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CA Supreme Court Overturns Gay Marriage Ban

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Date: 5/16/2008 2:56:44 PM

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I'm pretty sure that it's legal in France. And in the UK where I live!! Except that we call it a marriage for heterosexual couples and civil union for homosexual couples. The only difference is in titles, not the rights involved. I really don't understand why the different titles but whatever floats people's boats as long as it's equal.



This is from today's, "The New York Times":

"'This decision will give Americans the lived experience that ending exclusion from marriage helps families and harms no one,' said Evan Wolfson, executive director of Freedom to Marry, who noted that same-sex marriages were legal in Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, South Africa and Spain. "

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Date: 5/16/2008 6:07:15 PM
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Date: 5/16/2008 2:56:44 PM

Author: Addy


I'm pretty sure that it's legal in France. And in the UK where I live!! Except that we call it a marriage for heterosexual couples and civil union for homosexual couples. The only difference is in titles, not the rights involved. I really don't understand why the different titles but whatever floats people's boats as long as it's equal.





This is from today's, 'The New York Times':

'This decision will give Americans the lived experience that ending exclusion from marriage helps families and harms no one,' said Evan Wolfson, executive director of Freedom to Marry, who noted that same-sex marriages were legal in Belgium, Canada, the Netherlands, South Africa and Spain. '




This thread needed updating. As of today, Greece has now joined the ranks of European countries where gay people have been married..... Of course the dust has not yet settled there, however. The excerpt below is from, "The New York Times".

"June 4, 2008
First Same-Sex Weddings in Greece
By ANTHEE CARASSAVA
ATHENS — Defying governmental wrath, the mayor of a remote Greek island performed the country’s first same-sex marriages on Tuesday, wedding two men and two women.

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With its abundance of glamorous gay bars and summer island resorts such as Mykonos, Greece has long drawn thousands of gay tourists annually. But gays and lesbians in this European Union nation of 11 million people frequently complain of discrimination. Public displays of affection are widely frowned upon. The country’s military bars gays from joining its ranks, and in 1993 a private Greek television network, Mega Channel, was fined $116,000 by the National Radio and Television Council for showing men kissing in a weekly drama. Greece’s powerful Orthodox Church has also denounced homosexuality as a sin and 'defect of human nature.'



On Tuesday, however, a bubbling just-married Evangelia Vlami emerged from the Tilos town hall, telling the BBC that the unions would help end discrimination. 'We did this to encourage other gay people to take a stand,' she said.



About two dozen people attended the no-frills ceremony, held under the watchful eyes of police officers and dumfounded locals.



'I couldn’t believe it,' said Sofia Kamma, a resident contacted by phone. 'I know they’re people too, but couldn’t they have gone on doing what they were doing without getting our community involved?'



Greek gay rights groups have noted a loophole in a 1982 law that does not specify that a civil union must involve a man and woman.



But last week, as the gay couples made plans to tie the knot, taking out a wedding notice in a local newspaper, Greece’s top prosecutor, Giorgos Sanidas, warned that any marriage between same-sex couples would be 'automatically nullified and considered illegal.'



He said the decree was founded in the spirit of the constitution that defines marriage as matrimony between a man and a woman with the intent of forming a family.



But Mr. Aliferis, a Socialist foe of the ruling conservative government, insisted otherwise. 'There is no court in Europe that will side by this arcane reading of the constitution,' he said. 'What happens if a couple can not reproduce and have a family? Is their marriage null and void?'



Gay activists have warned that they may now begin to sue any of the country’s municipalities if civil authorities resist requests for similar sax-sex unions.



The Netherlands was the first European Union country to offer full civil marriage rights to gay couples in 2001. Belgium did so in 2003, followed by Spain, despite fierce opposition from the Roman Catholic Church.



Most other European Union countries have varying forms of civil unions.



'It’s ludicrous for Greece, the cradle of democracy and human rights, to defy homosexuals equal rights and privileges,' said Mr. Aliferis. 'Officials should take the time and reassess their views.'



Gay activists have vowed to seek recourse with the European Court of Justice if authorities in Greece continue to challenge same-sex marriages."

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Amusing to me that Greece is late in the game considering their historic penchant for depicting homosexuality in art, literature...

My sister is gay and her community is celebrating one victory at a time. With Chicago in Illinois, they''re hoping this state will follow suit sooner rather than later...
 

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Something I meant to post before. Apparently, for non CA residents, going to CA to get married and coming back home may invalidate domestic partner benefits you have with your employer. I think this varies by state and the info I read was based on DC. So be careful!!
 
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