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Hi everyone,

I posted a few days ago about my lust for the DK rosebud setting and whether I should get it custom made or the original.
To update:
- I have decided I definitely want platinum
- I tried on a 1.2 ct asscher DK ring - split shank setting - and the 1.2 was fine on my finger. I think I would be happy with 1 ct
- Our budget has increased to $12-13k

The jeweller didnt have any rosebuds in stock, so they are getting one in for me to try. They have approximated $15k AUD (so, about 12-13K USD) for a 1ct rosebud of G-H colour and eyeclean. Presuming we love the ring when I try it on, I am then not sure whether to:

- Buy original, or have it custom made with a bigger diamond?
- Where to buy an asscher if having custom made?
- If buying original, do I need to even question the cut? All the DK cut diamonds I saw looked amazing - but I am not hugely knowledgable about these things. What I do know is, the jeweller told me that all DK SI1s are eye-clean - yet the one I saw had a noticeable inclusion in it - which they initially tried to tell me was dirt!! Gah. And then, when I insisted, they said "Oh yes, youre right, ha ha ha"
- So given that I do not have the greatest amount of trust for this vendor, should I try and get the original from someone else? I am still waiting on a response from Bill at Pearlmans.

Sorry for all the questions, I am just so overwhelmed - and my brain is so blinged-out that I seemed to have lost my ability to make rational decisions.

xxxx
 
Yes, I''d still get the stats. And I think the all DK SI1''s are eyeclean is hogwash. But IF I could, and was happy with a one carat diamond (although I don''t care about the carat size... I care about the mm size) I would get the real thing. Did you contact Pearlman''s for a qoute though? I really would.
 
Hi Gypsy - yep, I have contacted Pearlman''s. It will be another 4-6 weeks before the local vendor has the rosebud in, so hopefully Bill will get back to me by then.
They also told me that all DK diamonds were Ideal Ideal Ideal cut - do you know if this refers to Symmetry and Polish? Or should I look at those stats as well?

As far as size goes, I am really not sure - I am 23, and I dont really feel it is appropriate for me to have a huuuge diamond on my finger - this may change as I get older though.
 
What I've heard is that DK is the largest buyer of asschers and generally gets first pic on the best of them. BUT that doesn't mean that they are identical. They are individual stones and some will be nicer than others. Same thing happens at Tiffany's. All are Tiffany standards and touted as ideal. But some are nicer looking that others! So I'd be sure that you like the actual stone. If you are looking at it and love it, numbers are secondary. But since you ARE paying a premium for the 'assurance' and expertise of DK at picking the sucker... I'd make sure that my knowledge of asschers confirms that I'm getting what I am paying that premium for.

ETA: Honey, CALL pearlmans. Bill gets overloaded with email and is only human.
 
Thanks so much Gypsy, that is good to know!
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Bellamy,

My name is Daniel and I have been sitting on the fence here for a few years watching for a while.

Forgive me for not understanding what a " rosebud " and DK mean. Can you please explain?

I am not sure if I am missing something here.

The price quoted USD$12-13k for a 1ct Asscher cut in G/H is way over the top. For that price you can have an Asscher 1.50ct G VS2
Very Good cut or a 1ct F VVS for under USD$7,500.

An Asscher cut 1ct should not cost you more than USD$4,800 max in a H VS2 Very Good

Because of the nature of the Asscher cut ( Square Emerald) most Si clarity inclusions if in the centre of the stone are easily visible pending on the position, size and colour. A black "pepper" in the centre of a nice Asscher cut usually causes the most normal people to behave like obsessed pendantic neurotics while attempting to scratch away what they think is dirt without success.

At first they might not see it until it is pointed out but once they know it''s there they go mental looking at it.

However considering you are prepared to pay as high as USD$13k there is no reason why you can not purchase a VS stone instead in a larger carat weight.

Hope this helps and good hunting,

Daniel F Katz GG
Diamond Imports Pty Ltd
Sydney Australia
 
Hi Daniel,

DK refers to Daniel K, and "rosebud" is a style of ring that he manufactures - see www.danielk.net for pics.

The price of US $12-13k is for the asscher and the setting - it is a platinum micropave setting, so that is part of why the price is so high.
As I understand, there is also quite a premium on DK diamonds - which is why I am not sure whether I want to pay the premium and know I am getting exactly what I want, or source the diamond and have a custom setting.

ETA: Thanks for the info re pricing, I am just having a look at your site now.
 
Bellamy,
Omg another Daniel K.... Does anyone know what the K stands for ?
Thanks for the info.
I will check it out.
You would be much better off concentrating your efforts on finding a suitable diamond and worry about the ring later.
Don''t get sucked into the diamond with ring combo option as a package deal.
Treat them both seperately.
DK
 
K is for Koren
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If I can find a loose diamond I like, and a jeweller I trust then I will be more swayed towards the custom setting - although I LOVE the design, and dont really like the idea of somebody else copying it...
As per my previous thread, the only quote I have received so far for a custom setting (alone) was $5-6k USD.
 
Date: 9/8/2007 3:21:29 AM
Author: DIAMOND DAN
Bellamy,
Omg another Daniel K.... Does anyone know what the K stands for ?
Thanks for the info.
I will check it out.
You would be much better off concentrating your efforts on finding a suitable diamond and worry about the ring later.
Don''t get sucked into the diamond with ring combo option as a package deal.
Treat them both seperately.
DK
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Would normally agree. But this is a designer ring, like a Tiffany ring. So it''s a package deal. DK doesn''t sell their settings alone. And if she wants the setting, and she can afford the ring, then I think she should have the original, the real thing.


I''d love to find a viable setting option for you a knock off by a reputable design line, but so far no luck, and custom is going to run you a lot, as we''ve discussed Cause you need a handfabricated setting by a pave professional designer. SO... going custom doesn''t leave a lot of $$ for the stone anyway. Might as well get the package deal. If you can afford it, I saw go for it
I think Pearlmans will beat your ''deal'' from this guy. If not in price, in finding you a ''true'' eyeclean and a fabulously cut asscher with good spread.
 
Bellamy,

If the step cut of the Asscher is not imperative have you also considered the Square Radiant cut diamond?

It is similar to the Asscher with it''s corners cut off but has the bling ! Square Radiants are very under rated and generally their lower demand is translated into lower prices. I have had dealers throw these at me because no one usually wants them so sometimes you can find a good buy.

However !!!!.... You can see your future in the excellent symmetry of a well cut Asscher~~~ it''s hypnotic~~~

I have an Asscher 1.81ct D VVS1 GIA Excellent...cost me a fortune but the excellent symmetry just blows me away every time.

Make sure the symmetry is excellent. Skewiff off centred Asschers are disappointing.

I just checked out the Rosebud setting from Daniel K.

To be honest not my cup of tea as they say in the classix.... I don''t like the spherical combination of the bottom of the setting contrasting against the cubism of the Asscher. It looks nice now but it''s one of those rings that will date quickly with changing fashions.

Keep it simple and ellegant and it never dates.

Check out www.kobelli.com for some other ring designs. You might see some new ideas.

DK
 
Hiya Gypsy and hello Bellamy again.
The ring should cost approx USD$2000 Hand Made and depending on the size of the smaller diamonds being approximately 0.02ct each in collection colour VS excellent/ very good cuts approx USD$30 per stone which includes diamond setting charges, polishing and rhodium plating all up plus taxes if applicable.
The fact that you are looking at a mass produced cast ring for market consumption means you can buy much better from a reputable tradesman.
I am not saying the ring is inferior from Daniel K but you need to appreciate rings similar to this are being made in China now for peanuts and I might add extremely well finished.
If you are seriously wanting to have a family heirloom to be proud of then consider hand made and not mass produced.
Also it will have more meaning for you if you know who the jeweller is that manufactured the ring on your behalf.
Sadly most of the jewellery you see in the USA has to meet a certain budget in order to market it at the expense of talented qualified hand made jewellers which are a dying breed.
DK
 
Gypsy - the only reason Im not calling Pearlmans is because I''m in Australia. If Bill hasnt responded within a fortnight, I will give him a call.
 
Date: 9/8/2007 4:23:23 AM
Author: DIAMOND DAN
Hiya Gypsy and hello Bellamy again.
The ring should cost approx USD$2000 Hand Made and depending on the size of the smaller diamonds being approximately 0.02ct each in collection colour VS excellent/ very good cuts approx USD$30 per stone which includes diamond setting charges, polishing and rhodium plating all up plus taxes if applicable.
The fact that you are looking at a mass produced cast ring for market consumption means you can buy much better from a reputable tradesman.
I am not saying the ring is inferior from Daniel K but you need to appreciate rings similar to this are being made in China now for peanuts and I might add extremely well finished.
If you are seriously wanting to have a family heirloom to be proud of then consider hand made and not mass produced.
Also it will have more meaning for you if you know who the jeweller is that manufactured the ring on your behalf.
Sadly most of the jewellery you see in the USA has to meet a certain budget in order to market it at the expense of talented qualified hand made jewellers which are a dying breed.
DK
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Hi and welcome to PS.
One is not going to get that setting handmade for 2k from a skilled micro-pave expert it requires.
Also if you look into DK you will find they aren''t mass produced cast junk.
There are several designer lines that I would agree with your comments on but there are others that are well made heirloom pieces.
 
Dear strmrdr

I have been manufacturing jewellery for 35 years in Australia and my late father for over fifty years.
The prices I mentioned are the prices I charge my clients.
There is no law against overcharging however if someone wishes to pay more elsewhere it''s their choice.
I do not quote a price on jewellery I am unable to manufacture and not profit from.
Incidentally micro pave set diamonds are typical of today''s cast jewellery but believe it or not Australia is one of the last bastions of where we still have diamond setters who will set diamonds pave and hand make milligrain channels.
It too is a dying art.
This does not mean the Rosebud ring is over priced. It just means I am more competative.
I find two sorts of clients 1) The brand name client who wants to buy from a brand name store at any cost or 2) The more astute educated client who realises he can save money by not paying for the hype and marketing.
Sorry Bellamy had no idea you were from Oz....Ozy Ozy Ozy Oy Oy Oy !!!
Be well,
DK
 
Date: 9/8/2007 4:53:04 AM
Author: DIAMOND DAN
Dear strmrdr

I have been manufacturing jewellery for 35 years in Australia and my late father for over fifty years.
The prices I mentioned are the prices I charge my clients.
There is no law against overcharging however if someone wishes to pay more elsewhere it''s their choice.
DK
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No insult intended but I dont see how anyone could make that setting by hand for 2k and stay in business.
The plat. and diamonds is going too eat a very large chunk of that.
My benchmans b2b price would be higher than that on that type of setting.
 
Dear strmrdr

My apologies... I was quoting for eighteen karat white gold not platinum.

For platinum I would estimate I would charge approximately USD$3200 plus 0.02ct diamonds at USD$30 each and applicable taxes.

I still can not get used to the recent demand I have in platinum and my brain is stuck in palladium white gold mode because no matter which white metal you use they still look the same from a distance.

Most of my clients prefer to save their money on the white metal cost and buy a bigger or better quality diamond.

What purity of platinum do you work with usually in the USA ?

DK
 
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