Asscher help...thoughts on this one....

[boyscout]

My search has evolved from radiant cuts to Asscher cuts. I'd appreciate any advice/opinions on the following stone I'm considering:

Asscher
1.54ct
F
VS1
67.50% depth
60% table
VG/VG
faint fluor.

Can also provide dimensions.

Thanks!
Boyscout

 

[jaz464]

Hi Boyscout, we need some pictures. Can't tell enough about asschers without them. Is this an online diamond? Have you seen it in person?

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Sounds good so far!

Now we need pics!

 

[boyscout]

Thx for the responses. I dont have any pix (yet...will try to get some), but I've seen the stone in person. Under flat lighting (fluorescent) it looks good--no shadows and seems to have depth. Under bright light (halogen or somesuch) it seems to have a lot of brilliance and bounce. I have not seen it in daylight yet, but will beforehand if I decide to buy it. I have examined it with a loupe, and although I am far from an expert, I couldn't see the inclusions. (I have looked at at least a dozen candidates, and in almost all cases I was able to see the inclusions without professional guidance.) Even when using the GIA certificate's diagram as a crutch, I can't see the inclusions, since they are off to the side and very small.

Can anyone confirm if the proportions (6.46x6.33x4.27) are correct for an ideal cut or close-to-ideal?

Thx!

 

[Indira-London]

Date: 10/28/2008 7:22:25 AM
Author: boyscout
Thx for the responses. I dont have any pix (yet...will try to get some), but I''ve seen the stone in person. Under flat lighting (fluorescent) it looks good--no shadows and seems to have depth. Under bright light (halogen or somesuch) it seems to have a lot of brilliance and bounce. I have not seen it in daylight yet, but will beforehand if I decide to buy it. I have examined it with a loupe, and although I am far from an expert, I couldn''t see the inclusions. (I have looked at at least a dozen candidates, and in almost all cases I was able to see the inclusions without professional guidance.) Even when using the GIA certificate''s diagram as a crutch, I can''t see the inclusions, since they are off to the side and very small.

Can anyone confirm if the proportions (6.46x6.33x4.27) are correct for an ideal cut or close-to-ideal?

Thx!

Unlike round brilliant diamonds which can be judged on proportions - there are no "ideal" proportions for fancy shapes. Hence, the only lab so far to evaluate fancy shape diamonds is AGS which assesses them on the basis of light performance rather than proportions.

Unlike round brilliant diamonds, there are no defined range of proportions which can be used to predict whether a fancy shape diamond (e.g. princess, pear, emerald cut, radiant, cushion, asscher, oval, heart, marquise...etc) is well-cut.

Whilst AGS grading is possible for a number of fancy shapes (e.g. princess, emerald cut including sqaure emerald cut, oval), so far there are very very few AGS ideal graded fancy cut diamonds available on the market - as princess cuts are the most popular fancy shape, in practice the very few AGS ideal cut reports tend to be for princess cut diamonds.

Once you post pictures including ASET if you can then people will be able to comment on your diamond.

 

[boyscout]

What would be fair price on this? Is $7000/ct a good deal?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/28/2008 7:22:25 AM
Author: boyscout

Can anyone confirm if the proportions (6.46x6.33x4.27) are correct for an ideal cut or close-to-ideal?


Thx!

That is fine.
Need pictures to help you more.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/28/2008 10:38:05 AM
Author: boyscout
What would be fair price on this? Is $7000/ct a good deal?

its in the right range.

 

[boyscout]

Thanks, Karl. I''m new here--is there a PM function that I could use to send you a specific question or two?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/28/2008 2:37:29 PM
Author: boyscout
Thanks, Karl. I''m new here--is there a PM function that I could use to send you a specific question or two?

no there isn''t a pm function unfortunately.
If your ok with asking in the open I would be glad to help.

 

[boyscout]

No problem. Actually, a question and a request for your (and anyone else''s) opinion on another stone (I think I''m down to the two stones now).

Question: Most Asscher''s I''ve seen have three facets on the pavilion. Is it okay if they have four rows of facets on the pavilion?

Any opinion on this stone?:

1.57ct
E
VS1
68.4 depth
55 table
Ex polish
VG sym
No fluorescence
Four rows of facets on the pavilion, three on the crown

Seems to be very lively (much more faceting that a regular Asscher).
It is significantly more $ per ct than the other stone, but the other stone was Fvs1.

Thanks!

 

[NewEnglandLady]

The extra step on the pavilion will make it appear more like a Royal Asscher cut (RAs have 5 steps on the pavilion). The extra step coupled with the smaller table is likely to give this stone some enviable fire--just curious, do you know the crown height?

Some prefer the look of a generic (3 steps on crown, 3 steps on pavilion) and some love the thinner steps and smaller table of a Royal Asscher-type cut. Did you see them side-by-side?

 

[boyscout]

Thx, NELady...I did compare it side by side with other, regular Asschers, but not the one at the top of this thread (that is at another vendor). It definitely had more going on compared to the regular cut stones.

I don't know the crown height, but I seem to recall that it was higher than the other Asschers that I looked at.

 

[boyscout]

I am now questioning my choice on color/clarity. I am very interested in the second stone, but at the end of the day, when mounted, am I really going to tell the difference that it is Evs1? Is there a sweetspot for price/value in Asschers? Should I look at an F or G, VS2 or lower, and use the savings to increase the size?

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/29/2008 10:48:56 AM
Author: boyscout
I am now questioning my choice on color/clarity. I am very interested in the second stone, but at the end of the day, when mounted, am I really going to tell the difference that it is Evs1? Is there a sweetspot for price/value in Asschers? Should I look at an F or G, VS2 or lower, and use the savings to increase the size?

color is personal preference.
The thing with asschers is a well cut one in hand is worth 40 on a list, not knowing how well this one is cut kinda limits the answers we can give.
In general stay vs2 or over unless you get real lucky and find an eyeclean si1 in stock someplace, they are very rare.

 

[boyscout]

Thanks, strmrdr.

I know it isn't as good as pictures or seeing in person, but do you have any opinion (as far as cut quality) based on these specs:

1.57ct
E
VS1
68.4 depth
55 table
Ex polish
VG sym
No fluorescence
Four rows of facets on the pavilion, three on the crown

Seems to be very lively (8 more facets than a three-step Asscher).
It is significantly more $ per ct than the other stone, but the other stone was Fvs1.

Thanks!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/29/2008 2:32:01 PM
Author: boyscout
Thanks, strmrdr.


I know it isn't as good as pictures or seeing in person, but do you have any opinion (as far as cut quality) based on these specs:


1.57ct

E

VS1

68.4 depth

55 table

Ex polish

VG sym

No fluorescence

Four rows of facets on the pavilion, three on the crown


Seems to be very lively (8 more facets than a three-step Asscher).

It is significantly more $ per ct than the other stone, but the other stone was Fvs1.


Thanks!

Which stone screamed take me home?
The extra facets aren't worth any kind of premium in themselves.

 

[dsy]

the extra facets may not necessarily translate into being worth more to others, but it''s a characteristic that is harder to find in asschers and personally i LOVE having that 4th step...

it makes the stone look so much deeper and mesmerizing next to one that has only 3 steps. the royal asscher has 5 steps and you definitely pay a premium for that.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 10/30/2008 12:39:47 AM
Author: dsy
the extra facets may not necessarily translate into being worth more to others, but it's a characteristic that is harder to find in asschers and personally i LOVE having that 4th step...

it makes the stone look so much deeper and mesmerizing next to one that has only 3 steps.

That is not always true.
A 3 step can look exactly like a 4 step and vis-versa.
There are also bad and good versions of both out there.