article: 21 things to never buy new

[waterlilly]

Date: 7/1/2010 7:45:30 AM
Author: Loves Vintage
I think the problem with girlface''s original post is not that she got her dog with a breeder, but that she communicated her anger with other people promoting pet adoption. She also ranted that out of 21 items, pet adoption should not be on the list, which is the topic of this thread. Should not be on the list because SHE chose to get her dog from a breeder.


She later went on to clarify that she feels ''so bombarded with pet adoption commercials and advertisements being thrown into [their] faces by the ASPCA and PETA.''


girlface, you seem to have a very self-centered viewpoint on this issue. There are hundreds of thousands of people who donate money to the ASPCA in hopes that the donation will further the cause of pet adoption, yet YOU are somehow offended by this. Ignore the goodwill of hundreds of thousands of people! For sure, their viewpoints do not matter as much as yours. I mean for goodness sakes, you COULD change the channel on your TV to avoid the ''bombardment'' and ''offense'' of such commercials, but why should YOU have to?!?!? I mean, it''s really ridiculous, isn''t it? Don''t they know that you bought your dog? How dare they try to prevent a few more pets from suffering the fates articulated by HVVS and Waterlily? That''s just wrong, because after all, the world does revolve around you. Except, it doesn''t.


I found your post completely self-centered and perhaps feet-stompingly childish. And, that, HouseCat, is why no one is calling out the cat buyers in this thread. They didn''t come to state their claim that adoption should not be encouraged. Plenty of posters here have bought their dogs and cats and post photos when they do. No one tells them they shouldn''t, but I really think that is because they don''t gloat about having bought their pet and then ranted about adoption. By the way, the Humane Society of the US estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are euthanized by shelters in the US each year. Taking the high estimate, that is 10,959 pets euthanized per day. And girlface is going to suggest that people should not advocate adoption because it somehow inconveniences her!?! That is just selfish. The HSUS also estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are adopted each year.


I don''t think the issue really is whether people should adopt or buy. People are going to do what they want to do. I''ve encouraged many people to adopt and will continue to do so. This is obviously a very sensitive issues. After reading HVVS''s post, my heart just dropped. It makes me so horribly sad, knowing how some animals are killed on a routine basis because of overpopulation. People have different emotions attached to this issue. Some people are able to ignore the euthanasia issue entirely. It doesn''t affect them, why should they care? Other people are absolutely sick over it.

EXACTLY

Great post!

 

[rhbgirl24]

Date: 6/29/2010 7:39:31 PM

Date: 6/29/2010 5:41:07 PM



Starter home - our home was 30 years old when we purchased it. Non stop maintenance, that''s why. What I wouldn''t give for new floors, new walls, a basement that didn''t have 30 years of dirt/dust, a furnace that was brand new, pipes that were brand new, a layout that I chose myself, new windows - you name it. There are PLENTY of reasons to buy a new home!


Hair stuff, Cosmetics, Shoes - right with you there, just can''t do it.

We bought a 4 year old home. Still pretty much new everything, but 60K cheaper than the people who purchased it from construction. So I agree, a fairly new home would be a good purchase!

 

[Prana]

Date: 7/1/2010 7:45:30 AM
Author: Loves Vintage
I think the problem with girlface''s original post is not that she got her dog with a breeder, but that she communicated her anger with other people promoting pet adoption. She also ranted that out of 21 items, pet adoption should not be on the list, which is the topic of this thread. Should not be on the list because SHE chose to get her dog from a breeder.

She later went on to clarify that she feels ''so bombarded with pet adoption commercials and advertisements being thrown into [their] faces by the ASPCA and PETA.''

girlface, you seem to have a very self-centered viewpoint on this issue. There are hundreds of thousands of people who donate money to the ASPCA in hopes that the donation will further the cause of pet adoption, yet YOU are somehow offended by this. Ignore the goodwill of hundreds of thousands of people! For sure, their viewpoints do not matter as much as yours. I mean for goodness sakes, you COULD change the channel on your TV to avoid the ''bombardment'' and ''offense'' of such commercials, but why should YOU have to?!?!? I mean, it''s really ridiculous, isn''t it? Don''t they know that you bought your dog? How dare they try to prevent a few more pets from suffering the fates articulated by HVVS and Waterlily? That''s just wrong, because after all, the world does revolve around you. EXCEPT, it doesn''t.

I found your post completely self-centered and perhaps feet-stompingly childish.

And, that, HouseCat, is why no one is calling out cat buyers in this thread. They didn''t come to state their claim that adoption should not be encouraged. Plenty of posters here have bought their dogs and cats and post photos when they do. No one tells them they shouldn''t have, but I really think that is because they don''t gloat about having bought their pet and then rant about adoption advertisements. By the way, the Humane Society of the US estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are euthanized by shelters in the US each year. Taking the high estimate, that is 10,959 pets euthanized per day. And girlface is going to suggest that people should not advocate adoption because it somehow inconveniences her!?! That is just selfish. The HSUS also estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are adopted each year.

I don''t think the issue really is whether people should adopt or buy. People are going to do what they want to do. I''ve encouraged many people to adopt and will continue to do so. This is obviously a very sensitive issue. After reading HVVS''s post, my heart just dropped. It makes me so horribly sad, knowing how some animals are killed on a routine basis due to overpopulation. People have different emotions attached to this issue. Some people are able to ignore the euthanasia issue entirely. It doesn''t affect them -- why should they care? Other people are absolutely sick over it.

I never said I got angry with the promotion of pet adoption. My anger comes from the people who throw it in my face. I probably should have articulated that better in my original post. Which was also meant to be somewhat of a sarcastic post, but that sentiment was missed on a few posters, and I can see how. I never said I felt bombarded by pet adoption commercials, I said that I feel that we are programmed to feel guilty if we do not adopt. That was also a personal opinion.

I''ve stated many times that I 100% support pet adoption. My viewpoints are not self-centered. Just because I made a decision to buy from a breeder does not mean that pet euthanasia doesn''t make me sick to my stomach. I''m a pet lover.

I don''t think I''m the self centered poster here.

 

[Loves Vintage]

Date: 7/1/2010 9:10:23 AM
Author: girlface

Date: 7/1/2010 7:45:30 AM
Author: Loves Vintage
I think the problem with girlface's original post is not that she got her dog with a breeder, but that she communicated her anger with other people promoting pet adoption. She also ranted that out of 21 items, pet adoption should not be on the list, which is the topic of this thread. Should not be on the list because SHE chose to get her dog from a breeder.

She later went on to clarify that she feels 'so bombarded with pet adoption commercials and advertisements being thrown into [their] faces by the ASPCA and PETA.'

girlface, you seem to have a very self-centered viewpoint on this issue. There are hundreds of thousands of people who donate money to the ASPCA in hopes that the donation will further the cause of pet adoption, yet YOU are somehow offended by this. Ignore the goodwill of hundreds of thousands of people! For sure, their viewpoints do not matter as much as yours. I mean for goodness sakes, you COULD change the channel on your TV to avoid the 'bombardment' and 'offense' of such commercials, but why should YOU have to?!?!? I mean, it's really ridiculous, isn't it? Don't they know that you bought your dog? How dare they try to prevent a few more pets from suffering the fates articulated by HVVS and Waterlily? That's just wrong, because after all, the world does revolve around you. EXCEPT, it doesn't.

I found your post completely self-centered and perhaps feet-stompingly childish.

And, that, HouseCat, is why no one is calling out cat buyers in this thread. They didn't come to state their claim that adoption should not be encouraged. Plenty of posters here have bought their dogs and cats and post photos when they do. No one tells them they shouldn't have, but I really think that is because they don't gloat about having bought their pet and then rant about adoption advertisements. By the way, the Humane Society of the US estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are euthanized by shelters in the US each year. Taking the high estimate, that is 10,959 pets euthanized per day. And girlface is going to suggest that people should not advocate adoption because it somehow inconveniences her!?! That is just selfish. The HSUS also estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are adopted each year.

I don't think the issue really is whether people should adopt or buy. People are going to do what they want to do. I've encouraged many people to adopt and will continue to do so. This is obviously a very sensitive issue. After reading HVVS's post, my heart just dropped. It makes me so horribly sad, knowing how some animals are killed on a routine basis due to overpopulation. People have different emotions attached to this issue. Some people are able to ignore the euthanasia issue entirely. It doesn't affect them -- why should they care? Other people are absolutely sick over it.

I never said I got angry with the promotion of pet adoption. My anger comes from the people who throw it in my face. I probably should have articulated that better in my original post. Which was also meant to be somewhat of a sarcastic post, but that sentiment was missed on a few posters, and I can see how. I never said I felt bombarded by pet adoption commercials, I said that I feel that we are programmed to feel guilty if we do not adopt. That was also a personal opinion.

I've stated many times that I 100% support pet adoption. My viewpoints are not self-centered. Just because I made a decision to buy from a breeder does not mean that pet euthanasia doesn't make me sick to my stomach. I'm a pet lover.

I don't think I'm the self centered poster here.

I do not know the specifics about the people that throw pet adoption in your face, so I will not comment on that other than to suggest that perhaps you should address this issue with the individuals who are "throwing it in your face" directly, instead of ambiguously posting about your anger on a message forum. It may help you to better deal with your anger.

You are now recharacterizing your post as "somewhat of a sarcastic post." Yes, the "sarcasm" was lost on me and still is. You call it sarcasm. I call it backpedaling.

You DID SAY you feel bombarded by commercials promoting pet adoption. You said it, and I quoted you. What?

You said you don't think you are the self-centered poster here. This statement seems to imply that someone else is. If this is meant to imply that I am, well, that is curious. When you make such statements, perhaps try backing them up, by oh I dunno, quoting the person directly. I gather you probably are not referring to me, but again, you left some ambiguity, so I mentioned it.

To summarize. You bought a dog. Own your decision. And as to the rest of it, get over it. If you don't like the way people look at you when you walk your un-neutered dog, well, tough! You made the decision. If you don't like being bombarded by commercials promoting pet adoption, well again, tough. Either change the channel or get over it.

This really isn't about you and your decision to buy a dog. It is not always about you!

 

[Prana]

Date: 7/1/2010 9:52:50 AM
Author: Loves Vintage

Date: 7/1/2010 9:10:23 AM
Author: girlface

Date: 7/1/2010 7:45:30 AM
Author: Loves Vintage
I think the problem with girlface''s original post is not that she got her dog with a breeder, but that she communicated her anger with other people promoting pet adoption. She also ranted that out of 21 items, pet adoption should not be on the list, which is the topic of this thread. Should not be on the list because SHE chose to get her dog from a breeder.

She later went on to clarify that she feels ''so bombarded with pet adoption commercials and advertisements being thrown into [their] faces by the ASPCA and PETA.''

girlface, you seem to have a very self-centered viewpoint on this issue. There are hundreds of thousands of people who donate money to the ASPCA in hopes that the donation will further the cause of pet adoption, yet YOU are somehow offended by this. Ignore the goodwill of hundreds of thousands of people! For sure, their viewpoints do not matter as much as yours. I mean for goodness sakes, you COULD change the channel on your TV to avoid the ''bombardment'' and ''offense'' of such commercials, but why should YOU have to?!?!? I mean, it''s really ridiculous, isn''t it? Don''t they know that you bought your dog? How dare they try to prevent a few more pets from suffering the fates articulated by HVVS and Waterlily? That''s just wrong, because after all, the world does revolve around you. EXCEPT, it doesn''t.

I found your post completely self-centered and perhaps feet-stompingly childish.

And, that, HouseCat, is why no one is calling out cat buyers in this thread. They didn''t come to state their claim that adoption should not be encouraged. Plenty of posters here have bought their dogs and cats and post photos when they do. No one tells them they shouldn''t have, but I really think that is because they don''t gloat about having bought their pet and then rant about adoption advertisements. By the way, the Humane Society of the US estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are euthanized by shelters in the US each year. Taking the high estimate, that is 10,959 pets euthanized per day. And girlface is going to suggest that people should not advocate adoption because it somehow inconveniences her!?! That is just selfish. The HSUS also estimates that between 3 and 4 million cats and dogs are adopted each year.

I don''t think the issue really is whether people should adopt or buy. People are going to do what they want to do. I''ve encouraged many people to adopt and will continue to do so. This is obviously a very sensitive issue. After reading HVVS''s post, my heart just dropped. It makes me so horribly sad, knowing how some animals are killed on a routine basis due to overpopulation. People have different emotions attached to this issue. Some people are able to ignore the euthanasia issue entirely. It doesn''t affect them -- why should they care? Other people are absolutely sick over it.

I never said I got angry with the promotion of pet adoption. My anger comes from the people who throw it in my face. I probably should have articulated that better in my original post. Which was also meant to be somewhat of a sarcastic post, but that sentiment was missed on a few posters, and I can see how. I never said I felt bombarded by pet adoption commercials, I said that I feel that we are programmed to feel guilty if we do not adopt. That was also a personal opinion.

I''ve stated many times that I 100% support pet adoption. My viewpoints are not self-centered. Just because I made a decision to buy from a breeder does not mean that pet euthanasia doesn''t make me sick to my stomach. I''m a pet lover.

I don''t think I''m the self centered poster here.

I do not know the specifics about the people that throw pet adoption in your face, so I will not comment on that other than to suggest that perhaps you should address this issue with the individuals who are ''throwing it in your face'' directly, instead of ambiguously posting about your anger on a message forum. It may help you to better deal with your anger.

You are now recharacterizing your post as ''somewhat of a sarcastic post.'' Yes, the ''sarcasm'' was lost on me and still is. You call it sarcasm. I call it backpedaling.

You DID SAY you feel bombarded by commercials promoting pet adoption. You said it, and I quoted you. What?

You said you don''t think you are the self-centered poster here. This statement seems to imply that someone else is. If this is meant to imply that I am, well, that is curious. When you make such statements, perhaps try backing them up, by oh I dunno, quoting the person directly. I gather you probably are not referring to me, but again, you left some ambiguity, so I mentioned it.

To summarize. You bought a dog. Own your decision. And as to the rest of it, get over it. If you don''t like the way people look at you when you walk your un-neutered dog, well, tough! You made the decision. If you don''t like being bombarded by commercials promoting pet adoption, well again, tough. Either change the channel or get over it.

This really isn''t about you and your decision to buy a dog. It is not always about you!

The point of my original post was not entirely focused on my choice of pet, rather that I did not agree with pets being placed on a list of things to buy used. I guess the point I was trying to make, but obviously didn''t was that I have a problem with pets being viewed as such trivial items as used DVD''s and clothing.

The sarcastic (maybe sarcastic is the wrong word here) point of my post was when I typed in all caps stating about my choice. I guess a lot got lost in translation and misconstrued, I was trying to make a point that pets should not be a trivial purchase, and that educating yourself prior to purchasing a pet is a better option than just going out there and buying, no matter where you buy from. I was trying (albeit poorly) to make a point that pet adoption is not for everyone, and this list is just another shining example of how the issue is pushed. So the caplocked portion and the little doofus face after the caplocked portion was where I was being tongue in cheek, so to speak.

I did find your post self centered, because you only chose to read between the lines of my original post, and used your own feelings about the issue to totally misconstrue my words.

 

[Loves Vintage]

girlface - Fair enough. I am not going to keep arguing about this. I wish you and your doggie all the best. I saw his picture in the other thread, and he is absolutely gorgeous.

 

[Prana]

Thanks LV.

I never intended to create arguments, but I can totally see how it happened, and offer my apologies to everyone that I am not a well-spoken person, and apparently even worse with typing what I''m trying to say.

 

[April20]

Date: 6/30/2010 2:55:05 PM
Author: dragonfly411
I''m trying to grasp why Ikea is so popular if it just falls apart. Can anyone offer some insight?

It''s popular because it''s CHEAP!!

I think Ikea is great for accessories, curtains, pillows, etc. Not great for furniture. I bought a couple of pieces when I was younger in my carreer because it was what I could afford. No more, no more. Too much hassle for the life span.

I have friends that have bought two kitchens worth of their cabinets and have been really happy. Haven''t done it myself, but it''s an interesting option and certainly cost effective.