B. Gavin or A Cut Above stds

[buyer2011]

Would the below stone quailfy as Brian Gavin signature or "a Cut Above" standards.

STONE 1
Table 56%
Depth 61.9%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 4%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34%
pavilion angle-40.8%

and
STONE 2
Table 55%
Depth 61.9%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 3.5%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34.5%
pavilion angle-40.8%

and STONE 3
Table 55%
Depth 61.6%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 3.5%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34.%
pavilion angle-41%

 

[buyer2011]

the HCAs are:

STONE 1
1.0 Ex, Ex, Ex, VG

STONE 2
1.3 Ex, Ex, Ex, VG

STONE 3
1.4 Ex, Ex, VG, VG

 

[slg47]

do you have images and hearts images?

 

[buyer2011]

no i do not all I have are diagrams from the GIA certs

 

[tyty333]

The numbers look good but they would have to be H&As to qualify for BGD or ACAs. You can still have a lovely stone without
having H&A though.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

You cannot judge hearts and arrows without the hearts and arrows images. If you take a look on James Allen and put ideal and True Hearts in your search, you can see that many excellent/ideal cut stones do not have the perfect symmetry of a hearts and arrows stone. They don't even show the idealscope images for the non hearts and arrows stones for that matter.

So the stones you listed may be excellent cut, but there is no way to tell if they'd be hearts and arrows. But if they are for studs, I would think they would be fine.

You need to list the diameters, though, as far as matching the best two stones is concerned.

 

[buyer2011]

Thank you, I just figured that if the math worked and the criteria of the table, depth, crown angles, and pavilion angles were in the parameters that whiteflash uses (for a cut above) then there is a great chance of them being "a cut above" or HnA.. The only one that the above stats does not fit in whiteflash's criteria is STONE 3. They say that the pavilion angle is not supposed to be over 40.9 and it is 41; but all other stats fit in their ranges. They are at a local jewerly that does have the idealscopes or HnA pics etc.

They are for an engagement ring
What diameters do you need to determine best the best stone?

Thank you

 

[slg47]

Thank you, I just figured that if the math worked and the criteria of the table, depth, crown angles, and pavilion angles were in the parameters that whiteflash uses (for a cut above) then there is a great chance of them being "a cut above" or HnA.. The only one that the above stats does not fit in whiteflash's criteria is STONE 3. They say that the pavilion angle is not supposed to be over 40.9 and it is 41; but all other stats fit in their ranges. They are at a local jewerly that does have the idealscopes or HnA pics etc.

They are for an engagement ring
What diameters do you need to determine best the best stone?

Thank you

no, the only way you can tell H&A is with a hearts image. have you seen these in person? if so then I would use your eyes to pick the best one. make sure to look at them in different lighting and from different angles.

 

[buyer2011]

I have not seen them all in person. He has not brought them all in yet just GIA's. i will make sure to look at them closely. Any other advice? Thank you

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The diameter measurement tells you the size that the stone will appear face up. Some stones are smaller than others depending on the cut. That's why you always look at the diameter. No point in paying for a stone that looks smaller than it's weight.

 

[buyer2011]

I included the Diameter and some more info, Please let me know your thoughts

STONE 1
Table 56%
Depth 61.9%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 4%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34%
pavilion angle-40.8%
hca- 1.0 e,e,e,vg
dia- 7.34-7.38x4.56
g, vs2
approx $3000 more then Stone 2


and
STONE 2
Table 55%
Depth 61.9%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 3.5%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34.5%
pavilion angle-40.8%
Hca 1.3 e,e,e,vg
dia-7.33-7.38x4.54
h, si1 (very eye clean)
use at the price constant.



and STONE 3
Table 55%
Depth 61.6%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 3.5%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34.%
pavilion angle-41%
dia-7.34-7.39-4.54
Hca-1.4 e,e,vg,vg
g,si1 approx $1000-$1200 more then stone 2



and STONE 4
Table 57%
Depth 61.6%
Girdle- med-slightly thick 3.5%
Polish-ex
symmetry-ex
Crown angle-34.5%
pavilion angle-40.8%
dia-7.34-7.37-4.53
Hca-1.4 e,e,e,vg
g,si1 approx $1000-$1200 more then stone 2
has wisps listed not really familiar with these inclusions

 

[diamondseeker2006]

The diameters are basically the same. I am assuming these stones are 1.5 cts. Will they provide you with magnified images of these stones? If not, it sort of boils down to choosing the color and clarity you like best. I prefer VS2 over SI1, so I would choose #1 as long as the budget allows. If #1, is not possible, then #3 and 4 are not that much more than #2, so I'd probably go with one of them them being G color over the H.

 

[buyer2011]

I have no images but I have seen the H in person (beautiful stone) but I may move up to a G and vs2. If you had to choose to better one thing first would it be color or clarity; or just suck it up and do both? Does stepping it up to a Vs2 help resale and apprasail value significantly? Thank you

 

[NervousBuyer]

1. Don't buy for its resale value.

2. It's a preferance. I'm more inclined to go with a G on a very clean SI-1, but I'd drop to an H if I had to get VS2 to be clean. VS2 is many peoples' sweet spot,; I like clean SI1s and prefer to get better colour. If you can't see the difference, however, why spend money increasing on either? Does an H look like a G to you (very well might when set)? Can you see the inclusions in an SI1? If not, why pay for it? Unless money is no object and you want it to be mind-clean. I don't like to pay for what I can't see.

3. I know 34 CA is technically not bad, but the PA is 40.8, not 41, just something to keep in mind. The other stones have CA/PAs some might like better, but what do you like? Maybe you can't even tell (I can't without looking at ASET/IS etc).

 

[buyer2011]

Thank you all for the assistance. I am sure I will have a ton more questions as I narrow down the search.

 

[diamondseeker2006]

And one more thing. Don't fall for an inflated appraisal. All that does is mean you overpay for the insurance premium! Unless you buy second hand well under retail value, you want your ring to be appraised at close to what you paid, because you could replace it at that price if it was lost the next day. Some people like maybe a 10% increase just to cover price increases over a period of time so they don't have to go reappraise often. But I have had "appraisals" that were like 30-40% more than I paid, and I did not use those appraisals.