Asscher Girdle Help!

[lovewhitediamonds]

Hi Everyone,

About to pull the trigger an asscher stone, but girdle is Thick-VThick, and wondered if that is really a huge issue or not.
I have seen this stone in person, and it''s a SPARKLER.... Gorgeous.... Besides extra weight, what is the drawback (if any) to a Thick-VThick girdle?


Thank you for your help!

 

[Gypsy]

If the stone is otherwise lovely and the spread works for you, I wouldn''t let that girdle bother me at all. It sounds like a fairly even girdle, it''s not too thin, and you love the stone. So no worries!

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Post its dimensions and weight and we can tell you how small it appears for its relative weight

 

[kellyfish]

Date: 11/10/2007 10:23:02 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Post its dimensions and weight and we can tell you how small it appears for its relative weight

Are you being clever in a "post it on PS so it can be picked apart to the point that you'll never be able to look at it the same" sort of way? I often find your posts very real-life and common sense which I frankly appreciate.........

 

[strmrdr]

thats the only downside...
thick girdles are pretty much a fact of life with asschers these days.
Well actualy in the old days too.
They always have been deep and thick girdled.
Either you love the cut enough too look past it or you buy another shape.....

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Date: 11/10/2007 11:11:56 PM
Author: kellyfish

Date: 11/10/2007 10:23:02 PM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Post its dimensions and weight and we can tell you how small it appears for its relative weight

Are you being clever in a ''post it on PS so it can be picked apart to the point that you''ll never be able to look at it the same'' sort of way? I often find your posts very real-life and common sense which I frankly appreciate.........

OK Kelly, i am pretty blunt

You can DIY here
http://www.pricescope.com/panning.aspx
Enter the weight give or take - but you must use the "In house" Asschers. There may not be many stones - so use a wide range of color clarity etc.
The right side SPREAD column is the one you want. 0.0 = the same spread as a Tolkowsky round.
You will see asschers range from -10% to -40%, but this is not dead accurate because we do not know the corner ratio''s

But you do not want a thin or even a medium girdle in a sqyuare stone - see a current thread about chipped tiffany diamond lemon

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

sorry for the late reply -- been traveling all day!

Here are the specs... here''s my take: something has to give at some point, sure would I like the most perfect asscher? YES! But, there is a budget that I need to stay within.... and in person the stone is just lovely... at what point do you stop analyzing the numbers on paper, and just enjoy the beauty of the stone? and at what point do you stop looking?
If it''s a matter of millimeters, I just don''t think it would bother me in the long haul.... Thanks everyone for your time and advice.

4.09 Carat
8.79 x 8.67x 6.02
Table: 64%
Depth: 69.4%
Crown: 14.2%
Sym: EX
Pol: EX
Fluor: None
Culet: None
1.01 Ratio

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

The spread on your stone (if the corners are medium sized) is -24%, so it is not a train wreck (-35% is bad).

Date: 11/11/2007 4:51:07 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
sorry for the late reply -- been traveling all day!

Here are the specs... here''s my take: something has to give at some point, sure would I like the most perfect asscher? YES! But, there is a budget that I need to stay within.... and in person the stone is just lovely... at what point do you stop analyzing the numbers on paper, and just enjoy the beauty of the stone? and at what point do you stop looking?
If it''s a matter of millimeters, I just don''t think it would bother me in the long haul.... Thanks everyone for your time and advice.

4.09 Carat
8.79 x 8.67x 6.02
Table: 64%
Depth: 69.4%
Crown: 14.2%
Sym: EX
Pol: EX
Fluor: None
Culet: None
1.01 Ratio

The numbers on paper mean nothing.
Asschers are about patterns and balance. If you can get an ASET photo of the stone we can help with more info, but the data above is not much help for beauty or performance.

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

what''s ideal spread range? should I keep looking? it''s just so beautiful, but I really haven''t seen a ton of stones....especially in the "ideal" cut range.. (very hard to find those tables under 64%!) ... thanks

 

[strmrdr]

view it in all kinds of different lighting and if the stone pulls you into it in diffused lighting (cloudy day, office lighting) and dazzles you with fire in direct light especially when moved. (sunlight, spot lights, direct light) then buy it.

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

Thanks Storm ...we did check it out in every kind of light and thought it was amazing... but now the "it''s not a trainwreck" comment by Garry is in the back of my head.... Guess I will have to get the ASET image and some pics for you guys to check out. The stone does "call to me" however... so I might have to ignore the spread.

Do you see any asschers out there with that 10 mile deep look, that would be worth bringing in? Nothing less than G, No fl, and would like to get as close to facing up as a 3ct round-- but stay under $80K? I know, tall order right?

Thanks -- you''re awesome, and I really want this stone to be "storm worthy" as I have learned so much from your posts.

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

here''s a pic

 

[chrono]

Holy windmills! What an asscher!

 

[widget]

Date: 11/11/2007 4:51:07 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds

....in person the stone is just lovely... at what point do you stop analyzing the numbers on paper, and just enjoy the beauty of the stone?

I strongly believe that one should stop analysing numbers as soon as they''ve seen the stone in person.

...at what point do you stop looking?

When you''ve found one that ''calls to you''....

....just my opinions and biases, of course. I''ve got a gorgeous old asscher which is a dellight to behold...but might be considered a ''trainwreck'' if numbers alone were considered....

In the picture, anyway, that stone looks fabulous!!!

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[lovewhitediamonds]

Date: 11/12/2007 12:29:04 PM
Author: widget

Date: 11/11/2007 4:51:07 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds

....in person the stone is just lovely... at what point do you stop analyzing the numbers on paper, and just enjoy the beauty of the stone?

I strongly believe that one should stop analysing numbers as soon as they''ve seen the stone in person.

...at what point do you stop looking?

When you''ve found one that ''calls to you''....

....just my opinions and biases, of course. I''ve got a gorgeous old asscher which is a dellight to behold...but might be considered a ''trainwreck'' if numbers alone were considered....

In the picture, anyway, that stone looks fabulous!!!

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I''ve seen that GORGEOUS asscher of yours and it is a beauty... I''m just so confused. I want a beautiful stone, but want it to have good numbers too (for peace of mind maybe?)... it''s such a leap of faith

 

[Gypsy]

It's not a trainwreck-- it's a pet peeve of mine when people (experts included) use that term and plant a kernel of doubt where there is none-- and shouldn't be any. It's a fancy-- if you've looked at enough of them and this one calls to you, it's the RIGHT stone. ASET and numbers and all of that aside. My diamond was picked by our eyes, and yes, the numbers and ASET and everything do check out FOUR YEARS LATER. But you aren't staring at an ASET on your finger, you're staring at your diamond. And yours looks very very lovely. If you love it, and the specs are within the right range... and the only 'flaw' is a thick gridle... go for it. And ignore the thoughtless 'trainwreck' remarks, sometimes people don't realize the impact their words have.

It's lovely, enjoy it.

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

Thanks Gypsy!..I guess my doubt is that with the holidays coming -- there will be a lot more stones to choose from "in the funnel". Maybe I should wait? Or, should I purchase the stone, get it appraised etc, stare at it for many hours and then decide?

 

[Gypsy]

It's always hard when you are purchasing something really expensive and it's natural to wonder if there is a 'more perfect' one out there.

Here's the story of my diamond.

We asked a jeweler to bring three in within certain specs. All specs were ideal range. So all the diamonds were ideal range.

Two of them ON PAPER looked the best. But our jeweler told us the other one was the winner. But he didn't tell us which that one was, and showed us all three without their numbers/specs and asked John to pick with his eyes. One blew the others out of the water. So he chose that one... it was the one that was the 'least' perfect numerically. No Aset, no ideal scope, or idea what the crown height was, or anything. Just eyes alone.

I've recently had it appraised and was told it was exceptional. So my feeling is, you've looked at many asschers, and THIS is the one that has called to you, and that you were excited about. Your love of the stone was translated onto the page and really came through in your post. So whether or not one comes along that has a smaller table or a thinner girdle, or WHATEVER, there may also be one that has all of that... but doesn't speak to you the way this one does. And that's the most important thing. You love the way it LOOKS. That's key.

Plus, honey you are looking in a large carat size, I can't imagine there being a FLOOD of four carat asschers suddently available in the market just because it's the holiday season.

So I vote that you " purchase the stone, get it appraised etc, stare at it for many hours and then decide?"

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/12/2007 11:14:29 AM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
here's a pic

kicken
buy it :}

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

Thanks for the info Gypsy ... wonderful story.
Well, I haven''t seen a ton of asschers -- this was my first time viewing. The vendor brought in (3) and we selected the best out of the (3). I also viewed a few Royals to compare. I thought I would want the Royal, but I liked this one better. It''s just so hard to have a vendor keep bringing in stones....plus, we had to get on a plane to see these. I don''t know, I''m at a crossroads. I guess if I wait, I take the chance of the stone selling... and have to ask myself if that''s ok or not....

Thanks again for your advice - I really needed to talk this out.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/12/2007 12:54:06 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
Thanks Gypsy!..I guess my doubt is that with the holidays coming -- there will be a lot more stones to choose from ''in the funnel''. Maybe I should wait? Or, should I purchase the stone, get it appraised etc, stare at it for many hours and then decide?

I highly doubt there are going to be any new 4 ct asschers coming on the market soon.
Large rough is highly problematic to get right now.

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

Thanks Storm.....So, do you think the windmills are ok on this one? Because when I saw it in person they didn''t stand out that much and really blended into the stone... This one has 5 steps... oh, and it''s a G VS2. Do you see anything that screams "red flag"? Thank you, thank you, thank you

 

[Gypsy]

Date: 11/12/2007 1:08:17 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
Thanks for the info Gypsy ... wonderful story.
Well, I haven't seen a ton of asschers -- this was my first time viewing. The vendor brought in (3) and we selected the best out of the (3). I also viewed a few Royals to compare. I thought I would want the Royal, but I liked this one better. It's just so hard to have a vendor keep bringing in stones....plus, we had to get on a plane to see these. I don't know, I'm at a crossroads. I guess if I wait, I take the chance of the stone selling... and have to ask myself if that's ok or not....

Thanks again for your advice - I really needed to talk this out.

We looked at 3 as well, before choosing. Plus you've seen RA's... the 'ideal' asscher, and you love this one better. That says it all to me.

It's got Storm's seal of approval too. And at a G VS2 it sounds ideal. Mine's a F VS1, and if I could have eeked out a little more size with an eyeclean G VS2 I would have done so in a heart beat.

You've seen it, it's clean, and it's sparkley, and lovely. Trust yourself.

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/12/2007 1:16:06 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
Thanks Storm.....So, do you think the windmills are ok on this one? Because when I saw it in person they didn''t stand out that much and really blended into the stone... This one has 5 steps... oh, and it''s a G VS2. Do you see anything that screams ''red flag''? Thank you, thank you, thank you

windmills are fine :}
in the right light they will pop.
G-vs2 is perfect.

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

WOW ... so, it''s storm worthy? my dreams have come true! Thanks for all your help!

 

[strmrdr]

Date: 11/12/2007 1:40:25 PM
Author: lovewhitediamonds
WOW ... so, it''s storm worthy? my dreams have come true! Thanks for all your help!

yep
Welcome.

 

[NewEnglandLady]

Oh my goodness, I absolutely, postively LOVE that stone. The windmills are perfect and the pattern looks beautiful. I so have asscher envy right now--it''s an amazing stone! Congrats to you and an even bigger congrats to the lucky lady who will wear it! We''re going to want lots of pics

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

Ok, I have until tomorrow to purchase this one -- looks like I should do it, yet why am I hesitating!!!? The DH is all for it, yet me being the constant "shopper" can''t pull the trigger?

Should I wait to find one with a medium girdle to get more size? UGH!! This is such a hard decision -- and it''s so hard to keep viewing stones.

Is 4ct really hard to come by?

Again, a million thanks for your comments!

 

[chrono]

Even if you find one with a medium girdle, the other stats may not fall in place (deeper stone, lower crown height, etc) or may not be as pretty (not as pronounced windmills).

Finding a well cut asscher with a good pattern is difficult enough, and throwing that size to the mix make it MUCH harder.

Here''s a good thought that Storm might be able to help out on. With some sort of diamond calculater, perhaps an expert can guesstimate what is the extra spread you can expect if the girdle was medium. I''m guessing not much, maybe something around 0.01 mm or 0.02 mm?

 

[lovewhitediamonds]

Thanks Chrono -- this one also has EX sym and EX polish, which is great....(sigh) guess I know what I need to do!