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I am hoping to buy for my SO an asscher cut diamond as an engagment ring. Ofcourse I am practically a complete novice, although I have spent the last 2 weeks reading up on everything I can find.
My problem is that I am currently working in South Korea. It is known as the land of the morning calm but alternatively could be known as the land of the brilliant round! Nothing else really exists here so outside of flying to Hongkong, I will order sight unseen.
I am hoping for some advice on buying sight unseen and on particular asschers which I will post. My budget is modestl but my wife to be isn''t the type of girl who needs expensive things to be happy - thank God because most of my savings will be blown on the dream Thailand wedding she wants!!!!
Anyways, any advice would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

For starters, anything wrong with this?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/H-IF-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1132167.asp
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Although one of the angles looks a little wobbly, is there anything else wrong here?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1131634.asp

Or this?
http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VVS1-Good-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1131628.asp

Have a great day peoples.
 
You will need a Sarin Report and Idealscope image to judge these better. You can ask JA for them.

Also, the IF is probably overkill. You will be paying for something you can''t see. A VS1 or VS2 should be fine.

If I remember correctly, in the past someone had looked at the G VS2 and there was some leakage (I might have looked at this one, but can''t remember.)
Also, the G VVS1 seems a bit deep.
 
Ok, thanks for your input. I just like the idea of the IF diamond
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But, is 70.5% just a tad too deep - what will the effect be?
 
Well, hopefully Storm will show up, because he can help you more, but to my knowledge it will just face up smaller. So you would be paying for diamond you can''t really see. Asschers face up small anyway, so you don''t want it to face up smaller than it has to :)
 
Date: 9/22/2008 10:52:18 AM
Author: octagonal
Ok, thanks for your input. I just like the idea of the IF diamond
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But, is 70.5% just a tad too deep - what will the effect be?
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go ahead and request an IS image for the first one and post it.
It looks like the better of the 3 but the pictures can be tricky and we need the IS to back it up.
Also need crown height from the ogi scan that they can do.
 
Date: 9/22/2008 10:58:06 AM
Author: blackpolkadot
Well, hopefully Storm will show up, because he can help you more, but to my knowledge it will just face up smaller. So you would be paying for diamond you can''t really see. Asschers face up small anyway, so you don''t want it to face up smaller than it has to :)
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true sort of.
depth does not always equal spread in asschers but there is a discount on over 70% depth in a lot of cases.
If it has a negative effect besides spread depends on where the depth is.
In the crown good, in the pavilion bad.
 
Could storm or other Asscherites give me an opinion on this Asscher please:

http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/154082.html

thanks.
Ps. Still haven''t heard anything from James Allen, regarding the IS they promised me on the first diamond I posted in this thread.
 
Date: 9/29/2008 4:54:08 AM
Author: octagonal
Could storm or other Asscherites give me an opinion on this Asscher please:


http://www.exceldiamonds.com/diamond/154082.html


thanks.

Ps. Still haven''t heard anything from James Allen, regarding the IS they promised me on the first diamond I posted in this thread.
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based on the image scope image its not one I would consider.
not enough red in the center.
 
Storm,
This stone has been suggested as one with a good cut and worth looking into.
Can you give me your opinion based on the pic before I decide to have it called in.

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1143978.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

and I know you aint a fan of I colored asschers but would this be worth getting someone to look at and indicate how white it in fact faces up?

http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1131640.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

Thanks, I really appreciate your posts and your opinions.

Regards
Si
 
I can't find it, but I think that G VS1 has been looked at before, but if strm says it's worthy, you could ask for an IS image.

And the I VVS2 was referenced in this thread in June. It mentions that most people won't go below H in an asscher, but some people do. You could request an IS image for this one also, because strm did say it has a 'kicken' cut.

You might have to email JA again to ask for the information; I know it took almost 3 weeks to get the information on mine!


ETA: I don't know if you are doing this, but try searching for asschers that are premium or good cut. Sometimes you can find good ones outside of the 'ideal' cut search. That's where I found mine!
 
Hi Octogonal!

The windmill in quadrant four is off in the G and that somewhat bothers me. At this size, you probably wouldn''t notice.

I like the looks of the I a lot as long as it passes the Storm tests. But, I would go to some BM stores and look at stones to make sure you are not color sensitive. EmeraldLover1 has a J emerald that is tdf, so I think it can be an issue of taste and preference. The setting may also matter, since most color shows from underneath.

Like blackpolkadot suggested, expand your search. Since the ''ideal'' cuts really don''t apply to asschers in the same way they apply to other shapes, it is less important. Also, I looked at emeralds. Square emeralds often get categorized in emeralds. Awhile back, James Allen had a fantastic asscher listed with emeralds. It''s worth a check.
 
Date: 10/7/2008 11:22:23 PM
Author: octagonal
Storm,

This stone has been suggested as one with a good cut and worth looking into.

Can you give me your opinion based on the pic before I decide to have it called in.


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/G-VS1-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1143978.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131

need an IS to say 100% but this one I''m 80% sure has p3 leakage issues


and I know you aint a fan of I colored asschers but would this be worth getting someone to look at and indicate how white it in fact faces up?


http://www.jamesallen.com/diamonds/I-VVS2-Ideal-Cut-Asscher-Diamond-1131640.asp?b=16&a=12&c=77&cid=131
cut wise this one looks promising need an IS, I is a personal choice some people don''t mind a very little tint in some lighting



Thanks, I really appreciate your posts and your opinions.


Regards

Si
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I agree with Storm on the 3 mentioned stones.

However have you seen 3/4ct asschers? Most people get a shock at how small they are.

Must you have very high clarity?
If you find a nice SI1 or VS2 you could get up to .90ct perhaps.
I do not stock asschers under this size - they just dont do it for me.
 
Garry, mate I have an ex wife and child to support so 3k is all I can responsibly afford at this junction in my life. No I havent seen one up close but my SO has very small fingers and is more worried about having a stone that is too big! Not to say you dont have a point with the size - but there is always the upgrade option down the line. If you think a small inclusion will likely go unnoticed at that size then I would take an SI in a slightly bigger size. I just want a cool looking asscher that ticks all the boxes.
To blackpolkadot and katamari thanks for the advice, i will look in emeralds.
And thanks storm for pointing out the possible leakage, I dont think I will have Bob call it in for an inspection.
The search contuinues...............
 
Octagonal,

I am very happy with my .70 asscher. It may face up smaller than other diamonds, but I would rather have a .70 asscher on my finger than any size RB. If it''s what she loves, don''t worry about size. The size of mine is perfect for me! Katamari has a .72 asscher, I believe. They might be small, but they are gorgeous! Don''t worry about size.

Here is my .70 G VS1 asscher

And I hope katamari doesn''t mind, but here is her .72 D SI1

Those are just to give you a reference to that size. Good luck in your search. I think it took me 3-4 months to find mine!
 
I don''t mind at all, blackpolkadot!

Octagonal, I also love the size of my ring. In fact, I very honestly would not upgrade even if the opportunity was presented to me. This is probably due to my social circle, but I would feel very uncomfortable wearing a larger ring.

My stone does have to be about 2 feet away before you are able to really see the intricacies of the windmills and steps, so maybe that is why Garry prefers the larger one. Everyone who is interested in looking at it, though, wants to see it up closer than that anyway. And, like blackpolkadot said, when you are an asscher girl, you choose steps over size any day of the week.
 
Date: 10/8/2008 10:21:07 AM
Author: katamari
I don''t mind at all, blackpolkadot!


Octagonal, I also love the size of my ring. In fact, I very honestly would not upgrade even if the opportunity was presented to me. This is probably due to my social circle, but I would feel very uncomfortable wearing a larger ring.


My stone does have to be about 2 feet away before you are able to really see the intricacies of the windmills and steps, so maybe that is why Garry prefers the larger one. Everyone who is interested in looking at it, though, wants to see it up closer than that anyway. And, like blackpolkadot said, when you are an asscher girl, you choose steps over size any day of the week.
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Well said.
 
Could I have an opinion on this asscher please:

.62CT F VS2 4.91L X 4.85W X 3.08D
Crown Angle 33.7
Crown Height 12.4
Pavil Angle 41.2
Pavil Depth 48.5
Table Size 60.0
Total Depth 63.4
Girdle 2.5

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try again...

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and the IS

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and the ASET

thanks guys.

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Blackpolkadot,

Thank you for the links to the rings - they are both so beautiful, cheers
 
Date: 10/14/2008 9:13:25 AM
Author: octagonal
and the ASET


thanks guys.
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bad p3 angles not one I would consider.
 
Thanks storm but could you elaborate please?
How bad?
Is there anything else you can tell from the images i posted?

Cheers mate.
 
What it boils down to is the very center is to dark and out from it isn''t much better so overall its going to be dark.
Even tilted like in the regular picture only small areas are returning light.
That indicates that that p3 and maybe the p2 facets are at less than optimal angles.
 
Sign me up for the nearly 3/4 ct. Asscher crew!

Octagonal, if your g/f has smallish fingers, and she loves absolutely Asschers, a .70ish will be a nice size for her.
 
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