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allygirl

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okay,so I''ve been through on line diamond dealers and my local jeweler. On line has alot of choices...here is what I am trying to decide with my jeweler.


1.25 GSI1 (new cert) lazare 53.8 table, depth 62.2 , crown 15.5, pav 43.2 .. measurements 6i88 x 6.94 x 4.30




1.57 GVS@ ideal (old cert) table 57, depth 60.7, crown 14.8 pav 42.7 , measurement 7.49 x 7.54 x 4.36


1.53ct GSI1 ideal (new cert) table 56, depth 61.3, pav 43.1, isee 2 canner 9.6..measurement 7.44 x 7.47 x 4.37

any thoughts on which is best???????
 
What''s the crown on the last diamond?

How do you feel about face up size? I ask this because the lazare will look quite a bit smaller than the other two diamonds. It is also cut slightly deep, which doesn''t seem to be impacting light performance very negatively, but means that you are paying for carat weight that you aren''t seeing face up.

Number two is decent (table is sligthly larger than I''d like, but fine in my opinion), but I''m going to wait to pick my favorite until I have the crown for number three because it has some potential.

Also, crown/pavillion angles are more accurate than percentages, do you also have these for the three diamonds? Is price an issue between these diamonds, or are they simiarly priced?
 
I do not have the crown/pavilion angles. The pricing is not the same. The lazarre is the lowest , then the second is about 4 grand more, then the last is 2 grand more than that.

Also, the last time has a 9.6 on the isee 2 scanner. It comes with certification from AGS and also shows where/when it was mined , original size , etc.
 
Date: 8/29/2006 8:16:11 AM
Author: allygirl
I do not have the crown/pavilion angles. The pricing is not the same. The lazarre is the lowest , then the second is about 4 grand more, then the last is 2 grand more than that.

Also, the last time has a 9.6 on the isee 2 scanner. It comes with certification from AGS and also shows where/when it was mined , original size , etc.
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Are you saying that the 1.53 G *SI1* is 2k more than the 1.57 G *VS2*?
 
Hi ally,

folks aren''t going to be able to comment on the stone w/out the crown and pavilion angles.
Honestly, you have a huge advantage of seeing all of these stones in person. I know you''ve mentioned these stones in other threads and gotten some good feedback. I said this before but at this point I think you should stop worrying about the certs and what the papaer says and go with the one that fits your budget and looks the best to your eyes. It seems as if you want to stay with your local jeweler and these are the stones that come the closest to what you''re wanting #''s wise. none of them are going to be bad stones or poor performers and most of the regulars here will even disagree on small details but I can tell you all of them will tell you to go with your eyes.

I remember thinking the 1.57 with the old ags cert would be my choice based on the info you''ve provided. As I said before, if you still worried about the cert, have it sent to appraiser so they can verify your purchase or even have your store send it back to AGS for a new cert.

honestly though, I probably pick with my eyes and get that baby set so you can getting on your finger
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FIRE AND ICE

Yes, the 1.53 is 2grand more! I don''tknow why because I haven''t seen it yet . It is an SI1 which is odd that it would be more. It ''s a diamond by the jewelers name, they are supposedly known for their own brand of diamonds. Haven''t seen one yet though.
 
Crown number on the 1.53 gs1 ideal is 15.3. Any more thoughts?
 
I am at a loss as to why the smaller lower clarity graded diamond would be worth 2k more & it''s 6 thousand more than the LK stone and only 1/4 carat larger.

Let''s put it this way, I wouldn''t pay 16k for a G SI1 stone. Similar stones w/ excellent specs are trading from 10.5 to 12.5K.
 
I remember the price on the Lazarre stone and it was about $2000 more than it should be. The third one is definitely overpriced as well. The middle one seems okay price-wise. If price really doesn''t matter at all, then go for whichever one of them you like the looks of better. If you''d like to get an ideal cut diamond at a decent price, then you need to look online. But I''ve said that before.
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I understand the lazzare is going to come with a premium because of it''s title. I don''t know whats supposed to make them different but I do know this. When I went into BB&B I IMMEDIATLY saw them in a case and pondered what is this GORGEOUS diamond! I thought they were very pretty in person! What did you think? Were you drawn to one more than the other?
 
Okay, so the final numbers have FINALLY come to me.

the 1.530 ct G SI1 AND the 1.573 G VS2 AGS report was just faxed to me. They are older certificate (MUCH OLDER) , June 2002 for the first one and April 2002 for the second!

Seems that this jeweler keeps showing me older diamonds. I have not seen many at all with a 2006 date on them AND I have not seen many (only 5) in the past month! Starting to get a little uncomfortable with this so I''d like to know what your thoughts are on this too!

HEre are the specs on the one--the other cannot be read off of the fax, it''s just too blurry:

G SI 1 1.530 ct

7.44 x 7.47 x 4.57 mm

table 56%

depth 61.3%

crown 15.3%

pavilion 43.1%

crown/pavillion angles 34.8 and 40.9

girdle?: 0.7% to 1.2%

Fluoroscence : INERT

additional comments: clouds are not shown

$16,430.00!!!!!!!!!!!




 
ally,
the numbers on the stone you just posted look fine to me but the price is very high compared to equal stones online. It''s up to you if you want to pay a few thousand more just for the local convenience. to some it''s worth it, to others it''s not.
 
Mssalvo,

I thought that they looked pretty good, but you''re right the price does seem high. They''re telling me because it''s one of their own brand diamonds and it is guaranteed a light number on the isee2 of 9.8. Make sense on why it would be worth more?

I have been looking at a few on whiteflash. GOG had one that I was interested in but apparently it sold before I made my decision (that'' swhat I get for procrastinating). I actually just found a jeweler closer to my home that has become a verragio dealer so I may investigate that and just tell them that I already ordered a diamond elsewhere! Seems to me that on line IS the easier way to find exactly what you want.

Would you care to give me your opinion again on a few stones that I''ve been lookiing at on gog and wf?
 
Date: 8/30/2006 1:53:19 PM
Author: allygirl


Would you care to give me your opinion again on a few stones that I''ve been lookiing at on gog and wf?
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sure, just post the links or the info on the stones...
 
Date: 8/30/2006 1:47:44 PM
Author: mrssalvo
ally,
the numbers on the stone you just posted look fine to me but the price is very high compared to equal stones online. It''s up to you if you want to pay a few thousand more just for the local convenience. to some it''s worth it, to others it''s not.
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Ditto. Also, did you try bargaining with them? I would expect to pay a little more than online, but not that much. Maybe you can bring in some online examples of similar cuts/prices and get them to come down some more.
 
Date: 8/30/2006 1:53:19 PM
Author: allygirl
Mssalvo,

I thought that they looked pretty good, but you''re right the price does seem high. They''re telling me because it''s one of their own brand diamonds and it is guaranteed a light number on the isee2 of 9.8. Make sense on why it would be worth more?

I have been looking at a few on whiteflash. GOG had one that I was interested in but apparently it sold before I made my decision (that'' swhat I get for procrastinating). I actually just found a jeweler closer to my home that has become a verragio dealer so I may investigate that and just tell them that I already ordered a diamond elsewhere! Seems to me that on line IS the easier way to find exactly what you want.

Would you care to give me your opinion again on a few stones that I''ve been lookiing at on gog and wf?
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Ally,
Have you told your jeweler what it is exactly you want? newer cert, etc...Have you told him your frustration and that you are looking online? Maybe that will light a fire under them. The stones he has shown you all seem really nice, but none seem to have made your heart sing?
 
I did tell the jeweler what I want. She keeps bringing in one at a time. Yesterday she said she was faxing the certificates and she didn''t. Today two of them were faxed to me (she is now on vacation and I''m stuck waiting or going elsewhere) and one of them wasn''t even the right information from what she originally told me!! Found something on line....

here are the specs:

1.39 F vs1 H&A

table 55.64
depth 62.04
crown 15.25
pavillion 43.34
measurements 7.15 x 7.18 x 4.44
price $13943.52
crown/pav anglges 34.40 x 40.99
girdle 1.64

what do you think? It''s kind of in the middle of the two sizes I had previously looked at.
 
Well you have excellent/ideal taste in Cut
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You picks in color, clarity, carat, and cost ($$) seem to be scattered around a little bit, though. But on paper this one looks good too, just like the other ones.
 
I considered that stone, Ally. It is very nice!
 
DS--

You said that you considered that diamond. That is not the diamond that you had shipped to you, is it??

What made you decide against this diamond? It seems too good to be true. Although I wish that the price was lower.

I am just getting frustrated by asking the jeweler for more stones. I even said that i wanted to see SEVERAL , stating 5 or 6 at a time all of different clarity,etc so that I could decide exactly what I wanted. She keeps bringing in one at a time. PLUS, the whole process of looking for a diamond after only seeing about 4 has taken a month and a half. Just tired of begging . Now, the jeweler has gone on vacation for another week! This whole process started out wierd and just seems to be getting more strange. It first started where the person helping me pick the setting left the company. Now this...I called a different jeweler that has just started carrying Verragio and they are getting the full line in this week. PLUS, they are much closer to where I live...any thoughts? I feel badly leaving the one jeweler but just feel like I''m getting no where in the search for a diamond! PLUS< this other jeweler will set a stone for me that I purchase elsewhere where the original jeweler said that they would not . The original jeweler said that they had to send the stone to verragio when they make the setting yet last week she said that she might not and she''d just keep the stone in her possession! Sound wierd?
 
I''m going to be brutally honest here. I''ve followed all of your threads. You do not seem to know what you want. The sizes are all over the board. The color and clarity vary from stone to stone. Your budget is from 9.5k to 16.5k.

You need to narrow what it is you really want.
 
Date: 8/31/2006 9:57:04 AM
Author: fire&ice
I''m going to be brutally honest here. I''ve followed all of your threads. You do not seem to know what you want. The sizes are all over the board. The color and clarity vary from stone to stone. Your budget is from 9.5k to 16.5k.


You need to narrow what it is you really want.
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i agree. Ally, most normal local jewelers don''t have a ton of ideal cuts in stock for you to compare as opposed to going to GOG or WF where if you went in person they would have a much larger inventory for you. You should be able to get a good idea for what size, color and clarity you want though even by looking at your local''s stones. What''s the most important thing you are looking for in your stone and what is your budget?
 
I am not sure of what I want and that is why I wanted my jeweler to get different stones, so I could compare them one to the other. I do know that I want something within the specifications that you all have mentioned. I do know NOW after all of the help that I''ve received here(even though it appears that my indecisiveness has been bothersome) that I want an AGS TRIPLE zero. As far as size... I am still unclear. I want between 1.25 and 1.50. Sorry for all of the questions but I started here not knowing ANYTHING about diamonds and thanks to all of the help I know now what I want. Problem is I just cannot decide on F G or H! My setting is GVS2''s in it and I really want the main diamond to look as white as it can which is why I am leaning towards that F that I posted. Again, sorry for all the postings.....but thank you for your help!
 
You''re posts are not bothersome to me. Everyone here wants to help you. Just don''t want you to pick something out of frustration. This search should be fun for you.
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I''d go look at that other jeweler close to you. If you''re not having fun with your current jeweler, there''s lots of other options.
 
WHATMEWORRY--

Thanks for your comment. I just really had ZERO knowledge of diamonds when I started and perhaps that is why I posted let''s just say , "a bit too much"! I had no idea of what diamond should cost what and was trying to give a variety of different diamonds to all of you for opinion so I knew what I SHOULD expect!

I really like the F VS1 1.39 that I posted, but wonder if F is a waste of money. As I said, I just want it to be at least or brighter than my stones in my setting which are gvs2''s.

I believe I am going to go see that other jeweler, but now am wondering should I give them a try to get some stones or should I just go ahead and order this stone since I seem to like it so much on paper!
 
you''re not bothersome ally at all. we want to help you and do our best to lead you in the right direction. If you think that stone is for you and like the high color and clairity you should get it. it''s a really nice size too. I probably would stick to shopping for your stone online so you''re not placed in an awkard position with another jeweler. if you tell them you have your stone, then you can order the setting though them and go there for servicing. You can always call and ask if they have in AGS000 in stock. We have a huge local jeweler that has a ton of settings and stones but no AGS stones, all were GIA or EGL. I asked why and he told me AGS grades mostly branded stones. So, I purchased my AGS unbranded stone elsewhere.
 
mrssalvo

what do you mean by branded AGS0 stones?

Do you mean ISEE2 or Lazarre as a brand name??
 
Date: 8/31/2006 3:02:51 PM
Author: allygirl
mrssalvo


what do you mean by branded AGS0 stones?


Do you mean ISEE2 or Lazarre as a brand name??
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yes
 
Found two on line that look quite promising. Problem is that I don''t know which looks better on paper. I really like the F because I wanted to go either G or H! F is a bonus for me and I think it''s just what I''ve been looking for. HOWEVER< the depth and measurements may be a little better on the H. Here are the two: Please give me your thoughts!! :

1.39 VS 1 F

AGS Cut Grade: Ideal Length: 7.18mm
GIA Cut Grade: Excellent Depth: 4.45mm
Optical Symmetry: Ideal Table Percentage: 55.64%
Polish: Ideal Depth Percentage: 62.04%
Symmetry: Ideal Crown Ú: 34.40‹
Fluorescence: Negligible Crown Depth: 15.25%
Girdle: 1.64% Pavilion Ú: 40.99‹
Culet: None Pavilion Depth: 43.34%
Lab Report: AGS Upper Girdle Ú: 42.54‹
Lab Report #: 7214706 Lower Girdle Ú: 42.31‹
Width: 7.15mm 13,472.00

1.37 VVS2 H

AGS Cut Grade: Ideal Length: 7.23mm
GIA Cut Grade: Excellent Depth: 4.40mm
Optical Symmetry: Ideal Table Percentage: 56.44%
Polish: Ideal Depth Percentage: 60.96%
Symmetry: Ideal Crown Ú: 33.97‹
Fluorescence: Negligible Crown Depth: 14.74%
Girdle: 1.21% Pavilion Ú: 41.03‹
Culet: None Pavilion Depth: 43.40%
Lab Report: AGS Upper Girdle Ú: 41.41‹
Lab Report #: 6914601 Lower Girdle Ú: 42.29‹
Width: 7.20mm 11,173.14





 
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