 or # 4?
Are the shoulders supposed to be solid or pierced?

It's a pretty design you have going!

I wanted the number 3 basket. I think the way it has been done looks nice but I will ask about the other one. I need to ask about the shoulders! Thank you

 

[twang07]

Hi I think the cads and the inspiration are very close and they look wonderful but here are a couple of points now that the "3D rendering" of all the components has shown me. I'll start with by saying that I'm not the best at this. So here it goes!

1) Counting the number of grids it seems like the metal around the bezel is something like ~1.83mm wide on each side. Did you want that much metal around the stone? I'm eyeballing the bezel inspiration but I think it is less of a % than the diameter on either side. Maybe something more on the order of 1-1.5mm? (~15-20% extra metal versus ~25-29% extra metal relative to the diameter of the center stone). Right now from the top down view the width of the halo+diameter looks like ~10mm. Just something to think about, if this speaks to you then feel free to ignore my comment. FWIW if I had to estimate crudely the bezel in the inspo is somewhere like just shy of 20% from the following angle, but this is really crude. It definitely does slope down so I don't really know how this maps to the CAD.I suspect that the slope downward will make the metal longer but by how much really depends on the angle. I think it'd be worth asking about it though just to be sure .



2) Looking at the 3D rotations of the CAD. It doesn't seem that this would equal "cut outs" and from the side it will look like the point comes from a flat edge, like the cvb ring but with a rotated octagon. I had guess I read the cutouts mean that these anchor points be reversed (circled here)



In order to achieve this I think you'll have to make the "kite" more narrow and join it to the bottom of the basket and bring the bottom connections up. Tried to illustrate it here (poorly but I hope you get the idea).



Something like this side view but having a more pointed connection with the basket?



Another option would be just to flatten it out the kite to more of a trapezoid and have it attach more underneath the bezel. Something probably that would look more like this when looking at the front.


I was eyeballing this but I think this halo illustrates what 20-25% "width" relative to the stone might look like. I hope all of this made sense, not the best describer. I'm estimating it with a drawing that looks like this (obviously imperfect lol).


The final option if you like the cuff coming up into a kite would be to rotate the octagon and this would be the orientation of my ring. That being said points definitely don't need to meet flat edges if this speaks to you. It's just not my interpretation of what was discussed in the last thread.

3) I'm not really sure where the cuffs comes up on your finger but that would be the last measurement to check so that if you envisioned those cuffs being more towards the center of your finger that the length of the whole thing I just traced is the right length.

4) personally I like the aesthetic of this basket much more since there's more "open space" to really help light penetrate through the basket. That's just my 2c!

But if you were to desire your other basket, and the cuffs and the cutout. I think rotating the bezel and integrating the basket with this type of design would also work except with more petals and less metal
https://www.instagram.com/p/BXi9LUGjwXY/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=blgm2vgh5vt

 

[twang07]

Just to reiterate the goals of these images were to inspire a set of words into an example of what those words might mean. I'm better with visual examples hence I wasn't sure my circling and drawings would communicate my intent.

 

[msop04]

I think it's pretty spot on from the inspiration photos. Is there anything you'd like to tweak?

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I really like it! I can't tell if he has a very slight curve to the shoulder pieces or not, but I would want a very slight curve. I actually love everything about it other than the gallery. I really think there are better gallery choices. I think with the halo that wide, I might want engraving and milgrain on it.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I just had an idea. How about putting struts on the three front and back sections, and then put an open, single diamond design in each section. This is not a good example by any means, but look at the side stones and you can see the orientation I am talking about. I think a geometic design works better with your octagon.

 

[BlingDreams]

I think most of it is lovely, but he has the shoulder attachment backwards; he has the center tip attaching at the top and the side tips going down, but your inspiration photo has them all attaching at the same height and some channeling done to define their separation and giving the design some depth. Here’s another photo that may help show what I’m trying to say.



It doesn’t look bad as it is, but since you noted that you wanted your ring to have that exact top-down view I thought I should mention it.

 

[sledge]

They didn't get the shoulder pieces right. From what I recall, those are supposed to extend up to the top bezel and terminate precisely at the point the bezel changes direction. I think it's best shown in the side view. Look below. The red pieces need extended to the bezel. The orange piece is already extended. However, I am curious the correct size of the triangle cut outs. On my chicken scratch, the triangles are barely visible, but I think you want them bigger than that IRL.



Also, if I understood you correctly, you wanted the bezel from #3 so that is not correct either. They need to add the vertical supports on each side and change the inside shape as I've tried to demonstrate below. The yellow is dog ugly in my chicken scratch but supposed to represent the engraving & milgrain that you want on the sides of the vertical struts.

 

[sledge]

I actually think the vertical struts need to move in a little bit. If so, it creates some small gaps on each side. Maybe add some curls in there (showed in red -- look at right side as I botched left side pretty good). Again, yellow looks like poop but is supposed to represent milgrain and engraving on the struts.

 

[Maisie]

Thank you so much for your opinions. I’m going to try and communicate them to DK. Wish me luck lol! This is not my strong suit

 

[sledge]

When I was working with DK they strongly suggested marking up drawings like above and sending back. Sometimes I would add additional word descriptions to further clarify my point.

In short, I tried to break it down to the most simple way possible. And sometimes I would try to go in order of details that made sense -- you know, put toothpaste on brush, then brush teeth, etc.

If I wasn't sure about something I'd say I like X but I'm concerned it may not work because of Y.

 

[Maisie]

When I was working with DK they strongly suggested marking up drawings like above and sending back. Sometimes I would add additional word descriptions to further clarify my point.

In short, I tried to break it down to the most simple way possible. And sometimes I would try to go in order of details that made sense -- you know, put toothpaste on brush, then brush teeth, etc.

If I wasn't sure about something I'd say I like X but I'm concerned it may not work because of Y.

I shall do that. Thank you for your help!

 

[the_mother_thing]

@Maisie I think a lot of the same thoughts I had are already covered above. BUT one ... are the changes suggested what YOU want? I actually think I prefer how he did the shoulders (looks more feminine to me). But this is YOUR ring - not ours. You are commissioning & paying for it, you will wear it, and YOU have to love it.

 

[rockysalamander]

I like the shoulder he did in terms of the shape of the cut-out and alignment with your first inspiration and makes the tri-wire flow perfectly to the shoulder? But, is this what you want now? If not...

Posting another picture of the shoulder that was the inspiration. The struts on the sides are thicker top to bottom than the cutout. The cutout is recessed in the struts. The top of the cut-out and struts should meet the shoulder/bezel UNDER the bezel...not on the side (right hand red line with arrow should align with under-lip of bezel; see below).





I would keep the rounded structs like the CAD so the tri-wire makes sense.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

Maisie, you are getting a lot of advice. I do not like at all what sledge did with the gallery. I don't think that works at all with the rest of the design. The shank and shoulders look perfect to me. I think the gallery part is the only thing that needs to be improved.

 

[BlingDreams]

I like the shoulder he did in terms of the shape of the cut-out and alignment with your first inspiration and makes the tri-wire flow perfectly to the shoulder? But, is this what you want now? If not...

Posting another picture of the shoulder that was the inspiration. The struts on the sides are thicker top to bottom than the cutout. The cutout is recessed in the struts. The top of the cut-out and struts should meet the shoulder/bezel UNDER the bezel...not on the side (right hand red line with arrow should align with under-lip of bezel; see below).





I would keep the rounded structs like the CAD so the tri-wire makes sense.

Thank you. You showed this with much more clarity than I did!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

If she wants a tri-wire shank, she has to have the low two pieces attaching to the head. If she wants the shoulders to include the side pieces, then she needs a plain shank that goes under the shoulders to the head. Very hard to explain with words!

 

[LLJsmom]

@Maisie

Are you sure you want the shoulders recessed that way with the sides sections rising up? It draws the eye away from your center stone. At least it does for me. It may look interesting as a design option but will you like what it does to how the eye perceive the ring on a daily basis? Just wanted to make sure you consider that.

 

[Maisie]

I’m getting really confused. It doesn’t take much lol!

I’m in agreement with @diamondseeker2006 that the only thing I would change is the gallery. The images and talk of changing the shoulders is what I don’t understand. I’m sure I should. But I can’t work out what I’m supposed to change.

I really like the gallery on this ring.

 

[twang07]

If I understood correctly, but maybe I'm getting confused now..

As the CAD is drawn now, the top down actually will look more like the CvB ring, and not like the inspiration top down (2). Something like this (but will look much more refined than these photoshops).



If you want the top down to look more like number 2, you'd have a side view that looks something more like this, I think.


Of course if you like the sides as they are now, then just know that IRL the top down will have shoulders/cuffs more like the zoe (but a rotated bezel). You'll still want to slightly alter it such that the connection is happening UNDERNEATH the bezel.

Here's my pic (higher quality pic) from Caysie of my ring, just imagine a rotated bezel. This will be more true to the top down inspo.



And how the CADs drawn will look from the side but with the EW "kite" that I tried to put in between the lines. There will be no need for a cut-out.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

@twang07 Not that we want to copy it, but would you please show a side view of your ring? I'd like to see how the gallery looks and how the top and bottom are connected. Thanks! It is really gorgeous!

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I’m getting really confused. It doesn’t take much lol!

I’m in agreement with @diamondseeker2006 that the only thing I would change is the gallery. The images and talk of changing the shoulders is what I don’t understand. I’m sure I should. But I can’t work out what I’m supposed to change.

I really like the gallery on this ring.

I like that gallery on that ring, too, but I don't see it on the octagonal head.

 

[twang07]

@twang07 Not that we want to copy it, but would you please show a side view of your ring? I'd like to see how the gallery looks and how the top and bottom are connected. Thanks! It is really gorgeous!

Of course any angles you think you'll need to see just let me know!
Sides (flat)


Side from the other angle. I'm not sure about the quality of this.


I found a CAD that I saved (hopefully more clear).

 

[diamondseeker2006]

@twang07 Thanks! That's really where Caysie excels. She makes the gallery complementary to the rest of the design.

 

[Maisie]

I have an octagon halo and the gallery is similar to the one I posted. I think it can work.

 

[sledge]

Hey @Maisie, do you understand what many of us are saying about the shoulders? I certainly hope so.

The way the current DK CAD is drawn would make the ring look like very similar to this. In reality, the DK CAD is slightly different as the tip of the kite would land in the middle of the bezel instead of at the bottom like this.

More importantly, do you see how the sides flare out and attach to the gallery? And how the kite attaches to the bezel?



Based on where we got on the last round of sketches (before the DK CAD), this is what myself and many others THOUGHT you meant. This isn't to say this is what YOU wanted, but as you can see the attachment points are very different and produces a very different look.

I tried to show the bezel orientated correctly in the dark blue. I have the shoulders coming up to attach to the points where they change direction and at the BOTTOM of the bezel (red lines). You can also see the triangles. The green line indicates the raised lip of the shoulder (see other image below).

From this view, there is a new question that arises -- in light blue I showed the line from @twang07's ring that extends to the bottom of the gallery. When we originally spoke about all this, that piece would not exist; however, it could be added and I think it looks nice to be honest. However, you can decide if you want it or not.



Here is the picture that @rockysalamander uploaded in her description earlier. I implanted the green lines on this drawing just to show you what I was envisioning in the ring view above.