anyone else watch Legend of the Seeker?

[noelwr]

you''ve probably noticed that all my posts on this forum are related to tv... what can I say? I love to watch tv.

so by any miracle, is there anyone else out there who watches LEGEND OF THE SEEKER? it''s kind of got the same feel to it that Xena had back in the day, but different story. anyway, just wanted to chat about it.

I thought it started out really slow and would actually fall asleep through the first episodes. but then it got interesting when Zeddicus the wizard got involved in more spells. Kahlan and Richard developed a forbidden love, kind of like in the TWILIGHT series, except he''d become her love slave if they were ever to pursue it... I mean would that really be bad???

and then the introduction of the Mord-Sith which are like these dominatrix women that use pain and magic to make people do their bidding.

regarding Season 2, I think Richard isn''t looking so great anymore. ruggedly handsome doesn''t work for him. but really cool that they''ve got a Mord-Sith side-kick (DH keeps saying that the actress must be really uncomfortable in her leather cat suit). the story is a bit weak this time around with the whole Underworld creeping into the real world, but at least the characters are more developed and familiar.

sometimes I wonder what the point is of a Seeker, when Zeddicus the wizard seems to be able to do everything on his own. I guess you have to let prophecy fulfill itself.

 

[whitby_2773]

hi noelwr

my husband watches it and really loves it! he has a PS account (ruff_hi - he's posted about 3 times!) - i'll see if i can get him to log on so you guys can chat

 

[princesss]

Having read the books, I just can''t watch the show for very long! It''s great fluff, though, so I watch it sometimes...

 

[ruff_hi]

Whit pointed me to this post ... did you say lets talk about TV ... no problem with me

I never saw this show on TV until lately (Season 2). However, Netflix does have Season 1 available to watch instantly. Nothing to do on a Sunday afternoon? ... 44 minutes to kill? ... apart from looking at Diamonds and chatting (you know you do), what better way is there than to watch a show filmed in New Zealand with local and Aussie actors?

I found the show pretty good but, judging on other comments that I have seen, I haven''t read the book and I wasn''t disappointed (they say it isn''t much like the book). The range of characters and ideas that they used and introduced was quite good. I particularly liked the painter that could transport people to a different world by just painting their picture on a canvas.

Season 1 - as you know - is all about Richard (the one and only seeker) and his quest to kill the bad guy. [SPOILER ALERT!!] When that happened in the last episode, I didn''t know what they would do in Season 2 ... the few shows of Season 2 that I have seen (on TV no less this time) have been pretty good ... dealing with the disintegration of the established power (a dead leader will do that) and how the social situation is reacting to this. On little quibb is that now it seems that Richard is not only the Seeker, a great fighter, but he is a wizard too ... next he will turn out to be able to heal people ... and fly!

 

[noelwr]

ruff_hi - I''m glad I''m not the only out there watching this show. my husband watches it as well (though I think it''s mainly for the Mord-Siths and their tight leather suits). did you see that Kahlan is now also wearing a different costume? hello two big slits up the front of your coat and "f-me" boots! but really... how do women ruff it up walking day through the country and engage in serious fighting when there boobs are almost falling out of their costume? I mean THAT''s skill.

Richard being a wizard isn''t too far-fetched considering Zed is his granddaddy, but yah, what will they think up next? do you think they''ll name a new seeker and leave Richard to his wizardry for a few episodes? it''d be awesome if they name Cara the new seeker... but it probably has to be a male. I do think they are getting off the track of the underworld theory. too bad they killed off Dena (or whatever the chick''s name is who wizardnapped Zed).

so what other tv shows do you watch? your puppy is so cute, btw. I can understand why both you and your wife have him/her in your avatars.

 

[perry]

I watch it when I can; but it is not the story in the books.

What I believe is that the series was developed loosely around the characters in the book; but deliberately deviates on both characters and plot line so that they don''t have to license the TV series to Terry Goodkind or his publisher (depending on who owns what rights.

As such, there is obviously no real comparison to the books (and I believe that the TV show is dull by comparison).


Perry

 

[Karl_K]

Date: 1/17/2010 3:15:11 PM
Author: noelwr
did you see that Kahlan is now also wearing a different costume? hello two big slits up the front of your coat and ''f-me'' boots! but really... how do women ruff it up walking day through the country and engage in serious fighting when there boobs are almost falling out of their costume? I mean THAT''s skill.

Duct tape!

I have seen season 1 had no clue there was a season 2.
Will have to look it up online and see if it is available again this year.

 

[ruff_hi]

Date: 1/17/2010 3:15:11 PM
Author: noelwr
ruff_hi - I''m glad I''m not the only out there watching this show. my husband watches it as well (though I think it''s mainly for the Mord-Siths and their tight leather suits). did you see that Kahlan is now also wearing a different costume? hello two big slits up the front of your coat and ''f-me'' boots! but really... how do women ruff it up walking day through the country and engage in serious fighting when there boobs are almost falling out of their costume? I mean THAT''s skill.

Actually - I think that they have to film the fight scenes an number of time for this very reason. I imagine that there is a black market for some of the out takes.

I missed some of season 2 - did they overcome the ''you will become my slave'' love angle between Kahlan and Richard? They did a big pash at the end of the last Ep that they were not doing in Season 1. Re the last Ep, My bet is that these Ladies of the Shadows (is that right?) - the people that are taking Richard away to train him to be a wizard are tricking him - I don''t think that Zeddicus made any comment about these people training wizards did he? They are trying to subvert him to their way and the other guys will have to go rescue him.

I have no idea where the blondie Mord-Sith comes into it - guess I missed too many Eps. I''ll check netflix or Hulu and see if I can catch up.

Date: 1/17/2010 3:15:11 PM
Author: noelwr
so what other tv shows do you watch?

The usual stuff

- Heroes, V, Battlestar G, Stargate, StarTrek. Currently watching firefly on Hulu - actually don''t watch much live TV (Whit will spill her coffee when she sees that comment) ... watch them via streaming or dvds. Also watch some thrilling reality stuff - biggest loser is pretty hard to walk away from.

Just checked hulu ...

... TLoTS Season 2, Ep2 expires in 6 hrs - have to go

 

[noelwr]

the love slave issue kind of continues in the background. I guess you missed the one where they found another Confessor locked up in a tower. well, she confessed Richard (along with another guy... smart girl

), and she told him to go do the horizontal tango with Kahlan (charity), so they got started but then Kahlan had to ask why he was doing it (just keep your mouth shut, honey!) and he said it was because he loves his mistress and she commanded him to do it. so Kahlan couldn''t go through with it. maybe you''ve seen that one by now.

Ladies of the Shadows = Sisters of the Light.

god, it''s scary that I remember that. I don''t think they are tricking him. if they were lying, Kahlan would have clearly picked that up, wouldn''t she?

the blondie Mord-Sith (if you mean Dena and not Cara) is from Season 1. she was the one who had him locked up and tried to train him, but of course his love for Kahlan (again) gave him the strength to turn against her. he killed her, but I think one of her lesbian friends, oops I mean Mord-Sith sisters, brought her back with her bad breath life magic. and I think 2 episodes ago she was running a brothel, captured Richard, had his body posessed by another soul and was going to sleep with him (we though finally Richard is going to get lucky), but of course Kahlan had to go and stop that as well.

we are currently watching V, but I don''t think it''s as exciting as the 80s version, though the effects are better and it''s funny they''re using Supergirl (Smallville) to play an alien again. truly enjoyed Battlestar Galactica, too bad it''s over. not feeling Caprica so much. also been viewing Stargate Universe but can''t say it''s the best thing ever. can''t wait for Lost to start again. we live in Holland so we also download and stream through the PS3.

 

[dragonfly411]

The books that these were SUPPOSED to be based off of are my favorite series EVER. And the show DESTROYED the story line.... so I can''t watch. I''m sure it''s fun for some, but I was disappointed

 

[noelwr]

df411 - I never read the books. could you explain the true story line?

 

[princesss]

Date: 1/20/2010 4:55:20 AM
Author: noelwr
df411 - I never read the books. could you explain the true story line?

Lol - noel, there''s something like 11 books. How much time have you got?

-another Goodkind fan

 

[noelwr]

way too much time... if I can post in detail about a tv show, I definitely got time to hear the synopsis of 11 books...

 

[princesss]

You know, I just tried to type out a synopsis of even the first book, and it''s been so long I can''t remember where one stops and the next starts.

I''ll have to leave this up to dragonfly.

 

[dragonfly411]

noel - there are 11 books
The series begins with Richard's father having been killed

, and him meeting Kahlan

. Kahlan is from another world and is searching for a long lost wizard who is to name "the seeker" so that the seeker may return to her world with her and defeat the evil Darkhen Rahl. Darkhen Rahl meanwhile is hunting for a book that contains the secrets to opening a gate to the underworld that would allow him to gain uncontrolled power. The book was last in Richard's Father's posession, or so they think. Kahlan and Richard find one another as Kahlan is being chased by a quad (who has ALREADY killed her sister... they don't kill her now). Richard and Kahlan defeat said quad and he determines to help her in any way he can. He takes Kahlan to his grandfather who is the long lost wizard and she demands he name a seeker (technically). He names Richard, much to his AND her dismay. Meanwhile Richard's brother is secretly working in coalition with Rahl. Richard, Kahlan and zedd, joined by Richard's friend Chase then venture forth to find a way back into the other world, which means they have to cross a barrier that is basically a part of the underworld that Zedd raised to keep magic out of the world he and Richard were living in. So Richard, Kahlan and Zedd set out with Richard's friend Chase (who is sort of a protector along the barrier to keep evil things at bay) to find the path through the barrier, and the witch woman who guards the path. Along the way Zedd and Chase are injured, and Kahlan and Richard have to get the to the witch woman, at which time they leave their friends to go through the barrier. Basically the entire first book is their journey through the Midlands to get to Dahara which is the home of Darkhen Rahl and to defeat Darkhen Rahl.
The Second book takes Richard on a new adventure as he is taken by the Sisters of the Light to their home in the Old world which is a whole separate world from Dahara and the Midlands and Westland (Richard's home). Kahlan spends most of the second book seeking out Zedd so that she might help her to go get Richard back. The Sisters of the Light are a sort of harem of witch women who are "teaching" wizards, but they are also using them as breeding stock to create more wizards as well as using them as pawns to manipulate prophecy. Richard is set against them the entire time he is there, and while he is there he discovers that the castle is being corrupted by Sisters of the Dark, who serve the Keeper of the Underworld (Satan). He also finds a friend in a lonely baby Gar in this book. At the end of this book he destroys the castle where the Sisters of the Light live, and it leaves off with him working to defeat the sisters of the dark.
Third book is basically him against the Sisters of the Dark, but he also discovers that the sisters of the dark are being invaded within their minds by a dream walker

which is a man like creature that can slip between your thoughts, invade them, invade your mind, and torture you. This dream walker is raising an army to try to take over the world... he's sort of a scarier Hitler. He tortures people, and every land he captures is enslaved to him. He says he works for the common good of all, when he's really just a crazy tyrant. Meanwhile Zedd and Kahlan have caught up, and the Prelate (The head sister of the light) and the one prophet left in the world are working with them all to stop the Sisters of the Dark and "The Blood of the Fold"

The rest of the series is pretty much them trying their damndest to defeat the blood of the fold. They have to deal with corruption in the administration and the different kingdoms within the Midlands as they start to be influenced by the Blood of the Fold, and the dream walker. They have to deal with "chimes" being let loose into the world, which are creatures that are part of the underworld and they seep the magic out of the world, and if magic dies they all die. Darkhen Rahl's spirit comes back and tries to corrupt them and tries to kill Richard. Kahlan get's kidnapped and the memory of her gets erased so that it is almost as if she doesn't exist. Richard discovers that he has half siblings but that they are "holes in the world" or real humans, with no spark of magic in them. They cannot be detected nor harmed by magic.


Seriously
Go read the books

Now look what you did.... I'm starting the series over again tonight whilst I read two other books.

I've read the series like 5 times not including reading them as they came out.
They are phenomenal
Best series ever

Go... scoot... you can get gift sets.... or buy them individually in paper back.

 

[princesss]

They are really good - but they start to get really preachy towards the end (IMO, of course). Doesn''t mean I don''t still own every book (and duplicates of some).

Seriously, noel and ruff, get thee to a library!

 

[noelwr]

thanks for that dragonfly! wow, the written series really does sound interesting. in the tv series, in the last episode Richard has gone with the Sisters of the Light... so maybe ruff_hi is right that there will be a twist if, like the books, they will try to use him to breed more wizards and that their castle is being corrupted by Sisters of the Dark.

are there any Mord-Siths with their magic dildos

in the books or is that completely a tv creation? maybe they''re supposed to represent the Sisters of the Dark, though they serve Lord Rahl and not the Keeper. the Dream Walker sounds really scary! in the tv series, they find Richard''s sister who cannot be touched by magic which is why she is able to help them. Darken Rahl makes her lose her memory and tries to get her to lead him to a magic book she has hidden so that he can take over the world.

what''s a baby Gar?

 

[dragonfly411]

Noel - there are mordsith - in the first book one captures richard and tortures him in Darkhen Rahl''s castle, it has to do with the magic book he''s looking for

. See the tv series shows the Sisters of the Light LONG before they are around in the books, and that weird barrier thing they took the boy through in the one episode is nothing like the cross over to the old world. They seriously butchered the story line.

I started Wizard''s first Rule last night

 

[noelwr]

dragonfly - what other good series do you recommend reading?

 

[ruff_hi]

Date: 1/17/2010 9:30:03 PM
Author: ruff_hi
My bet is that these Ladies of the Shadows (is that right?) - the people that are taking Richard away to train him to be a wizard are tricking him - I don''t think that Zeddicus made any comment about these people training wizards did he? They are trying to subvert him to their way and the other guys will have to go rescue him.

Date: 1/20/2010 10:10:04 AM
Author: dragonfly411
The Sisters of the Light are a sort of harem of witch women who are ''teaching'' wizards, but they are also using them as breeding stock to create more wizards as well as using them as pawns to manipulate prophecy.

See! I win! I can totally predict most TV shows before they even start

Date: 1/18/2010 6:43:49 AM
Author: noelwr
the blondie Mord-Sith (if you mean Dena and not Cara) is from Season 1.

No, I meant the blonde with the short hair (guess her name is Cara), not the blonde with the long plats from Season 1 (Dena). Was she somehow involved in the last Ep from Season 1? Seems she has joined Richard''s troop and is acting as a Kahlan foil.

 

[whitby_2773]

Date: 1/21/2010 10:37:21 PM
Author: ruff_hi

Date: 1/17/2010 9:30:03 PM

Author: ruff_hi

My bet is that these Ladies of the Shadows (is that right?) - the people that are taking Richard away to train him to be a wizard are tricking him - I don''t think that Zeddicus made any comment about these people training wizards did he? They are trying to subvert him to their way and the other guys will have to go rescue him.

Date: 1/20/2010 10:10:04 AM

Author: dragonfly411

The Sisters of the Light are a sort of harem of witch women who are ''teaching'' wizards, but they are also using them as breeding stock to create more wizards as well as using them as pawns to manipulate prophecy.

See! I win! I can totally predict most TV shows before they even start

Date: 1/18/2010 6:43:49 AM

Author: noelwr

the blondie Mord-Sith (if you mean Dena and not Cara) is from Season 1.

No, I meant the blonde with the short hair (guess her name is Cara), not the blonde with the long plats from Season 1 (Dena). Was she somehow involved in the last Ep from Season 1? Seems she has joined Richard''s troop and is acting as a Kahlan foil.

*threadjack*

oooh look! it''s ruff_hi - my favorite poster on all of PS!

 

[noelwr]

Date: 1/21/2010 10:37:21 PM
Author: ruff_hi

No, I meant the blonde with the short hair (guess her name is Cara), not the blonde with the long plats from Season 1 (Dena). Was she somehow involved in the last Ep from Season 1? Seems she has joined Richard''s troop and is acting as a Kahlan foil.

I can''t remember if Cara came in end of Season 1 or beg of Season 2, but she was running her own Mord-Sith clan (with strong lesbian innuendos, I kid you not), and helped Richard defeat Darken Rahl. she was somehow stuck with Richard in the future. anyway, as her allegiance is to Lord Rahl and Richard is the new Lord Rahl, she follows him around, sans braid and with her leather outfit open to air out her cleavage.

looks like you have a fan...

 

[dragonfly411]

noel - the mord sith are supposed to be very independent, very .... close to each other as women.... very strong willed... and very lethal. They have been trained to show little emotion other than ruthless brutality. They are Rahl''s personal guards, and torture committee of sorts. They torture answers out, or they simply capture people and train them as their "pets" ... so they could come off as lesbian. There are actually two later in the series that Richer is close friends with who ARE lesbian, in love with one another.

I''ll be honest. I haven''t been able to read many other fantasy or sci fi related books after having read these. Marion Zimmer Bradley is quite good. Mercedes Lackey''s companion series is good. Of course Tolkein.

 

[whitby_2773]

Date: 1/22/2010 11:12:37 AM
Author: noelwr

Date: 1/21/2010 10:37:21 PM

Author: ruff_hi


No, I meant the blonde with the short hair (guess her name is Cara), not the blonde with the long plats from Season 1 (Dena). Was she somehow involved in the last Ep from Season 1? Seems she has joined Richard's troop and is acting as a Kahlan foil.

I can't remember if Cara came in end of Season 1 or beg of Season 2, but she was running her own Mord-Sith clan (with strong lesbian innuendos, I kid you not), and helped Richard defeat Darken Rahl. she was somehow stuck with Richard in the future. anyway, as her allegiance is to Lord Rahl and Richard is the new Lord Rahl, she follows him around, sans braid and with her leather outfit open to air out her cleavage.


looks like you have a fan...

noelwr -

ruff_hi is my husband of 25 years

so yes. a BIG fan

 

[ruff_hi]

Date: 1/22/2010 11:12:37 AM
Author: noelwr
I can''t remember if Cara came in end of Season 1 or beg of Season 2, but she was running her own Mord-Sith clan (with strong lesbian innuendos, I kid you not), and helped Richard defeat Darken Rahl. she was somehow stuck with Richard in the future. anyway, as her allegiance is to Lord Rahl and Richard is the new Lord Rahl, she follows him around, sans braid and with her leather outfit open to air out her cleavage.

Ahh - that explains it - thx.

Date: 1/22/2010 11:12:37 AM
Author: noelwr
looks like you have a fan...

... yes - I do and always have had whit as a fan. We are still discussing if I am a bigger fan of her or if she is a bigger fan of me. I don''t know how that discussion will end. But I do know what the winner of that discussion gets ... kisses from the loser

Date: 1/22/2010 12:21:10 PM
Author: whitby_2773
ruff_hi is my husband of 25 years so yes. a BIG fan

Almost 25.5

 

[noelwr]

dragonfly - in the tv show, it is made clear that the Mord-Siths are "friends with benefits" to each other.

ruff_hi and whitby - yes, I know you're married. but I didn't know for 25.5 years! and still such big fans of one another? that's really sweet.

 

[MakingTheGrade]

I loved the books so much I just can''t bring myself to watch the TV series since I know for a FACT that they can''t possibly have stayed true to the content of the novels (it would have been rated XXX in that case, lol).

If you like those books/show, I would also recommend Kushiel''s Trilogy.

 

[dragonfly411]

Date: 1/23/2010 9:21:52 AM
Author: noelwr
dragonfly - in the tv show, it is made clear that the Mord-Siths are ''friends with benefits'' to each other.

ruff_hi and whitby - yes, I know you''re married. but I didn''t know for 25.5 years! and still such big fans of one another? that''s really sweet.

Ahahahahaha - def not so in the books!

Also in the books, Cara is not around until Book.... two or three? I believe?


I am of the same mind that I cannot watch the series... because they are in NO way true to the books. I''m telling you, you should read the books. They are amazing.

 

[noelwr]

Date: 1/23/2010 10:49:35 AM
Author: MakingTheGrade
I loved the books so much I just can''t bring myself to watch the TV series since I know for a FACT that they can''t possibly have stayed true to the content of the novels (it would have been rated XXX in that case, lol).

so does that mean Richard actually gets lucky in the books or does he really save himself for Kahlan? I feel bad for him.

 

[noelwr]

well, I watched the latest episode, and they introduced Sisters of the Dark within the Palace of Prophets (which is what they call the castle where the Sisters of the Light live and train the wizards). one of them tried to help Richard escape, but that was because she wanted him to go fulfill the prophecy that he would find the Stone of Tears and give it to the Keeper as well as take all his "Han" so that she could kill all the Sisters of the Light. anyway, she took his han but the Sisters of the Light were able to capture her and keep her magic contained. then a new prophecy appeared that as long as the Mother Confessor''s heart beats, the Keeper will not rule the world. Zed met up with his girlfriend Shota and he''s named a new seeker: Leo, who is much better looking than Richard. Cara is into Leo so maybe she''ll also get some lovin''. anyway, the compass is leading them back to Richard, who has escaped the palace.

so my theory is that the new seeker, Leo, will find the Stone and give it to the Keeper, and that Richard will have to defeat the Keeper.