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targa

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Since there is so much positive feedback on this forum about whiteflash i wanted to share a bad experience i had as nearly repeat customer.
The first time i bought from them, my wedding band showed up with pave stones that were smaller than requested- it looked beautiful nonetheless so i didn''t do a thing (time crunch as well)

but this time....
I found a stone on line which i decided to buy-one of their H&A stones. price was determined, etc. however, i ran into some cash flow issues so wasn''t able to purchase the stone right away. nonetheless, we were in constant email contact and i promised i wanted the stone and would get the wire to them asap- they kept the stone on hold for me since i was a repeat customer and never asked for a credit card or deposit. emails were sent multiple times a week over a 2 week period with updates. never was i given the impression that the stone was being pedaled to others (in fact they had pulled the stone off of their web site). early this week i got an email saying that they needed to receive payment, so i replied asking if i could put it on my credit card instead (and if the price could remain the same). the reply was yes, but the price went up and that they wanted to know asap. unfortunately, i didn''t check my email till the following day, at which time i sent a reply stating the wire would arrive the following day. to my shock i was sent an email stating, "bad news" they sold the stone to someone else becasue i didn''t get back to them in a timely manner. the problem here is that i have already invested in a custom setting for this stone based on the sarin numbers (my stupidity to do so without diamond in hand-i know). I understand that they run a business and needed to sell the stone; however, how hard would have it been to call me and tell me the situation and ask if i could make immediate payment (first right of refusal for someone whom the stone was on hold for). what made me more upset was that they didn''t even apologize or see the error in their lack of customer service. Instead i was told they are very busy this time of year and i was lucky they had held it as long as they had for me. Maybe my expectations were high, but customer service is important in any transaction, and even though whiteflash was nice enough, when it came down to it, all i needed was a phone call-- or an apology from them for not making the phone call, and the understanding that i had invested time, lots of money, and that i was disappointed that my wife would not be getting her anniversary gift.

moral of the story for me, if i want customer service and a relationship with a merchant, maybe on-line is not the place for me. time will tell, maybe when i cool down i will try again-they do have nice stones.
 
Targa,
I know how disappointed you must feel to not have the stone you were expecting. I know WF does their best to ensure customer satisfaction. I understand they are very busy this time of year and went above normal procedure to hold the stone but agree they should have called you before selling it. We always give vendors the benefit of the doubt when it comes to emails that could be lost in cyberspace, spammed etc. and recommend calling. They should have done the same and tried to reach you by phone. There are other PS vendors who can provide you the info you'd need to find a replacement stone that would work in your setting if your still up for it. Possibly WF will be able to do something to rectify the situation once they check in here
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Mrssalvo...you're just too sweet for me LOL...

Targa: I think that WF did nothing wrong. Nothing. They held the stone for you for two weeks.
Of course, during that time, price went up. When DON'T they go up.
You didn't respond that day b/c you didn't check your email.

Did I miss something ... how is ANY of this WF's fault? Nevertheless , I'm sorry for your disappointment...and I'm sure you'll find a beauty
 
I agree with MMM and mrssalvo. They did nothing wrong as far as I can tell. It''s a shame this happened yes. But you can''t expect them to hold a stone for that long without anykind of payment. I hope you find another beautiful stone soon. Good luck!!
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Date: 12/22/2005 1:29:04 PM
Author: moremoremore
Mrssalvo...you're just too sweet for me LOL...

hehe, we'll your the lawyer, not me
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As a consumer i would have liked a phone call,
but maybe my expections are too high
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Sorry that you missed out on this stone....I do think that both parties were at fault, yes they should have called you to say ''hey we are releasing this stone, tell us NOW if you want it still'' but miscommunications and things like that CAN happen during such a busy time period. I don''t know if us consumers can really understand just how busy the vendors get during the holidays. I have had emails to other normally quick to respond vendors languish for days before responding, no big deal because I can always call in and talk to them if I REALLY need to speak to them, but it seems that this holiday season everyone has been just slammed. Surely that''s no excuse for no phone call BUT I think that consumers who can try to be a little understanding with the vendors situation will be happier in the long run as well.

However, they did hold a stone for you for two weeks with no payment. They may not have been ''pedaling'' the stone to other people, sometimes the search engines take a few days to remove stones from them when WF removes them as I know sold stones have shown up before on searches sometimes for me. Possibly someone saw it, and expressed interest, it could be that they told the person it was on hold, but that the buyer said they still wanted it if it became available. Really there are a bunch of gray areas in the experience, two sides to each story. I know from experience that WF typically tries to go above and beyond with their customer service, and I am sure one of them will chime in to this thread as well.

Vendors in general CANNOT ever do everything absolutely right. There will be problems from time to time, I experience this in my own career and am very happy when my long-term clients can give me the benefit of the doubt or similar if a problem arrises with a project...this sounds to me like a miscommunication which resulted in the stone being lost, I guess better luck next time! Maybe with a new vendor if you cannot get past this.
 
LOL MrsS...No, your right...maybe a phone call would have been nice b/c people can''t always get to email..
 
I dont know about this one, a call would have been very nice but was it required?
They had allready went far beyond what their policy is being nice and the real bottom line is cash talks.
The one that pays first gets it is the fair way of doing it and in this case that is what happened.
So based on just the information here I cant fault WF.
I do however feel bad for you with the situation of having a setting and no diamond to go in it.
 
Date: 12/22/2005 1:52:16 PM
Author: strmrdr
I dont know about this one, a call would have been very nice but was it required?

It may not be required but to move on without the attempt to reach me other than email would bother me and prevent ME from wanting to do business with them. I was recently out of town and could not access my email but always carry my phone. They took the time to send the email, what''s 60 seconds to make the call? I LOVE technology but find when I need quick answers I pick up the phone. I tell consumers all the time to do this. Why can''t a vendor working with a repeat customer do the same?
 
sorry to hear of your dissapointment targa..
everyone has expectations and sometimes they ruin what could have been a good situation.
i really don''t think it is unfair for them not to try and track you down by phone when you made only a verbal commitment to purchase the stone....especially during the busiest time of the year.
 
yes, wf was nice for holding the stone for me-however, if they had just said NO, we can''t hold the stone, then i wouldn''t have invested in the ring. But since they did hold the stone a quick phone call could have avoided my misfortune. i don''t hold them responsible, i just know that i would have done it differently if i were them. nothing more-thanks.
 
Date: 12/22/2005 2:04:58 PM
Author: targa
yes, wf was nice for holding the stone for me-however, if they had just said NO, we can''t hold the stone, then i wouldn''t have invested in the ring. But since they did hold the stone a quick phone call could have avoided my misfortune. i don''t hold them responsible, i just know that i would have done it differently if i were them. nothing more-thanks.
actually, a deposit would have avoided your misfortune.
 
I think you should have gotten a call as email can so easily be misplaced and sometimes the servers go down, computers act up ect ect. Especially since they were holding it for you. But I think you also contributed to the unfortunate situation. I hemed and hawed over my first diamond purchase and lost it. It was my fault.

I personally have never been too much of a wf fan. I am surprised that everyone here recommends them so. Yes, their site is stunning and you can search for specifics and their people act friendly and they are great contributors to the board. But I don't care about that. I care about respect- such as-returning calls and honesty-tell me the truth if it is an ugly stone!

The 40 dollar call in fee urks me as well. If it "performs" you pay even if you don't like it. "Performs" is subjective. Anyhoo, I know I will get nasty private messages but I have been thinking this along time.

I do understand they are busy, I do understand some people will fall into the cracks. I do know I have a high expectation of service. But I also know that WF appear to be good communicators with their customers and would probably love to have the chance of finding another stone for you.

Or just go to another ps vender! I think most of them rock!

I hope it will be an easy one to replace!
 
belle-they never asked for a deposit, which i would have been happy to give.
 
Maybe this is like a no-fault car accident. I'm not so quick to absolve either party. I've seen this same complaint with WF before. But the surest way to have held that stone was a nonrefundable deposit. Not sure what official policy is but I expect for a repeat customer, 10-25% may have done the trick. To many verbal promises that aren't kept over the internet with the volume of customers they see.

p.s. others saying the same thing at the same time it looks like - look at this as an opportunity to work with someone you like more!
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Date: 12/22/2005 2:08:52 PM
Author: belle
Date: 12/22/2005 2:04:58 PM

Author: targa

yes, wf was nice for holding the stone for me-however, if they had just said NO, we can''t hold the stone, then i wouldn''t have invested in the ring. But since they did hold the stone a quick phone call could have avoided my misfortune. i don''t hold them responsible, i just know that i would have done it differently if i were them. nothing more-thanks.
actually, a deposit would have avoided your misfortune.

I agree Belle, but he did communicate with them, explained his situation and they very generously agreed to hold it w/out a deposit. they even agreed to take his credit card and then the email screw up. They agreed to hold it, trusting he would follow through and he trusted they would hold it. In my opionion they dropped the ball in emailing, saying we need cash now and sold it w/out any other contact. Yes, they are busy, but if my trusted jeweler says he will hold a stone, i would trust him to do so and at least give me a curtious phone call if he could no longer hold it.
 
targa, soory to hear about this. It must be disappointing for you.

However, I would add that WF has held numerous stones for me just on asking and I''ve found them to be rather exceptional in this area. Two weeks is a long time. You are lucky to get more than 24hrs from many vendors.

Perhaps as a compromise, they can work with you to find a similar stone that fits your needs.
 
Perhaps the salesperson at WF could weigh in on this.
 
Date: 12/22/2005 2:14:30 PM
Author: targa
belle-they never asked for a deposit, which i would have been happy to give.
i am truly sorry for your dissapointement targa, but my point is there is no guarantee without $$.
chalk it up to experience and a lesson learned. you will find something that you love..it''s out there.
just make sure you put at least a deposit on it if you need to hold it for an extended period of time.
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Date: 12/22/2005 2:21:40 PM
Author: mrssalvo

Date: 12/22/2005 2:08:52 PM
Author: belle

Date: 12/22/2005 2:04:58 PM

Author: targa

yes, wf was nice for holding the stone for me-however, if they had just said NO, we can''t hold the stone, then i wouldn''t have invested in the ring. But since they did hold the stone a quick phone call could have avoided my misfortune. i don''t hold them responsible, i just know that i would have done it differently if i were them. nothing more-thanks.
actually, a deposit would have avoided your misfortune.

I agree Belle, but he did communicate with them, explained his situation and they very generously agreed to hold it w/out a deposit. they even agreed to take his credit card and then the email screw up. They agreed to hold it, trusting he would follow through and he trusted they would hold it. In my opionion they dropped the ball in emailing, saying we need cash now and sold it w/out any other contact. Yes, they are busy, but if my trusted jeweler says he will hold a stone, i would trust him to do so and at least give me a curtious phone call if he could no longer hold it.
what email screw up?
 
" Perhaps the salesperson at WF could weigh in on this. "

While it is not my usual style to come in on threads like this, and we realize that there will be both positive and negative feedback, I would like to clarify the following.

The order was placed on 12/1 and an order confirmation was e-mailed; we were told payment would be wired. The customer was contacted several times by e-mail and once by phone asking about payment. We were assured payment was coming several times after the 1st, but never received it. Then there was a period from 12/8 to 12/14 where we heard nothing from the customer. We called the customer on12/14 but there was no answer, so we sent another e-mail. He did not reply until 2 days later, again indicating he would be going ahead. We told him we must have the wire by the weekend. The weekend passed, and at 1:30 p.m. CT on Monday 12/19 he wrote, asking to pay the wire price, but with a credit card. We replied within 60 minutes of his email, telling him that would not be possible, and to please get back to us ASAP or we would have to make it available for purchase. We heard nothing for the rest of the day. That evening the diamond was reactivated for sale after no payment had been received. It was purchased online on Tuesday morning 12/20.

This is the diamond in question:

http://www.whiteflash.com/diamonds/diamond_details.aspx?idno=1332199

It is regrettable that we could not hold it any longer than we did. As it stands, it was off the market for 3 weeks.
We have offered the customer this diamond which is comparable:

http://www.whiteflash.com/hearts_arrows/A-Cut-Above-H-A-cut-diamond-1911789.htm

It costs more, but it is from a new production and rough prices have increased. With the Pricescope discount the difference is about $700.

Thank you to everyone who has offered comments. We try, with all diligence, to be communicative and hope we are able to provide service to every customer

LesleyH
www.whiteflash.com
 
Thanks for chiming in on this Lesley...that call center response software which logs everything can really come in handy sometimes!!
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Now that the story is more complete, definitely sounds like a miscommunication between both parties, but it sounds like WF tried everything within their power to see if you wanted to complete this transaction, targa....good luck finding a new stone!!
 
I think this was unfortunate and shows the pitfalls of only conducting important transactions via email. I''ve also learned that if it''s important, I should pick up the phone at various touchpoints because then I know my message has been heard and not lost in cyberspace or buried among a zillion other emails. Luckily, most jewelers have 800#s, so it''s really no big deal for the consumer.
 
Date: 12/22/2005 2:36:47 PM
Author: belle
Date: 12/22/2005 2:21:40 PM

Author: mrssalvo


Date: 12/22/2005 2:08:52 PM

Author: belle


Date: 12/22/2005 2:04:58 PM


Author: targa


yes, wf was nice for holding the stone for me-however, if they had just said NO, we can''t hold the stone, then i wouldn''t have invested in the ring. But since they did hold the stone a quick phone call could have avoided my misfortune. i don''t hold them responsible, i just know that i would have done it differently if i were them. nothing more-thanks.
actually, a deposit would have avoided your misfortune.


I agree Belle, but he did communicate with them, explained his situation and they very generously agreed to hold it w/out a deposit. they even agreed to take his credit card and then the email screw up. They agreed to hold it, trusting he would follow through and he trusted they would hold it. In my opionion they dropped the ball in emailing, saying we need cash now and sold it w/out any other contact. Yes, they are busy, but if my trusted jeweler says he will hold a stone, i would trust him to do so and at least give me a curtious phone call if he could no longer hold it.
what email screw up?

the one he didn''t get/check until it was to late
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thanks for the clarification Lesley. It looks like WF did go above and beyond to help complete the transaction and was more than generous in holding the stone and offering and extended time for payment. i would have checked my email all day if I was waiting for a response on a payment question and called before the end of the business day had I not heard from them. I still think one last phone call from WF would have been nice but in light of the broken agreements along the way I can see why they sent the email, waited until the end of the day for a response and moved on.
 
The new stone looks really nice . . . are you going to go for it?

I have to say I see WF''s view more on this one. I wouldn''t expect a car dealership to hold a specific, high-demand car for me for two or three weeks. I''m sorry to hear that cash flow became a problem for you, but that''s the crux of it. You couldn''t pay for the diamond, so you had no claim to it other than the hope that WF would go out of their way for you. But there does have to be a line somewhere, especially when there are other people willing and able to buy it immediately.

It sounds to me like you were hoping for a personal favor (first in holding it as long as you needed, and second in giving you the wire price for a credit card transaction, which costs them extra), but I don''t think, beyond being helpful, nice people with whom you want to deal again, that a diamond purchase should be taken personally. Perhaps you assumed that because you were a prior customer and because they waived the deposit fee that there was no time crunch in digging up the money? I assume that you would always have been able to purchase it with a credit card and were just trying to get the funds together to get the wire discount, but of course I don''t know for sure. It sounds to me like they were being flexible at first with the expectation that you would buy it shortly, but then it turned into an indefinite wait, long lapses between communication, and some hemming and hawing on your part about the credit card price.

As a consumer, I would try to reward their effort by being a loyal customer. However, if you feel that this was a deal breaker and may want to look elsewhere, Dirt Cheap Diamonds/James Allen currently has two 1.5-1.6 H SI1 stones if you are interested. Good Old Gold has an I VS2. You will be able to find a stone to fit your setting.
 
Before WF chimed in, I was curious at to the price of the diamond because I felt that the more expensive the diamond, the less valid your claim here (as this is holiday time, big sales time, and the diamond business IS a business, so WF wants to sell their stuff ASAP, right?). . Now, that I see it was $11K, I''m honestly VERY SURPRISED that this diamond was held for you for so long. WF was VERY GENEREOUS!

I think it''s really great when consumers add their bad experiences because it creates a better perspective for future buyers. Never can any company be entirely perfect. But, in your situation, I don''t think you''ve proven anything other than you didn''t plan better. You should have more precisely discussed how long the stone should have been held and after some point (like TWO weeks!!!) just called in your CC number to ensure the stone was still yours.

Personally, I''d never design a ring around a diamond I hadn''t already purchased!
 
Date: 12/22/2005 2:53:51 PM
Author: mrssalvo

i would have checked my email all day if I was waiting for a response on a payment question and called before the end of the business day had I not heard from them.
I have to say this is what I''ve been thinking too since I first read the original post.
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Targa, having heard both your and WF's versions of what passed, it sounds to me as if you both could have been more communicative. A phone call on their part certainly would have been a reasonable thing to expect. In their defense, it's not clear they really knew what was happening on your side. Begin more up front might have solved the problem. Then maybe something like a deposit could have avoided the whole situation. I agree that keeping it on hold for that length of time is over and above on their part.

Kimberly -- I tend to agree with a lot of what you say. WF gets great cudos here, but many of the people I know who have dealt with them have had problems with communication with them. Those tend to get glossed over in all the rave reviews, but I have found them difficult enough to deal with that they are not on my short list of vendors. I think it is good to bring up both the good and the bad so that new people get a more balanced picture.
 
Tanga- I have to say I really don’t understand why you are upset. My fiancé bought our stone from Whiteflash, ask had them put it on hold for about 48hrs I was soo worried that this was too long for them to hold the stone. I thought we were asking too much. They were polite and let him know as soon as his wire had been received. Two weeks is an insanely generous amount of time for anything to be held, honestly I think it is categorically unfair/unreasonable to ask any vendor to hold something which you do not presently have to funds to pay for.
 
After seeing both sides it does indeed seem like WF tried in earnest to contact you. Business is business and when it comes down to it they have a right to sell their product. I would never take advantage of a vender that way. I know they did not ASK for a deposit but I woulda given it anyway.

I personally had only 24 hours to decide on my stone from Dutton''s diamonds and promised Gary in writting I would indeed decide in that time. I thought it fair since he had had it on consignment along time already for me and did not charge me to call it in.
 
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