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Iceman

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Young Americans will die in battle. -->Would you prefer they die in skyscrapers?

The United States is taking unilateral action against Iraq! -->So far, it''s a 90-member worldwide
"unilateral" coalition.

We are in a rush to war. -->A 12-year rush?

Tough inspections can disarm Saddam Hussein without invading Iraq. -->12 years of inspections
have done wonders so far.

We should let the inspectors finish their job. --> We did. They didn''t. We will.

Why fight? The Iraqi military is weaker than in 1991. --> But their biological weapons and chemical
weapons are much more dangerous.

There''s no proof of weapons. --> We know they have ''em, we know they hide ''em, and we have tape
recordings and photographs. What more is needed? An Iraqi rocket in Martin Sheen''s front yard?

If we invade, Saddam Hussein might use those weapons of mass destruction against us. --> I
thought you said Iraq didn''t have them?

But terrorists might attack if we invade Iraq. -->Oh, so if we don''t attack Iraq, terrorists will never
strike again?

We shouldn''t go to war without a UN resolution. --> ANOTHER resolution? What about the last 18
resolutions? Shall we use them as wallpaper? Or shall we use the same resolutions Bill Clinton used in
Bosnia? (he didn''t go to the UN on Bosnia)

We don''t have a real declaration for war. -->It''s called "Joint Congressional Resolution #114."

If North Korea has nuclear weapons, why aren''t we invading them first? --> Uh...hello...isn''t that
the point?

European leaders are against the war. --> The Reichstag wasn''t attacked. The Grande Place wasn''t
attacked. The Kremlin wasn''t attacked. And the Jerry Lewis Lifetime Achievement Museum wasn''t attacked.
America was attacked. And besides, except for the tantrums of France, Belgium and Germany, only three
European nations aren''t willing to defend freedom. The entire rest of Europe is with America. even turkey
now wants to help. russia''s against anything, they live in hell in russia, why do they care anyhow?

The French don''t support the war. --> Oh, did they surrender already?

Germany objects to this war. --> Germany objected to Reagan''s "attitude" towards the Soviet Union. Of
course, they objected to our presence in 1943 as well.

Belgians are against the war. --> I can live without waffles and ice cream.

Russia doesn''t support the war. --> They are still angry over Reagan''s brilliant Cold War victory.

Polls show Europeans are against this war. --> Polls show Europeans believe their freedom was
achieved by endlessly debating in marvelous dining halls, conveniently forgetting their right to be
pompous blowhards was granted with American blood, not fabulous wine and brie.

We should build a coalition with our friends. --> With friends like these, who needs enemies?

What happens if we can''t build a United Nations coalition? --> Who cares?

But the UN is the world''s most respected governing body. --> Not as respected as the US military.

America has always waited until enemies attacked. -->Now that oceans can''t hold back enemies,
pre-emptive war is forever a necessity.

War will cost billions! --> So how much is YOUR city worth?

President Bush says he''s willing to violate the 1976 executive order forbidding
assassinations of foreign leaders. --> As soon as the ink is dry on rescinding that idiotic order, will
someone please pull the trigger? The line forms to the right.

Many Senators don''t support Bush. --> Are you speaking of the Senators from Bordeaux?

Bush senior should have taken out Hussein in ''91. --> That 1991 UN resolution forbade a march on
Baghdad. Remember?

Thousands of innocents will be killed or injured. --> That''s a lot less than Hussein is killing right
now.

Protesters have genuine objections to war. --> Just like they did in WWII? Korea? Vietnam? Panama?
The Gulf War? Somalia? Haiti? Bosnia? Afghanistan?

People are coming from all over the world to act as "human shields". --> Quick...hurry up...get
over there now.

This is about American Imperialism. --> So which country do we own? Name our colonies? What nation
sends us their tax dollars? If America was imperialist, we''d already own the entire world. Who could stand
in our way?

This is Blood for Oil. --> The only blood is the Iraqi people tortured, starved and killed while Hussein
builds massive palaces to hide nuclear weapons...all financed with Iraqi oil. America produces 40% of its
oil needs and gets the remaining 60% from three sources: Mexico, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia. Don''t you
think Saddam Hussein would LOVE to sell his oil to the USA?

This is a racist war. --> America happily endorses a multi-cultural attitude towards anyone who dares to
take away our freedom. Regardless of race, color, or creed; we will hunt them down and kill them.

A U.S.-led invasion of Iraq is a great recruiting tool for terrorists. --> Have fun recruiting people
into oppressive misery as they enjoy their first taste of freedom.

An attack on Iraq could seriously undermine and destabilize Arab nations. --> Destabilize the
region? What stability? The sooner we topple these oppressive 14th century terrorist regimes the better.

Are we prepared for a multi-billion dollar occupation? --> Were we prepared to liberate Europe and
Japan in 1945? South Korea in 1953? Grenada? El Salvador? Kuwait? The Eastern Bloc? Afghanistan?
Nations always love Americans when we rescue them from tyranny. The price of freedom is never free.

Polls show Americans are more concerned about the threat from al Qaeda than from Iraq. -->
It''s not a war against Al Qaeda. It''s not a war against Iraq. It''s a war against terrorism. Anywhere we find it.
One nation at a time.

American opinion is against the war. --> No, it''s not. A majority of Americans (66%) want to fight now,
not later.

According to a recent poll. --> You know what? Screw those polls. We''re in a war against terrorism. If
you don''t want to fight the ones who would murder you and your family in a heartbeat, get the hell out of
the way. Go visit Paris. Or Antwerp. Or Berlin. Or Moscow. And stay there. Forever. But this time, don''t call
us when the heathens are at your gates.
 

Heyjud

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Great "answers" Iceman! You verbalized what many of us feel! Many are worth repeating. Thanks!
 

Iceman

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We had a bomb scare here today. The I74 bridge that spans the Mississippi river (75,000 cars a day go over) .

Somebody
called in and said a guy drove up in a tanker truck under the bridge and jumped out and ran! The bomb squad was called in
and the bridge was all jammed up for a while.

They found out the truck driver parked the truck there and ran over to the Porno shop that's right under the bridge!!
False alarm , the guy was embarrassed!
 

andrea

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OK, ICE

Who are you, and where do you live.
I'm assuming you saw that on channel 4, 6, or 8.
I saw the same thing.
I live in Durant, Iowa.
Anywhere close
 

Iceman

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Im in Moline IL Just on the other side of the river. Your almost a stones throw
away. I got the info from one of the police officers that heads up my scuba classes. I
called him to figure out my last class and he filled me in
Small world


Im one of the downtown bldgs. and have over half the floor. You wouldn't here much
about me, we are appointment only and referral only, no advertising


Yep 4 ,6, or 8 are the channels (those are local) we do have cable the town is not that small
 

Iceman

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I guess I don't have anything posted on my business?

Midwest Gems Corporation

I just looked at my shipping log for this month and we have sent jewelry out as far
as Sweden that way and Hawaii twice the other way and almost everything
in-between. About 5 to 10 internet customers a year, but mostly referral.
 

Iceman

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You might know me from diamondtalk ~ that was some 8600 posts ago, before they kicked off most of the experts and took my 8600 posts and Goodoldgolds 3500 posts and Richards 100 posts off the site


This is my new home inbetween customers. I dont promote so you can get a straight answer out of me
Not to say thats different if you do ?????? You know what I mean
 

andrea

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Actually, I never got into DT. Just this forum.
That's wild though.
I wonder how many people on this forum live closer to someone that they are actually aware of

Awhile back you said you were sending one of your kids to IA STATE to the vet med. school, so I kinda figured you lived relatively close in IL.
I was dropping off the stuff I had for the channel 6 "Treasures for Troops" when I started the "protestors" thread.
And yah, I suppose most have cable around here, but we choose not to since we have alot of other things that require our attention. (instead of the tube
)
Later
 

Iceman

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Its good to have you as a neighbor.
I had all of the family's vacations pics up on
dt and they took them down

This is by far the best website for consumer information
 

Richard Sherwood

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This was just sent to me from an old friend in the great state of Texas:

The primary differences between points of view in the liberal and conservative "Debate" over the war on terrorism might be exemplified by the following:

Question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock .40 cal. and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

Liberal Answer:
Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion.

Conservative Answer:
BANG!

Alternatively, there is the "Texas Answer":
BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of clip being ejected and fresh clip installed). A little girl speaks: "Nice grouping, Daddy!"
 

emnightingale

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The primary differences between points of view in the liberal and conservative "Debate" over the war on terrorism might be exemplified by the following:

Question:
You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock .40 cal. and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do?

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Actually I think the primary differences between points of view in the liberal and conservative "debate" over the war on terrorism might be BEST exemplified by what could REALLY happen in the situation:


Liberal Answer:
Considering he is only seconds away (which is an extraordinarily unlikely scenario), you shoot the person. Then you try to figure out the underlying causes and social conditions that led to the person's behavior and remedy them, so you can minimize the chances of it happening in the future.

Conservative Answer:
Shoot the person. Then look for other people who look like they could possibly be dangerous or hiding a knife, and shoot them too.

Em
 

AGBF

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On 3/30/2003 4
2
7 PM Richard Sherwood wrote:

"Hah hah hah!!!
Great comeback Em!"

A great comeback, Em and very good sportsmanship, Richard
!
 

DiehardSearcher

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1. Does anyone want to live in an Iraq ruled by Saddam?
2. Does anyone want to live in an America where Saddam has the capabilities to reach us with chemical weapons?
3. Does anyone not think Saddam is striving towards that goal?

Honestly, I am tired of the liberal arguments. I usually consider myself a conservative with an open mind, but when it comes to this issue I have closed it. This is not new territory for the US, regardless of opinions. We have unilaterally entered battles without UN approval. We have unilaterally removed dangerous leaders. The world is a safer place because of our actions.

When I hear the arguments I remember this:
There is already proof Saddam has chemical weapons, he proved it on Iraqi Kurds. It has yet to be proven that they were all destroyed after 1995. He used them on his own dissidents, he would badly like to use them on you, even though you protest our invasion.
 

DiehardSearcher

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Then look for other people who look like they could possibly be dangerous or hiding a knife, and shoot them too.
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You are right, the duck who is walking like a duck and talking like a duck, probably isn't a duck. We should let this non-duck continue to cut the tongues off of dissidents letting them bleed to death, kill 5000 Kurds with chemical weapons, incite mid-east anger towards the United States, and fund terrorist activities. He isn't a duck after all, and the US has no moral responsibility to use its power for the benefit of anyone other than US citizens.
 

mike04456

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Honestly, I am tired of the liberal arguments
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Me, I'm tired of the "Shut up and stop confusing me with ambiguities because I want to view this in strictly black-and-white terms" approach.

We all have our crosses to bear.
 

fire&ice

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I'm tired of "blame the U.S. for every bad thing in the world mentality." Heck, we are not perfect. But, we have done plenty of good things. Why do these very people that hate us want to come here & go to our schools, etc.? We are always the pretty girl that one has to find faults with. I'm not an ostrich that sticks my head in the sand. But, why are we under such scrutiny. *sigh* Geez.

I can assure you after my last visit to the U.K. - *we* were not the sterotypical "ugly American." In fact, two other nationalities took the cake.
 

fire&ice

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Oh, and while I'm on my tirad.... Why are those that think we are an evil empire so willing to take our money? Ref: a certain Mexican on DT.
 
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