anonymity of cutters

[Cehrabehra]

I know the diamond industry is filled with esoteric niches... but one of the ones I''m finding myself a bit bummed about is not knowing who the cutter is on a stone... I think most of us would agree that technology is a part of it, but artistry is a part of it as well... and when you choose just that right stone, especially if it is an unusual cut, and you select a jeweler to design a metal cage to showcase it in... you give tons of credit to the artisan who created the ring, but almost always you have no idea who the artisan was on your stone... that bums me out! I hadn''t really thought of it before the last few days, but I collect paintings and art (small collection) and I know who the artists are and some about them... at least for most of my pieces - and all of my favorites... the im/perfections in craft and the background stories mean so much to an art collector and I realize that my ring really will be a piece of art as well... it''s a shame that more of the cutters don''t stand up and take their accolades! Knowing the history of my stone would mean so much to me, even if it wasn''t cut a hundred years ago...

 

[Bluehammer]

I think that if the cutter was known, it would be cool if you could get a picture of the rough and the cutter working on it. In a conversation with Brian Gavin from WF, he mentioned all diamonds glow orange when cut. Lots o'' heat.

Of course to go through all the work of documenting the cutter and process the diamond cost would go up quite a bit.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/26/2006 7:59:23 PM
Author: Bluehammer
I think that if the cutter was known, it would be cool if you could get a picture of the rough and the cutter working on it. In a conversation with Brian Gavin from WF, he mentioned all diamonds glow orange when cut. Lots o'' heat.

Of course to go through all the work of documenting the cutter and process the diamond cost would go up quite a bit.

hehe... that''s cool! I mean, sure they''re already overpriced in many ways, but if they were documented pieces of art, their intrinsic value would improve IMO. not to mention it might encourage people to step a little out of the box!

 

[kenny]

I would love to know not only who cut it and where but which country and mine it came from and when.

I suspect one reason for the mystery is security.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/26/2006 8:49:41 PM
Author: kenny
I would love to know not only who cut it and where but which country and mine it came from and when.

I suspect one reason for the mystery is security.

eh, security can be made... I mean it could be part of it but I think the largest part is tradition... but in many ways the internet is shaking up that tradition... I think part of it is just the pure bulk of it all and that most don''t really care where their stone came from or who did it... I imagine there is somewhat of an artisan niche out there *somewhere*... I heard of some women here talking about some cutter and whether or not he allowed his stones to be set in other settings but I can''t remember who it was... I think it began with an M?

 

[strmrdr]

Id be willing to bet that Bill Bray would be happy to do this for ya, and that Paul may be able to arrange it also thru one of the infinity dealers if its something you want to do.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/26/2006 10:52:50 PM
Author: strmrdr
Id be willing to bet that Bill Bray would be happy to do this for ya, and that Paul may be able to arrange it also thru one of the infinity dealers if its something you want to do.

Who are these fellas?

It''s something I''d LIKE to do but the *few* out there who are making names for themselves are probably out of my budget... lol

 

[JulieN]

Bill Bray-"He Scores," www.brayscore.com
Paul Sledgers, Infinity Diamonds, www.infinitydiamonds.be

 

[kcoursolle]

I agree that it would be nice to know who cut your diamond and where it came from. It would be interesting to know the "story" of your diamond. The Bill Bray website was a fascinating read...but I wonder about it with imperfections of sarin machines and exceptions if he can actually feel that strongly about his "score." I would think it would be more like the HCA where it can rule out duds, and suggest that a stone is wonderful, but not help you decided exactly which diamond to buy.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/27/2006 12:52:33 AM
Author: kcoursolle
I agree that it would be nice to know who cut your diamond and where it came from. It would be interesting to know the ''story'' of your diamond. The Bill Bray website was a fascinating read...but I wonder about it with imperfections of sarin machines and exceptions if he can actually feel that strongly about his ''score.'' I would think it would be more like the HCA where it can rule out duds, and suggest that a stone is wonderful, but not help you decided exactly which diamond to buy.

Is it possible for the HCA to rule out a high performer that was just outside of normal range?

 

[:)]

Ellen just got some KILLER diamonds - her ring came with a really cool birth certificate - look four posts down (if the pics of the diamonds don''t totally stop you in your tracks on the way down!) for the details on the certificate. I thought it was a really neat personal type of touch...

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-upgrades.49892/

 

[kcoursolle]

Cehrabehra, in my opinion if a round score a 3 or above on the HCA I probably wouldn''t buy it. However, 2.1-2.5 is definitely a grey area that I would still consider. So, it doesn''t completely rule out duds...and of course there are probably some diamonds that fall within 0-2 that look terrible, but it''s a pretty good tool to weed out some losers.

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/27/2006 1:30:47 AM
Author:
Ellen just got some KILLER diamonds - her ring came with a really cool birth certificate - look four posts down (if the pics of the diamonds don''t totally stop you in your tracks on the way down!) for the details on the certificate. I thought it was a really neat personal type of touch...

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-upgrades.49892/

wow! no, I missed that!!! I''ll have to go over that in the AM with some fresh eyes! That stone is gorgeous from what I can see and how fun is that that it has its birthplace... too bad it doesn''t have a cutter, but baby steps

 

[kcoursolle]

Date: 8/27/2006 1:30:47 AM
Author:
Ellen just got some KILLER diamonds - her ring came with a really cool birth certificate - look four posts down (if the pics of the diamonds don''t totally stop you in your tracks on the way down!) for the details on the certificate. I thought it was a really neat personal type of touch...

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/finally-my-upgrades.49892/

Very cool! I didn''t notice that before, thanks

 

[He Scores]

Date: 8/27/2006 12:52:33 AM
Author: kcoursolle
I agree that it would be nice to know who cut your diamond and where it came from. It would be interesting to know the ''story'' of your diamond. The Bill Bray website was a fascinating read...but I wonder about it with imperfections of sarin machines and exceptions if he can actually feel that strongly about his ''score.'' I would think it would be more like the HCA where it can rule out duds, and suggest that a stone is wonderful, but not help you decided exactly which diamond to buy.

Hi there. This is a long post so I apologize to begin with, just page down if your not interested and to those I''m sorry.

kcoursoll, I''m glad that you found my sight facinating. I have a unique position in the industry. I was formally taught diamond cutting at a nationally accredited school for three years, I''m a college graduate, and my 30 years in the industry has had me cutting and selling for every phase that there is, from manufacturing rough to selling privates. Some of the star players in today''s premium stone market went to the same school. Some of my collegues have or do work for Hearts on Fire and Eightstar.

I have addressed the "imperfections of the Sarin machine" before on this forum. Frankly, I feel my diamond analysis has been thoroughly tested and has shown that the Sarin machine measures accurately enough for the day to day business of selling diamonds, both in and outside of the trade.

Several things that I have tested.

One: over an 18 mo. period with three stones being measured and scored the scores had a discrepancy of 1%, 1% and 6% respectively on the same machine without the machine operator knowing it. This attends to the repeatablility of the Sarin machine. If you average these like some of the cutting grades do, the average repeatability of the sarin machine is around 2.6%.

Two: that among approximately 50 diamondtaires and jewelers that were shown three stones in a controlled study, roughly only half of them could correctly identify which of two stones that had a 6% difference in BrayScores was the better cut. In this test roughly 90% of them used a loupe first to ascertain how well the diamond was cut,, and not a neked eye, face up appearance like in the GIA studies. This attends to the fact that many people in the trade do not look for patterning, or solely on the face up view. They orbit the stone with their eyes, looking at it from all different angles including upside down.

Three: When I adjusted the raw Sarin data to reflect the maximum error of measurement (as published by sarin) on of the measurements needed to perform the BrayScore analysis I believe the discrepancy in scores was around 4% (but don''t hold me to that figure as I''m not at my office now).

Finally, one of the PS sellers here supplied data on two "Eightstar" cut diamonds that he felt with all his anaylsis tools at his disposal were "as close to identical as he had ever seen". My BrayScore analysis showed a 3% difference in scores between the two stones.

BrayScore analysis takes only the measurements that are a direct outcome of a cutter''s work. When a cutter is making a facet on the diamond it has to be checked many many times befores it''s considered right. How does he know when it''s done? The answer is that there are several "elements" to making each facet. Angle, straightness and depth in the girdle are the main ones that he looks for whether knowingly or not. These three elements are measurable and are based on the Tolkowsky model regarding main angles. By measuring each facet and not averaging like the GIA or AGS system BrayScores have a built in "accuracy" that can detect differences even in stones that are similarly cut.

The point is that my system is like the technical analysis of the stock market VS the psychological analysis. Many "performing" stones could have serious drawbacks in the make. The patterning is done by rectifying any mistakes on one portion of the stone by making an adjustment on a different portion of the stone. Similarly you could have high scoring BrayScores that do not have the H&A or Eightstar patterning. Not all performing stones are cut well and not all stones cut well perform well. However, you can have a 925 black diamond, but you can''t have a black Eightstar or H&A. Also, with my system, there is a possibility that one stone could be determined to be cut better than all the others....sort of the Superbowl winner. No other system provides this capability. For you pricescope diamond affectionado''s and collectors....how neat would that be to say that you have the 2006, Best Cut Diamond of the Year?

It''s interesting that the accuracy of the measuring machines is so adamantly thrown about. Indeed it has been the #1 criticism of my system, the old "garbage in, garbage out" cliche. However, the viewing aparatus for the performance sellers has no accuracy. Is the table of the diamond being viewed exactlly perpedicular to the viewer? If it isn''t, the "angles" of the diamond are automatically changed and possibly corrected. Gary Halloway came to me with his theory that this perpendicular axis could correct poorer cut stones, but he failed to realize that in order to do this in the jewelry setting, the diamond would have to be set crooked in the mounting, not very pleasing or realistic is it?

As far as the name of the cutter is concerned, as a cutter I would be both thrilled and skeptical of having my name on a stone. Skeptical from the security standpoint as someone pointed out. Some people are ok with it, like the late Billy Goldberg who owned the "Premier" diamond. Others like the late Harry Winston weren''t and aschewed (sp) publicity. It''s a double edged sword for us in the business to be known. For some of you creative types, perhaps you could come up with a way for the cutter''s name to be attached to the stone and not compromise his name or location. We also had this discussion before on PS.

My main business isn''t here on pricescope, but I''ll check back and try to answer any questions on this thread, it just may not be as quick, or as technical as some of my regular friends on here. Thanks for looking at my websight. For those people interested in having their stones analyized under the BrayScore system, bug the PS vendors on here to provide them!!

Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/27/2006 10:10:50 AM
Author: He Scores

Hi there. This is a long post so I apologize to begin with, just page down if your not interested and to those I''m sorry.


My main business isn''t here on pricescope, but I''ll check back and try to answer any questions on this thread, it just may not be as quick, or as technical as some of my regular friends on here. Thanks for looking at my websight. For those people interested in having their stones analyized under the BrayScore system, bug the PS vendors on here to provide them!!

Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

No apologies... I am interested (after crepes lol) but wanted to say that if you want the brayscore system out there, you need to promote it more than just this once! You should post more on a variety of topics, as a confessed cutter you have a unique perspective that could be very useful! I''ll respond more later, tummy is rumbly!

 

[idealseeker]

I too was thinking about how cool it''d be if cutters were known. Just slightly off topic, but from what I''ve read, the people mining the rough, though doing backbreaking work, see the least of the profits. How much of the final products'' profits do the cutters see? Just from one of the threads that I read about B. Gavin overseeing the cutters at the factory where ACA''s are produced, I imagine a sweat shop type atmosphere where the cutters make pennies on the dollar, working long hours, and the person up top makes well, you know, the rest. I doubt this is the case, especially since I would imagine becoming a cutter would take years of apprenticing, but could someone confirm this for me? Thanks!

 

[Lynn B]

Interesting thread, and a subject I have often thought about, too.

Sometimes when I look at my diamond, which was so obviously cut for beauty, I think of the cutter and the pride he must have felt. I wish he could know how much I love it, and how much I appreciate his work and his skill.

 

[Ellen]

Date: 8/27/2006 1:31:18 PM
Author: Lynn B
Interesting thread, and a subject I have often thought about, too.

Sometimes when I look at my diamond, which was so obviously cut for beauty, I think of the cutter and the pride he must have felt. I wish he could know how much I love it, and how much I appreciate his work and his skill.

Lynn, I said the exact same thing about mine, and even told Isee2 to pass it on if at all possible.

 

[Mara]

kinda silly, but part of why i like working with WF is i like to know that they are in charge of the rough that eventually turns into diamonds that they sell. i like knowing that the ACA's we have and the ES's i have owned (that were cut to be ACA's that just missed the mark) were all cut in their belgium facility, and that brian takes trips over there about once every other month if not more often to check out the latest goods, and oversee what is going to be what. i like knowing that my diamond came fresh from belgium from a 'known' kind of factory, even if brian isn't cutting it himself. it's that kind of known quantity.

i would love to own something like an eightstar or an infinity for that same reason...that controlled cutting environment kind of thing, where you know 'some' information about where it came from but not cutter specific etc. it's just kind of fun to be able to have a diamond that has that little bit of history attached to it rather than buying from a vendor who just gets wholesale stones from someone else who sells for someone else, etc etc. though if i ever had to do it that way, i would, it's not as though i am JUST doing it this way...but so far i have only bought rounds. but if i ever go cushion or asscher or something, it'd be fun to work outside of the box.

about knowing the cutter, it'd be kind of cool if they inscribed the girdle with just initials or something...so you could at least compare with someone else going oh LK cut your stone? mine too! or a symbol or something.

 

[Ellen]

smiley face, meant to add, you are too kind.

 

[He Scores]

Being a diamond cutter is like being a bridge painter.

You can''t step back to admire your work.

You''re right...we work very hard to make a nice stone and walla, it get''s sent away to a customer rarely to be seen again. It''s nice to see people here who appreciate craftsmanship...few can relate to what we do. If you only knew how many times I''ve slaved to re-cut a stone only to have the jeweler say..."gee, it doesn''t even look like the same stone."

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.



Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

 

[kcoursolle]

Date: 8/27/2006 10:10:50 AM
Author: He Scores

Date: 8/27/2006 12:52:33 AM
Author: kcoursolle
I agree that it would be nice to know who cut your diamond and where it came from. It would be interesting to know the ''story'' of your diamond. The Bill Bray website was a fascinating read...but I wonder about it with imperfections of sarin machines and exceptions if he can actually feel that strongly about his ''score.'' I would think it would be more like the HCA where it can rule out duds, and suggest that a stone is wonderful, but not help you decided exactly which diamond to buy.

Hi there. This is a long post so I apologize to begin with, just page down if your not interested and to those I''m sorry.
No worries, I''m here to learn. We all welcome expert opinions. I am far from being an expert, but every day I learn more and more on this site.

kcoursoll, I''m glad that you found my sight facinating. I have a unique position in the industry. I was formally taught diamond cutting at a nationally accredited school for three years, I''m a college graduate, and my 30 years in the industry has had me cutting and selling for every phase that there is, from manufacturing rough to selling privates. Some of the star players in today''s premium stone market went to the same school. Some of my collegues have or do work for Hearts on Fire and Eightstar.

I have addressed the ''imperfections of the Sarin machine'' before on this forum. Frankly, I feel my diamond analysis has been thoroughly tested and has shown that the Sarin machine measures accurately enough for the day to day business of selling diamonds, both in and outside of the trade.
I would believe that as well, if you have two stones a great performer and an averager performer it would be easy to select one. But, is the mechanical equipment accurate enough to say that a stone that scored 2% better than the other is in fact a better performer? I would say that something more conservative such as "results suggest that..." rather than an affirmative yes.

Several things that I have tested.

One: over an 18 mo. period with three stones being measured and scored the scores had a discrepancy of 1%, 1% and 6% respectively on the same machine without the machine operator knowing it. This attends to the repeatablility of the Sarin machine. If you average these like some of the cutting grades do, the average repeatability of the sarin machine is around 2.6%.
Well, these differences aren''t major, but they are something. They would lead to me to suggest putting confidence intervals around the final score that include a +/_ 3%.

Two: that among approximately 50 diamondtaires and jewelers that were shown three stones in a controlled study, roughly only half of them could correctly identify which of two stones that had a 6% difference in BrayScores was the better cut. In this test roughly 90% of them used a loupe first to ascertain how well the diamond was cut,, and not a neked eye, face up appearance like in the GIA studies. This attends to the fact that many people in the trade do not look for patterning, or solely on the face up view. They orbit the stone with their eyes, looking at it from all different angles including upside down.
This is something I wonder all the time...Does all of the hairsplitting about cut actually lead to a visual difference, or just a mental "mind clean" sort of thing. Obviously I would want a stone with an excellent cut by various standards, but I''m not sure I could tell the difference between two stones that are ever so slightly cut differently.

Three: When I adjusted the raw Sarin data to reflect the maximum error of measurement (as published by sarin) on of the measurements needed to perform the BrayScore analysis I believe the discrepancy in scores was around 4% (but don''t hold me to that figure as I''m not at my office now).

Finally, one of the PS sellers here supplied data on two ''Eightstar'' cut diamonds that he felt with all his anaylsis tools at his disposal were ''as close to identical as he had ever seen''. My BrayScore analysis showed a 3% difference in scores between the two stones.

BrayScore analysis takes only the measurements that are a direct outcome of a cutter''s work. When a cutter is making a facet on the diamond it has to be checked many many times befores it''s considered right. How does he know when it''s done? The answer is that there are several ''elements'' to making each facet. Angle, straightness and depth in the girdle are the main ones that he looks for whether knowingly or not. These three elements are measurable and are based on the Tolkowsky model regarding main angles. By measuring each facet and not averaging like the GIA or AGS system BrayScores have a built in ''accuracy'' that can detect differences even in stones that are similarly cut.

The point is that my system is like the technical analysis of the stock market VS the psychological analysis. Many ''performing'' stones could have serious drawbacks in the make. The patterning is done by rectifying any mistakes on one portion of the stone by making an adjustment on a different portion of the stone. Similarly you could have high scoring BrayScores that do not have the H&A or Eightstar patterning. Not all performing stones are cut well and not all stones cut well perform well. However, you can have a 925 black diamond, but you can''t have a black Eightstar or H&A. Also, with my system, there is a possibility that one stone could be determined to be cut better than all the others....sort of the Superbowl winner. No other system provides this capability. For you pricescope diamond affectionado''s and collectors....how neat would that be to say that you have the 2006, Best Cut Diamond of the Year?
We have a lot of well-performing stone owners at this site. I''m not sure that one could say with 100% accuracy that of two well-performing similarly cut diamonds that one was for sure the best of the two. Not to mention, there are personal preferences for certain stone types that may not be considered well-performing.

It''s interesting that the accuracy of the measuring machines is so adamantly thrown about. Indeed it has been the #1 criticism of my system, the old ''garbage in, garbage out'' cliche. However, the viewing aparatus for the performance sellers has no accuracy. Is the table of the diamond being viewed exactlly perpedicular to the viewer? If it isn''t, the ''angles'' of the diamond are automatically changed and possibly corrected. Gary Halloway came to me with his theory that this perpendicular axis could correct poorer cut stones, but he failed to realize that in order to do this in the jewelry setting, the diamond would have to be set crooked in the mounting, not very pleasing or realistic is it?
I definitely don''t think this is a garbage in/out process, but I do believe that accuracy should be taken into account with something like confidence intervals. However, I feel strongly that machines can help drastically aid the eye and help evaluate a stone. They should not be discounted, but they should not be thoguht of as perfect either.

As far as the name of the cutter is concerned, as a cutter I would be both thrilled and skeptical of having my name on a stone. Skeptical from the security standpoint as someone pointed out. Some people are ok with it, like the late Billy Goldberg who owned the ''Premier'' diamond. Others like the late Harry Winston weren''t and aschewed (sp) publicity. It''s a double edged sword for us in the business to be known. For some of you creative types, perhaps you could come up with a way for the cutter''s name to be attached to the stone and not compromise his name or location. We also had this discussion before on PS.

My main business isn''t here on pricescope, but I''ll check back and try to answer any questions on this thread, it just may not be as quick, or as technical as some of my regular friends on here. Thanks for looking at my websight. For those people interested in having their stones analyized under the BrayScore system, bug the PS vendors on here to provide them!!

Again, it would be nice to have more expert opinions on this site, and also good to get the word out about your site more. Thanks for your response, I really appreciate the extra knowledge and forgive me because I really am not an expert.

Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/27/2006 3:59:24 PM
Author: He Scores



Being a diamond cutter is like being a bridge painter.

You can''t step back to admire your work.

You''re right...we work very hard to make a nice stone and walla, it get''s sent away to a customer rarely to be seen again. It''s nice to see people here who appreciate craftsmanship...few can relate to what we do. If you only knew how many times I''ve slaved to re-cut a stone only to have the jeweler say...''gee, it doesn''t even look like the same stone.''

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.



Bill Bray
Diamond Cutter

I talked to someone today who explained some of the typical aspects of cutting which is that MANY people work on one stone... from the people who work with the rough and cad design to the first cutter to the girdle lather or cutter (I forget what it was called) to the guy who does the 8 mains to people who specialize in different cuts here and there all the way to the "brillianteer" I think that''s what he called it... anyway, if you have 16 people working on your modern stone it is less an individual piece of art and more a team project.

I guess I''m a bit of a romantic... I remember the old shock absorber commercials or whatever from years ago where the diamond cutter was in the back seat cutting a diamond lol In my head you have this master who carves a diamond the way of David from marble LOL I guess that''s not realistic or at least not USUALLY realistic...

I love this topic though... very interesting!

 

[widget]

Cehra....speaking of anonymity...did you ever figure out who "diagem" is, and how to reach him?

I never understood why he couldn''t include a link in his signature, other pros do, unless some of the stones he posted were for sale at the time he posted them...

Curious...

widget

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/27/2006 5:08:24 PM
Author: widget
Cehra....speaking of anonymity...did you ever figure out who ''diagem'' is, and how to reach him?

I never understood why he couldn''t include a link in his signature, other pros do, unless some of the stones he posted were for sale at the time he posted them...

Curious...

widget

Well... I think diagem is a good example of someone who obviously wants to remain anonymous! lol

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/27/2006 5:08:24 PM
Author: widget
Cehra....speaking of anonymity...did you ever figure out who ''diagem'' is, and how to reach him?

I never understood why he couldn''t include a link in his signature, other pros do, unless some of the stones he posted were for sale at the time he posted them...

Curious...

widget

Widget,

I am not trying to be annonymous, I am involved in this forum to share my personal knowledge and give my own personal opinion in Diamonds.
I am trying to avoid becoming commercial, as I dont usualy do business transactions with the direct consumer.

My diamond designs need the jewelery designer to complete one another and vice-a-versa.
I am willing to share some of my work with this forum simply because it comes from somewhere different.
I am not your ordinary diamond cutter, 99% of the diamonds i cut are "different" shapes and faceting structures from the common diamond cuts out there.

I hope i explained myself,

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/28/2006 9:01:58 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/27/2006 5:08:24 PM
Author: widget
Cehra....speaking of anonymity...did you ever figure out who ''diagem'' is, and how to reach him?

I never understood why he couldn''t include a link in his signature, other pros do, unless some of the stones he posted were for sale at the time he posted them...

Curious...

widget

Widget,

I am not trying to be annonymous, I am involved in this forum to share my personal knowledge and give my own personal opinion in Diamonds.
I am trying to avoid becoming commercial, as I dont usualy do business transactions with the direct consumer.

My diamond designs need the jewelery designer to complete one another and vice-a-versa.
I am willing to share some of my work with this forum simply because it comes from somewhere different.
I am not your ordinary diamond cutter, 99% of the diamonds i cut are ''different'' shapes and faceting structures from the common diamond cuts out there.

I hope i explained myself,

So Diagem, what are your thoughts on artisan diamond cutting? You''re an admitted cutter and you do ''different'' shapes and faceting structures... which really lends itself to artistry... if you cut a gorgeous stone - a work of art - would you wish your name to be attached to that as an artist who signs a painting? or would you be more comfortable sending your diamond off into the world with no one *ever* knowing who cut the gorgeous stone?

BTW I am in love with your stones and wish you would post photos more often!

 

[diagem]

Date: 8/28/2006 12:25:22 PM
Author: Cehrabehra

Date: 8/28/2006 9:01:58 AM
Author: DiaGem

Date: 8/27/2006 5:08:24 PM
Author: widget
Cehra....speaking of anonymity...did you ever figure out who ''diagem'' is, and how to reach him?

I never understood why he couldn''t include a link in his signature, other pros do, unless some of the stones he posted were for sale at the time he posted them...

Curious...

widget

Widget,

I am not trying to be annonymous, I am involved in this forum to share my personal knowledge and give my own personal opinion in Diamonds.
I am trying to avoid becoming commercial, as I dont usualy do business transactions with the direct consumer.

My diamond designs need the jewelery designer to complete one another and vice-a-versa.
I am willing to share some of my work with this forum simply because it comes from somewhere different.
I am not your ordinary diamond cutter, 99% of the diamonds i cut are ''different'' shapes and faceting structures from the common diamond cuts out there.

I hope i explained myself,

So Diagem, what are your thoughts on artisan diamond cutting? You''re an admitted cutter and you do ''different'' shapes and faceting structures... which really lends itself to artistry... if you cut a gorgeous stone - a work of art - would you wish your name to be attached to that as an artist who signs a painting? or would you be more comfortable sending your diamond off into the world with no one *ever* knowing who cut the gorgeous stone?

BTW I am in love with your stones and wish you would post photos more often!

Every Cutter is a "part" artisian, no doubt about it.
I dont think this industry is ready for "Artist Diamond Cutters". Since 99% of cutters cut mainstream diamond cuts.
Some of my favorite masterpieces have no "signatures", experts can identify these through the workmanship of the piece!!

Plus the fact of my knowing some of the people that are wearing jewelry designs which incorperate my Diamonds designs, gives me tremendous satisfaction!!

I will try to post more pictures in the future!!!

 

[Cehrabehra]

Date: 8/28/2006 2:18:38 PM
Author: DiaGem
Every Cutter is a ''part'' artisian, no doubt about it.
I dont think this industry is ready for ''Artist Diamond Cutters''. Since 99% of cutters cut mainstream diamond cuts.
Some of my favorite masterpieces have no ''signatures'', experts can identify these through the workmanship of the piece!!

Plus the fact of my knowing some of the people that are wearing jewelry designs which incorperate my Diamonds designs, gives me tremendous satisfaction!!

I will try to post more pictures in the future!!!

so people can recognize your work just by looking at your stone?? are styles that fine tuned in cutting? I have no idea!

I was going through my old thread (fancy guru) and you linked me to an older thread where someone had asked you about your avatar... and in it you said that you didn''t sell to vendors but sold to jewelers? That seems a very different approach, a very artisan approach... kudos to you!