An asscher that breaks the rules and is still great.

[kimmbe]

Hest88:

Do you have a photo of a true octagonal-shaped emerald that you would be more willing to call an "asscher?" I don''t think I''ve seen any generic asschers that are more octagonal than the one posted . . .

Thanks for any help I might get -- I''m in love with asschers and want to get the best education I can before buying . . .

Thanks,
Kimberley

 

[valeria101]

Date: 5/27/2005 4:33:53 PM
Author: kimmbe

Do you have a photo of a true octagonal-shaped emerald that you would be more willing to call an ''asscher?''

I am not Hest... but this one has "octagonal step cut" on it''s GIA cert.

 

[valeria101]

Traditional (=old & collectable stones) Asschers are supposed to have deep cut corners. I couldn''t say that all old pieces I have ever seen were that way, especially not the rectangular ones, but this makes no difference.

Here''s the shape I have in mind ...

 

[madrock]

Love that color -- is that considered cognac?

 

[valeria101]

Date: 5/27/2005 4:59:49 PM
Author: madrock
Love that color -- is that considered cognac?

No idea... the lab report says "fancy brown".

This was a very large stone sold at auction this year.

 

[imback]

the diamond of the original post is a square emerald cut. there is no reason to refer to it as an asscher, EXCEPT that today every square emerald cut is called an asscher. so, as the term is used these days, the term asscher means nothing more tha square emerald.

it''s funny that the original use of the term asscher had nothing to do with whether the diamond was square or rectangular, but referred only to other style features (high depth, small table, open culet, wide corners, and a more distinct bulge on both the top and bottom angles). but today, the term is used to mean nothing except square instead of rectangular.

today, the term asscher has become an almost emabarrasing example of marketing by misinformation.....and as a result, the term has become virtually meaningless, and promotes the idea that the ability and willingness to bs is more valuable than knowledge. it has resulted in widespread misinformation, eagerly embraced by both the trade and consumers.

the diamond of the original post is a square emerald and has virtually none of the features that made the original asschers asschers. call it an asscher if you like, but that will not make the diamond anything more than what it actually is...a square emerald, no more asscherish than any other square emerald.

 

[windowshopper]

Date: 4/7/2005 3:00:12 PM
Author: Hest88

I dont disagree with you but look around at what is being called an asscher in the trade and this one is closer than most.

No it''s not! It looks nothing like an asscher, Strm.

And if anyone should be technically precise, it should be us. That''s like saying that everyone uses the term ''ideal'' to mean whatever they want, so we should just do the same. Or that everyone calls a square brilliant cut a princess, should we shouldn''t care anymore how true that is.

NOTHING LIKE AN ASSCHER-----------TOTALLY AND OBVIOUSLY A SQUARE EMERALD