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Do you have any others in mind? This one is facing up small for the weight due to the depth and possibly thick part of the girdle variation. When buying without images personally I would rather pick one with less depth and a ' safer' crown and pavilion angle combo - it could be fine but it is one of those we can't call without images.
 
In case you dont have them, here are the cheat numbers to use when looking for a ''safe" diamond:

depth - 60-62%
table - 54-57%
crown angle 34-35 degrees (you usually have to look at the cert for these numbers)
pavilion angle 40-40.6 degrees

polish & symmetry - very good and above
girdle - no extremes
 
Date: 9/17/2009 10:07:00 AM
Author: tyty333
In case you dont have them, here are the cheat numbers to use when looking for a ''safe'' diamond:
depth - 60-62%
table - 54-57%
crown angle 34-35 degrees (you usually have to look at the cert for these numbers)
pavilion angle 40-40.6 degrees
polish & symmetry - very good and above
girdle - no extremes
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I think you got the pavilion angles wrong. should be 41.0-40.6 degrees.
 
jny04

As many people will say; you can never be sure without viewing (although you can usually return the stone if you're not happy), but I think that your diamond is likely to be one of the better ones in the GIA "very good" cut grade - and most people would barely tell the difference from an ideal-cut diamond. In fact, I think that yours could well match a fair proportion of the GIA "Excellent" stones, although not quite up to the standards of an AGS-0/super-ideal.

Slight anomalies with your stone:
Long-ish (85%) lower halves.
Large-ish (60%) star facets.
Thick girdle.
 
Hi

I feel that the table is too big.. i am very fussy.. so for ideal cut, i will only look for 54 to 55.
I also think the depth is too long..
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EGL grading are considered loose, can be up to 2 grades off, so you might be buying a J SI2 stone if it is graded by GIA/AGS. Get it independently appraised to ensure that you are really buying H VS2. Proportion looks good but we will need an Idealscope image. H&A is what they say, will need a hearts image to confirm.
 
Date: 9/21/2009 6:58:10 AM
Author: jny04
http://www.diamonds.net/UF/66863/Certs/oxt14192.jpg

this looks good? got 8 hearts and 8 arrows inscribed? any thoughts?
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I believe this particular EGL lab are considered to be soft on grading compared to GIA or AGS, it is also facing up a bit small for a one carat diamond. It appears to be a decently cut stone but without images its very hard to judge the quality of the cut and whether it meets the strict standards and cut precision to be considered a " true" h&a diamond. Can you get any images of the hearts and arrows, or an Idealscope or ASET image?

If you want to proceed with this diamond I would advise making the sale final on this diamond checking out to your satisfaction in all aspects with an independant appraisal ( and get this in writing).

Two UK appraisers, I don't know if they are conveniently located but here they are anyway.

http://www.adrian-smith.co.uk/
http://www.jewelleryvaluer.com/index.html


Are you looking for a h&a cut in particular? If so, as you are in the UK I would suggest contacting Dr. Indira Marchant at -

www.bestdiamonds.co.uk Indira sells Infinity h&a so you would end up with a very beautiful diamond.
 
ok thanks, Ive been in too many jewellers now, and not really found anything that matches online, butof course not having the images doenst help.....

Ive decided to give online a go - as my friend got a beautiful bluenile, and had it appraised for over a 600k more than he paid for it.

I need to pick in the next 2 days - so any further advice, or online retailers, Ive sent an emial to the contact you have just given me.....

Im hoping to get a 1 carat round cut ring for 3k GBP.

Cheers
 
600 pounds not K.... :)
 
Date: 9/21/2009 7:45:49 AM
Author: jny04
ok thanks, Ive been in too many jewellers now, and not really found anything that matches online, butof course not having the images doenst help.....

Ive decided to give online a go - as my friend got a beautiful bluenile, and had it appraised for over a 600k more than he paid for it.

I need to pick in the next 2 days - so any further advice, or online retailers, Ive sent an emial to the contact you have just given me.....

Im hoping to get a 1 carat round cut ring for 3k GBP.

Cheers
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Thats great, Indira will get back to you very soon I am sure! I don't know if you are located anywhere near London but she also sees clients by appointment so that could be an option too.
 
Date: 9/21/2009 7:49:31 AM
Author: jny04
600 pounds not K.... :)
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Just to clarify your budget is 600 pounds or 6000 pounds for a 1 carat ring??
 
£3000 GBP
 
Date: 9/21/2009 8:04:11 AM
Author: jny04
£3000 GBP
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Oh ok, I misunderstood, thought you meant 600 pounds!
 
Date: 9/21/2009 7:51:11 AM
Author: Lorelei
Thats great, Indira will get back to you very soon I am sure! I don''t know if you are located anywhere near London but she also sees clients by appointment so that could be an option too.
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OP is based in Scotland from what he says in the other thread.
 
Date: 9/21/2009 8:18:42 AM
Author: Stone-cold11

Date: 9/21/2009 7:51:11 AM
Author: Lorelei
Thats great, Indira will get back to you very soon I am sure! I don''t know if you are located anywhere near London but she also sees clients by appointment so that could be an option too.
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OP is based in Scotland from what he says in the other thread.
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Ok, thank you.
 
thanks -
 
Ok last night, I contacted the online jewlers - quality diamonds from Hatton Garden - and inquired about the stone, the would have to import it, at no charge.
and he advises that it is eye clean.... Ive asked for an Ideal Scope if it is hearts and arrows or tolkowsky cut.

However it has given good report of Excellent on thediamond analysis, cuts ideal, and spread also?

The guys wanting £3100 for a F Stone 1.03 Carat ring white gold? EGL stone admittedly, but the chap said hs collegue in Chicago asked if it was eye clean - he said it was. he also dropped 150 from the price.
 
Date: 9/22/2009 4:03:35 AM
Author: jny04
Ok last night, I contacted the online jewlers - quality diamonds from Hatton Garden - and inquired about the stone, the would have to import it, at no charge.
and he advises that it is eye clean.... Ive asked for an Ideal Scope if it is hearts and arrows or tolkowsky cut.

However it has given good report of Excellent on thediamond analysis, cuts ideal, and spread also?

The guys wanting £3100 for a F Stone 1.03 Carat ring white gold? EGL stone admittedly, but the chap said hs collegue in Chicago asked if it was eye clean - he said it was. he also dropped 150 from the price.
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As stated above with EGL the colour and clarity might in actual fact be lower than stated, so bear this in mind and get an independant appraisal on any EGL stone you buy, should you choose to do so. Concerning the HCA it is a predictive tool used for elimination, it can't physically see the stone to state with any absolute accuracy that any particular performance component will be good/ excellent.

Be cautious when told a diamond is eyeclean, this in the trade sometimes refers to a face up view at arms length so if you don't want to see any visible inclusions from any angle or distance make sure you tell the sellers that.
 
thanks im speaking with him again, the jewler I saw last week came back with some stones, he mentioned two labs I havent heard off he want to meet me today,

1 GIA , 1 HRD , and another is IGI? all are G or H and S1/VS1

Im thinking that I prob wont get an excellent cut anywhere what im getting the EGL stone for tho - no harm in looking at he jewlers stone before speaking to the hatton garden chap.
 
Ok Jewler came back with this diamond last night - sent me details I look at it earlier, going to have a think but wanted advice.... it looked very clean...

1.02 ct (round) F - VS1

EXCELLENT POLISH
EXCellent Sym

6.55 - 6.51 x 3.98

Depth 60.9%
Width 58%
Crwn Height 15%
Pavillion 44 %
Girdle - Slight thin to Medium

anyt thoughts - and what setting would you advise?? for round brilliant? white gold.
 
Date: 9/23/2009 6:01:26 AM
Author: jny04
Ok Jewler came back with this diamond last night - sent me details I look at it earlier, going to have a think but wanted advice.... it looked very clean...

1.02 ct (round) F - VS1

EXCELLENT POLISH
EXCellent Sym

6.55 - 6.51 x 3.98

Depth 60.9%
Width 58%
Crwn Height 15%
Pavillion 44 %
Girdle - Slight thin to Medium

anyt thoughts - and what setting would you advise?? for round brilliant? white gold.
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This does not appear to be a well cut stone, scored a dismal 4.8 on the cut advisor....You can do better than this one.
 
Date: 9/23/2009 6:01:26 AM
Author: jny04
Ok Jewler came back with this diamond last night - sent me details I look at it earlier, going to have a think but wanted advice.... it looked very clean...

1.02 ct (round) F - VS1

EXCELLENT POLISH

EXCellent Sym

6.55 - 6.51 x 3.98

Depth 60.9%

Width 58%

Crwn Height 15%

Pavillion 44 %

Girdle - Slight thin to Medium

anyt thoughts - and what setting would you advise?? for round brilliant? white gold.
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Proportion is bad for this stone, will be leaky and look dull.
 
Ok, after much deliberation,
Chose a round

D VS1 1.03 Carat.

Dept 62.1 %
Width 56 %
Crown 15
PAvillion 43

FAceted Girdle (medium)

EX EX

Six Prong Tiffany Style. WG

Get it tomorrow.
 
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