Any thoughts on this 1.76ct stone....

[MiniMouse]

You guys are absolutely fab. I don''t know how I could consider a diamond purchase without you. I''m seriously starting to check out availability of stones in the 1.75ct mark as we''re looking to buy in the next couple of weeks (it''s frightening), but feeling glum because there''s little around to consider. I''m checking around with Pricescope vendors to see who can find the perfect stone and I''m waiting for a Solasfera stone to come through. In the meantime another PS vendor has come up with the following.

I''d really value your opinions. I''ve yet to get all the gen about it, but have some info to hand. Although I don''t know the exact price of it right now, it apparently fits in our budget of $15,000.

1.76ct
F
SI1 (apparently eye clean)
Table: 58%
Depth: 59.5%
Crown Angle: 33.5
Pavillion Angle: 40.4
Girdle Thickness: 1.9% (Sl Thick)

It scores 0.9 on the HCA, but I''m a little uncomfortable about the angles, depth and table being slightly out of the norm. Am I right to feel slightly concerned? It gains a VERY GOOD in light return, I had hoped for Exellent as light return is critical. I am also adamant that I have to have the very best cut possible (after all, I am a Pricescoper).

Still awaiting symmetry and polish info, details of the inclusions and whether any flourescence.

Do you guys think this stone is worth considering or should I keep looking?

Sincere thanks.

 

[Rhino]

Date: 6/25/2005 3:54:53 AM
Author:MiniMouse
You guys are absolutely fab. I don''t know how I could consider a diamond purchase without you. I''m seriously starting to check out availability of stones in the 1.75ct mark as we''re looking to buy in the next couple of weeks (it''s frightening), but feeling glum because there''s little around to consider. I''m checking around with Pricescope vendors to see who can find the perfect stone and I''m waiting for a Solasfera stone to come through. In the meantime another PS vendor has come up with the following.

I''d really value your opinions. I''ve yet to get all the gen about it, but have some info to hand. Although I don''t know the exact price of it right now, it apparently fits in our budget of $15,000.

1.76ct
F
SI1 (apparently eye clean)
Table: 58%
Depth: 59.5%
Crown Angle: 33.5
Pavillion Angle: 40.4
Girdle Thickness: 1.9% (Sl Thick)

It scores 0.9 on the HCA, but I''m a little uncomfortable about the angles, depth and table being slightly out of the norm. Am I right to feel slightly concerned? It gains a VERY GOOD in light return, I had hoped for Exellent as light return is critical. I am also adamant that I have to have the very best cut possible (after all, I am a Pricescoper).

Still awaiting symmetry and polish info, details of the inclusions and whether any flourescence.

Do you guys think this stone is worth considering or should I keep looking?

Sincere thanks.

Keep looking. These are not a great set of angles.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

It will have a good spread and unless you examine it from very close up, it should look exceptionally bright.
It will also be less effected by being dirty then what the regular pricescoper buys.

We still need to see an ideal-scope image to know the minor facets and symmetry are OK

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Rhino I disagree, but then you already knew thaat

Aond with these proportions gathers loads of light from very high angles and as you wear it you will findit is amazingly brilliant

Here is a model of its ASET 30 image

 

[Giangi]

If you have to have the best cut, keep looking. If you want a very nice looking, bright diamond this stone may be the right one. I guess it all depends on your priorities.

 

[Dancing Fire]

this stone is too shallow/shallow for me.

 

[Jennifer5973]

Depth is a bit shallow, which will give it a slightly different look, as the experts have thoroughly noted. Have you seen the stone? You buy the stone not the paper...but over the internet, the numbers are the first line of defense. If you can view the stone, i''d take a look, if for nothing else so you can SEE the difference between this and one with more textbook-perfect proportions and decide what you like best for your stone.

Good luck.

 

[dib]

i am no expert, but i agree with jennifer - you should buy the ring with your eyes and don''t get so hung up on the numbers. Have you seen the stone yet? If you have seen it and love it, maybe it''s the stone for you - expecially since you say this size is hard to come by. Definitely don''t settle though.

I just bought a stone and although i have learned so much from this forum, i actually decided not to run any additional tests on the stone like a sarin or brillancescope because i didn''t want to know if the numbers didn''t fall into the perfect range. I fell in love with the stone and knew i would have probably passed on it if the numbers weren''t what they should have been. I can get hung up on stuff like that. However, for all i know the numbers would have been amazing, but i know when i get the ring on my finger i will be really happy.

 

[MiniMouse]

Wow, you''re all quick off the mark and so helpful, thanks a million, I''m really impressed. It''s true that the 1.75ct to 1.99ct size is hard to come by and I''m finding that it''s virtually impossible to find any in the D-F color range, hence having to look at the near colorless range. Although I started looking about 3 months ago to get a feel for what was around (and to educate myself), we weren''t in a position to buy at the time, which was a shame because the prices were definitely cheaper.

I haven''t seen this particular stone in person as I''m currently in Saudi Arabia, but I''ll be flying to Seattle on Wednesday evening (your Wednesday morning) and that''s when I''ll need to decide on which couple of diamonds to ship to an appraiser in Seattle so we can take a serious look at them and decide which one to buy. I''m a true believer in buying what looks visually appealing to the eye, but in my situation, we only have a few days in Seattle before we travel off to Wyoming, Idaho, Mexico and Texas, before returning to Seattle for 4 days and then returning to Saudi Arabia

after five weeks in the real world porking out on pork and beer. We know we''ve got our work cut out to find the right diamond and get it set. However, in true Pricescope fashion, I have every confidence in this forum being able to help me out. The PS vendors I have enquiried with so far have been nothing but FABULOUS and I have no qualms about working with any one of them.

Because we''re limited in time and unfortunately cannot visit New York or Houston we need to choose a diamond that is more likely to offer the best overall package that we are likely to love, hence any stone with an element of doubt (such as slightly irregular angles etc) in our minds has to be rejected, even though it might be appealing if we saw it. We just don''t have the time to take a risk and ship in a diamond that we might like, but might not. We are trying to focus on diamonds that we consider are ''fail safe'' and we''re sure we will love.

If we don''t buy during this trip then we have to wait another year and then we would be in exactly the same boat, only having 5 weeks in the US next summer, with the same time restriction, which is not an ideal situation. With my boyfriend dangling the prospect of a diamond in front of me, I can assure you I don''t want to wait a year for it!

I think I''ll pass on this stone, not because I don''t think it''s beautiful, but merely because it''s a ''we might like it, we might not'' kind of stone. Unfortunately that''s not good enough for the timeframe we have.

I really appreciate your comments guys, I''ll see if I can find another stone that gets a unanimous seal of approval by you experts.

 

[Mara]

You already have gotten alot of great advice, but I wanted to say that I think passing on the stone given your circumstances is the smartest thing to do in this situation. Having had a more white brilliant stone, it's really a visual preference...more so I think than your typical 'ideal' or H&A type stone which more people seem to gravitate towards sight-unseen. This particular stone looks very promising, but again I would definitely want to see this one in person before buying. I liked my old BIC stone but it definitely was lacking in some situations that my current TIC stone is not. So if you are worried re: not loving it and timing sounds very crucial, I would keep looking until you find something that fits within your paramters...stones in that size ARE slim pickins' but are not extinct!

 

[Rhino]

Date: 6/25/2005 4:21:13 AM
Author: Garry H (Cut Nut)
Rhino I disagree, but then you already knew thaat

Aond with these proportions gathers loads of light from very high angles and as you wear it you will findit is amazingly brilliant

Here is a model of its ASET 30 image

haha... I did mate. Let me go on record as saying this though ... if I had to choose between a shallow/shallow combo and a steep deep combo I''d go shallow/shallow any day. However ... If I had the option of a shallow/shallow next to a more cherry set (present AGS ideal and future GIA Grade1) I''d turn down the shallow/shallow in a heartbeat.

FYI... my opinion also stands in agreement with both GIA and AGS regarding this set of proportions and will not receive an "ideal" or "Grade 1" classification. This stone is at best an AGS grade 2.

We just had in our store a 40.5 pavilion angle, 34.8 crown with a 56 table. It was reported on the lab report with 34.8/40.7/56. Only a .2 degree difference between our Sarin and the AGS report. Optical testing proved our Sarin had the more accurate measurement and Isee2 confirmed a lack of brightness (due to shallow/shallow). I didn''t tell any of my assistants, just passed 2 stones before their eyes ... one a 9.0 and this other turned out a 7.7. Everyone of them could see the difference, hence we returned the stone. It was a perfect H&A, EXCELLENT red reflector, EXCELLENT BrillianceScope results too. It''s lack of optics in suffuse conditions caused us to turn it down.

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

Rhino try setting one of each in a a ring side by side and look at them in many situations as they get a bit of normal dirt.

I am sticking to my guns.

 

[elmo]

Guys, couldn't price be a relevant factor here? Jon, the one you were looking at was being promoted as AGS0 by the supplier, and I expect they were asking an AGS0 price. However, since the one MiniMouse describes likely wasn't being offered as ideal, I wonder if a stone like that could be priced 15-20% less? A good looking non-ideal in a desirable color/size especially one that faces up large for the weight, and at a nice discount may not appeal to the average PS shopper but has a certain appeal of its own. This is purely speculation since we don't know what asking is and how it looks, but it's a plausible scenario isn't it?