Bad Diamond Purchase?

[Svman989]

Good afternoon,

I recently put a deposit down on a diamond and found this website shortly after where I've spent the last few hours reading posts and gaining a better understanding of my potential purchase.

I ran the numbers through the Holloway Cut Advisor and found that while the numbers are not all within the recommended ranges it returned a score of 1.1.

From my understanding a HCA score less than 2 is important however the numbers I input to get that score were not always within the recommended range.

Is this worth pursuing or should I request my deposit back and continue looking? Any advice would be greatly appreciated as I'm still learning.

Below are the specifications:

GIA
Measurements: 7.83x7.91x4.66
Carat: 1.75
Color: K
Clarity: VS2
Cut: Very Good

Depth: 59.2%
Table 60%
Crown Angle: 33%
pavilion: 41
Lower: 80%
Symmetry: Good

 

[flyingpig]

It can be a beautiful diamond. Do you have any photo?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

It should present as very bright (at the expense of some fire) but will not have good star patterns with only 'Good' symmetry (= bad).
On close up viewing it may appear a bit dark because your head will be obstructing some available light sources.
Did the vendor have any photos or videos?

 

[Dancing Fire]

It should present as very bright (at the expense of some fire) but will not have good star patterns with only 'Good' symmetry (= bad).

Garry, then why the HCA rating is at 1.1? bad b/c off rounded?

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Garry, then why the HCA rating is at 1.1? bad b/c off rounded?

1.1 is good for its proportions. The symmetry has some issues - we have no way to know if it is just some bad meet points or way out of scew.
it need images - ideally Ideal-Scope or ASET.
We are in the dark!

 

[headlight]

I would pass. I would not purchase a diamond that has a table larger than depth. Also, with cut grade as very good and symmetry as good (not excellents), that’s also a no for me.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I would pass. I would not purchase a diamond that has a table larger than depth. Also, with cut grade as very good and symmetry as good (not excellents), that’s also a no for me.

Hi Headlight,
Most tables are much larger than their depth. It is hard to find one like this and it really doesn't look that great:

Jokes aside, light gets stressed and is well behaved or bad because of angles, not %'s
A cut grade of very good on this stone is because the symmetry is Good.
Images will tell us more.
Is it going to be an amazing diamond? No.
Is it going to be better than most - quite probably.
Is it a $$$ bargain - the stats on the report probably mean it is.
1.75ct is hard to find - especially hard to find nice diamonds right now as huge shortages.
Prices rarely go up this fast - and its all about supply and demand

 

[headlight]

@Garry H (Cut Nut) i love your humor (horrible table!). But you have stated many things about it not being so great and supply issues, etc., but to me that’s just not a reason to sort of take what you can get. And you know there are no bargains in diamonds!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

@Garry H (Cut Nut) i love your humor (horrible table!). But you have stated many things about it not being so great and supply issues, etc., but to me that’s just not a reason to sort of take what you can get. And you know there are no bargains in diamonds!

I hope the OP comes back and helps us with some more info.
the initial thing that caught my attention was the 1.1 HCA score - the OP thought that was bad. Not at all.
lets give them a chance HL

 

[headlight]

I hope the OP comes back and helps us with some more info.
the initial thing that caught my attention was the 1.1 HCA score - the OP thought that was bad. Not at all.
lets give them a chance HL

Fair enough!

 

[Tourmaline]

I had a diamond with a low crown angle and tried hard for five years to love it. You can do much better in cut architecture.

 

[Svman989]

Hey everyone,

I do not have images at the moment but I saw the diamond in person. I can reach out and request images but I'm not sure what to ask for.

Can I reach out to the jeweler and request images for Ideal-Scope or ASET?

 

[lovedogs]

Hey everyone,

I do not have images at the moment but I saw the diamond in person. I can reach out and request images but I'm not sure what to ask for.

Can I reach out to the jeweler and request images for Ideal-Scope or ASET?

Yes, you can ask for both. Many vendors dont have those images, but it doesnt hurt to ask!

 

[Svman989]

I was unable to get any images

I hope the OP comes back and helps us with some more info.
the initial thing that caught my attention was the 1.1 HCA score - the OP thought that was bad. Not at all.
lets give them a chance HL

Garry,

I reached out to the jeweler and they did not have images for ideal-scope or ASET. I did see the diamond in person and was unable to differentiate between that and an excellent cut diamond (although I am not a experienced).

The diamond would be set into a rose gold halo and I've gotten mixed reviews on what color diamond I should be looking for. The jeweler looking to sell me the ring/diamond has stated K is a great color for a rose gold halo while other jewelers have told me to look towards F-I range.

I'm not sure what additional information I can provide the group to help me determine if this diamond is a good deal or if I should look to the F-I range for a rose gold halo ring.

Again,

Appreciate all the responses.

 

[Tourmaline]

The diamond would be set into a rose gold halo and I've gotten mixed reviews on what color diamond I should be looking for. The jeweler looking to sell me the ring/diamond has stated K is a great color for a rose gold halo while other jewelers have told me to look towards F-I range.

I'm not sure what additional information I can provide the group to help me determine if this diamond is a good deal or if I should look to the F-I range for a rose gold halo ring.

Again,

Appreciate all the responses.

K is fine, but cut is what’s important.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

You need to see the color out of spot lights. Good flood lighting, cloudy day or in the shade of your body and look from about 45 degrees - not straight at the diamond.
K is yellowish and made worse by bad optical symmetry.
Ask the jeweller to show you why the symmetry is only Good?
if it is like this then that can be OK

 

[Svman989]

You need to see the color out of spot lights. Good flood lighting, cloudy day or in the shade of your body and look from about 45 degrees - not straight at the diamond.
K is yellowish and made worse by bad optical symmetry.
Ask the jeweller to show you why the symmetry is only Good?
if it is like this then that can be OK

Would you have any concern with mounting this "K" color in a rose gold ring? The mount itself would be white gold. I made a mistake when using the Cut advisor. The real number is 1.4 not 1.1. I've gotten mixed reviews from jewelers, some have stated K would be too yellow and to focus on H or I.

 

[mwilliamanderson]

If you do a search for "K colored diamonds" in the Show Me the Bling forum you will find lots of pictures and discussion that may be helpful. If you spend some time looking through the threads to see how people have set their stones and reading the comments you may feel better about your choice for or against a low colored stone. Personally I think K in rose gold would be lovely.

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[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Would you have any concern with mounting this "K" color in a rose gold ring? The mount itself would be white gold. I made a mistake when using the Cut advisor. The real number is 1.4 not 1.1. I've gotten mixed reviews from jewelers, some have stated K would be too yellow and to focus on H or I.

No reason not to set it in Rose or yellow and best not to set it in white.
1.4 , 1.1, are all under 2.0 so all good, but the symmetry is still your main issue.