Bigger? or Higher? Please Help

[K-Span]

Hello Everyone,

I am deciding between two stones for a e-ring & am hoping the many members here could please give me some input/feedback to which I should go with, or consider. Thank you all

BOTH:
- Round Brilliant
- IDEAL Cut 1A
- No Fluorescence
- No Cutlet
- Thin to Medium Girdle
- Diamensions are Ideal, Thanks to Edu. from PS

* Both are in the $$$ame Dollar Range

"A" -
1.54 ct.
G Color
SI1

- or -

"B" -
1.34 ct.
G Color
VS1

* My GF would be fine with either, & its more of what I can do at this point.
- The "SI1" IDEAL seems like a Great Value, & Very Very Minor Inclusions that will probably not be seen to the ave. distant/person.
- The "VS1" IDEAL is Very Very Clean & The plus I see is that the stone even under close observation will be Spotless, & free of anything.
* BOTH Are very tempting & I wish I could afford both & see for myself. Its really a Give or Take - + Carat/-Clarity "vs" -Carat/+Clarity.....?????

Thank you, Your Advise/Help/Opinions are VERY Much Appreciated.

 

[K-Span]

- or -

Would it be recommend dropping to a 1.45 ct. RB IDeal "H" color VS1 ?
&
Also, would there be a "HUGE" difference with a "I" Color VVS2 or VS1 RB IDeal ?

Sorry for all the questions, Thank you all for your input/feedback/advise in advance.

 

[parkerj]

A friend of mine that is a gemologist says that if an inclusion can't be seen with the naked eye, then it won't make any difference to the wearer. Because both of these stones are almost identical in every other way, go for the bigger stone! If you can't see it, she can't see it! AND if years from now you decide that it does matter, you can always upgrade to a cleaner diamond. Color is a biggie- don't go that direction for a bigger rock. good luck

 

[Jenn5504]

I didn''t see what lab these were graded by, but assuming they are accurately graded and assuming that the performance of both is the same (BIG assumption there though........) I''d DEFINATELY go bigger and drop down to SI1. In a HEARTBEAT. But, I would definately want to see Ideal scope images of both before assuming they are both great performing diamonds. Did you run these through the HCA as another check? IF for some reason the larger stone was not a great performer, then I would go down in size, but hopefully that''s not the case.

 

[gladyskristen]

Eyeclean G SI1 for sure! I have an F SI2 and I can't be more pleased! My principle is, if I can't see it, it's not there.

 

[iheartscience]

1.54 G SI1 without a doubt. If it''s eyeclean, there''s no reason not to go for the bigger one. I promise your girlfriend won''t mind the SI1 grade when she sees how HUGE the diamond you got her is!

 

[WorkingHardforSmallRewards]

you said as to the SI1 that it "probably could not be viewed by the average person at an average distance."

I agree with the others if it can''t be seen it can''t be seen, so go for the bigger one. But the problem here is that you can not decide that based on the plotting chart itself. The chart is intended to look similar but it is man drawn and lacks certain information. They could be reflecting within the diamond, it could be all black clearly visible inclusions, etc.

Make sure that a gemologist inspects it and certifies it as eyeclean and have him tell you from what angles he CAN view the inclusions and what color the visible inclusions are. Setting will have a big impact as well becaues she will be sitting with it on her hand everyday and if a big black inclusion is very visible from the side in a four prong then that would be a problem. But in a different setting you could hide it.

Most importantly is to verify eye cleanliness from the top, but other things must be considered as well. But If it isn''t eyeclean from the top forget about it and get the VS1. otherwise, be cautious and the SI1 could be a magnificent deal.


Also, we coudl really use more numbers--mm length and width, angles, who reported on the diamond, etc.

 

[cinnamon013]

Bigger SI1 if it is eyeclean from the top. Once it is in the setting, no one will be looking at it from all angles, standing upside down on their head to try and see an inclusion. FYI, I have an SI1 that has a messy plot, and I cannot see anything from any angle. No one else has been able to notice anything either.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

I''d have to see the certs of both with all the measurements and inclusion plots to decide. But clarity is personal, and I like VS for an e-ring, personally.

I think G and H are very nice.

 

[snlee]

I'd like to see more information too but assuming both are eye clean, I'd go with the bigger 1.54 G SI1. I have an eye clean SI1 and I love it! For me personally, I don't see a point in paying more for something you can't see.

 

[K-Span]

All the RB I am considering are "GIA" & fall under the "AGA 1A" Diamensions/Standard/Specs for a Diamond .50>

I understand "COLOR" makes a Difference, But how much noticable difference is there between a "G" to "H" Color RB if both are IDEAL in performance/cut diffference only in color w/ NO Flor. ???

THANK YOU All Very Much for all the input, Please Keep them coming

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You''d find it hard to tell the difference between an ideal cut G and H next to each other. I have had the opportunity to see this and I wasn''t able to tell.

 

[enbcfsobe]

another (biased) vote for G SI1. the only time i've looked at my ring under a loupe is when i thought i chipped the stone. other than that, i haven't seen any hint of an inclusion since the appraisal when we put it under the scope. i'd rather have a larger, whiter stone assuming both are eye-clean.

 

[Independent Gal]

Another vote for the G SI1.

I actively like the idea of inclusions you can''t (easily) see because they are symbolic of the fact that the one you love (each of our ''one we love''!) has flaws, and that these flaws don''t affect how beautiful that person is to us one little bit.

I know that''s cheesy, but I like it.

 

[WorkingHardforSmallRewards]

Date: 6/26/2007 2:13:34 PM
Author: cinnamon013
Bigger SI1 if it is eyeclean from the top. Once it is in the setting, no one will be looking at it from all angles, standing upside down on their head to try and see an inclusion. FYI, I have an SI1 that has a messy plot, and I cannot see anything from any angle. No one else has been able to notice anything either.

That was my whole point. You can not judge just based on the plot. It might look messy and be very eye clean as is no doubt the case with your wonderful diamond and no doubt beautiful stone--or it might look pretty clean and have 2 big black dots reflecting 5 times each so every time she sees it from the side it looks like it is full of dirt. Or it could have one small dot that is somewhat larger than it appears in the plot diagram and is very clear face up. Thus I pointed out that he shouldn''t base his decision primarily on the plot diagram and that it seems like it should be face up without an actual well explained inspection.

Also, there is a difference in standing on your head to see an inclusion and placing it on your knee and seeing "dirt" filling your diamond. Or holding it up to the light to bask in its glory moments after the engagement and finding a big feather and "dirt" inside of it. Hence: have it inspected and explained to you THROUGHLY if you are not going to be able to see it yourself.

 

[Lorelei]

All the proportion measurements would be needed such as the depth, table, crown angle and pavillion angle, girdle thickness and diameter measurements along with a copy of the grading report and an Idealscope image too! Unless you are happy to buy with your eyes alone.

 

[chrono]

Since I don''t like GIA''s cut rating, I''d like to know the following before giving an answer:
1. What are the HCA scores (need all the angles and percentages)
2. Idealscope pictures

 

[K-Span]

Hello Everyone,

Thank you for all your help/advise/feedback. I ended up purchasing a:

Round Brilliant - 1.58 ct
Color: H
Clarity: VS1
Polish: Excellant
Symmetry: Excellant
Florescence: None
Cutlet: None
Measurements: 7.45 x 7.50 x 4.63 mm
Table: 55%
Depth: 61.9%
Crown Angle: 34.5
Crown Height: 15.5%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43%
Girdle: Medium

HCA Score is: 1.3 Excellant [Based on Angles]
AGA Specs/Dia.: 1A

Well, I did want a Higher Grade Color, but with the prices for a "F-G" Color with any "V**-*" Clarity I couldnt afford the size/weight I wanted with all the Ideal/Excellant Specs within by budget. So After going through EVERY Single Page of the Gallery on the top of "SHow me the Ring" 5-6 Xs & then each ring link I think/feel I made the right choice. I have learned here on PS to focus more on "Cut" & the diamond diamensions, so I ran with the knowledge/schooling I learned here.

The "H" Color with "VS1" Clarity seems to be a Great Value where "Cut/Clarity/Polish/Symm. & etc." is not sacrificed, with IMHO - "H" still being Very White/Near Colorless, Hopefully without any noticable tint "by itself" I hope it is everything I have been wanting once its all "Set & Done"

PLEASE, If anyone has any input I would greatly appreciate it. This is my first ring, e-ring, anything purchase & Thank You to Pricescope & its members for all the "priceless" info./advise/education