Am I getting a good deal with this diamond?

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I am in the process of getting an engament ring. It will be in a kretchmer tension setting. After looking at several diamonds, I chose a south african diamond with specs below for $9500. Is this a fair price for the diamond? I got it from a local jeweler.
The jeweler recommended spending the most percentage of the budget on the diamond''s cut and color before the clarity/carat weight. Any advice/feed back would be greatly appreciated.

regards,

Sean.

shape: round/brilliant
carat weight: 1.16
color: D
clarity: VS2
certificate: GIA
crown angle: 34.5
depth: 43.5
table: 58
girdle: thin to medium
faceted: none
cutlet: none
flourescence: none
polish: good
symmetry: very good

 

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I think you mistyped the depth.

 

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pavillion depth 43.5% does that sound about right?

Sean.

 

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Do you have the total depth and the pavillion angle?

 

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Hi Sean, the proportions required by american gem society to give the cut grade are as follows:
Crown angle - 34.5 =0 (if crown angle is correct, so is crown height, provided table % is not excessive).
Table % 58% =1.
Pavilion depth (if pavilion depth is correct then pavilion angle is also correct, total depth is immaterial) 43.5% = 0.
Girdle thickness thin to medium
faceted =0.
Culet size - none =0.
Fluoresence - none,
polish - good,
Symmetry very good.

Weight - I.16ct. D in color and VS2 in clarity. G.I.A. certified (G.I.A. number is laser inscribed on girdle)

This is the email that the jeweler sent me. Does it make sense?

Sean.

 

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It sounds like a lovely stone, Sean! AGS is a very good certification, and 0-1 is excellent. You can do a search above to check prices of similar stones, but that doesn't sound too bad for a nicely cut D VS2.

ETA: well, looking back I see it's GIA and not AGS, but that is a reliable lab as well. Just from doing a quick search it looks like you could save a $1000 or so buying online.

 

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Its going to look stunning with the tension setting. My gf didn''t want a particularly big stone (she''s more concerned with getting a quality diamond rather than how big it is). Her ring size is about 4.5 so the stone should look bigger than what it really is with the setting.

Sean.

 

[JulieN]

Date: 8/24/2006 7:45:49 PM
Author: bugfix
Hi Sean, the proportions required by american gem society to give the cut grade are as follows:
Crown angle - 34.5 =0 (if crown angle is correct, so is crown height, provided table % is not excessive) if given table%, not if the table is "not excessive"
Table % 58% =1. under the old AGS proportion system.
Pavilion depth (if pavilion depth is correct then pavilion angle is also correct, total depth is immaterial) 43.5% = 0. ok, no. it doesn't really matter for the crown too much, but angles are much more accurate than depths. while playing around, i've gotten as much variance as two tenths of a degree for the same pavilion depth. doesn't sound like a lot, but the difference between 41' (what I'm estimating the angle is from 43.5%) and 41.2' would be a big deal to me. And then you gotta figure that depths are rounded to the nearest half of a whole number, while GIA at least only rounds the pavilion angle up in increments of 0.2', so max difference would be -.1' What he probably means about the total depth being immaterial is that if the crown is good, the girdle is good, and the pavilion is good, then the total depth is good, too. But I don't think the total depth is immaterial. With all this rounding, you can guess based on the total depth whether the rounding rules had little effect on the numbers, or the direction of the rounding.
Girdle thickness thin to medium faceted =0.
Culet size - none =0.
Fluoresence - none,
polish - good,
Symmetry very good.

Weight - I.16ct. D in color and VS2 in clarity. G.I.A. certified (G.I.A. number is laser inscribed on girdle)

This is the email that the jeweler sent me. Does it make sense?

Sean.

If given a condition, the contrapositive is true, not the converse. If given the angle, you can find the height. That does not mean that given the height, you can compute the angle.

Anyway, I personally don't think you're getting a great deal. That is what you asked, right? I always wonder how much of a markup is reasonable for a B&M to charge over Internet prices.
1.15 GIA D VS2 http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00168033 EX cut grade, EX finish, $9759
1.20 GIA D VS2, VG/G for finish http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AA228138&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34

Those were just examples of pricing, not trying to dissuade you from the stone you've already selected. It seems reasonable. Fair? hmmm. Not a deal, though.

 

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Date: 8/25/2006 4:00:22 AM
Author: JulieN

Date: 8/24/2006 7:45:49 PM
Author: bugfix
Hi Sean, the proportions required by american gem society to give the cut grade are as follows:
Crown angle - 34.5 =0 (if crown angle is correct, so is crown height, provided table % is not excessive) if given table%, not if the table is ''not excessive''
Table % 58% =1. under the old AGS proportion system.
Pavilion depth (if pavilion depth is correct then pavilion angle is also correct, total depth is immaterial) 43.5% = 0. ok, no. it doesn''t really matter for the crown too much, but angles are much more accurate than depths. while playing around, i''ve gotten as much variance as two tenths of a degree for the same pavilion depth. doesn''t sound like a lot, but the difference between 41'' (what I''m estimating the angle is from 43.5%) and 41.2'' would be a big deal to me. And then you gotta figure that depths are rounded to the nearest half of a whole number, while GIA at least only rounds the pavilion angle up in increments of 0.2'', so max difference would be -.1'' What he probably means about the total depth being immaterial is that if the crown is good, the girdle is good, and the pavilion is good, then the total depth is good, too. But I don''t think the total depth is immaterial. With all this rounding, you can guess based on the total depth whether the rounding rules had little effect on the numbers, or the direction of the rounding.
Girdle thickness thin to medium faceted =0.
Culet size - none =0.
Fluoresence - none,
polish - good,
Symmetry very good.

Weight - I.16ct. D in color and VS2 in clarity. G.I.A. certified (G.I.A. number is laser inscribed on girdle)

This is the email that the jeweler sent me. Does it make sense?

Sean.

If given a condition, the contrapositive is true, not the converse. If given the angle, you can find the height. That does not mean that given the height, you can compute the angle.

Anyway, I personally don''t think you''re getting a great deal. That is what you asked, right? I always wonder how much of a markup is reasonable for a B&M to charge over Internet prices.
1.15 GIA D VS2 http://www.bluenile.com/diamonds_details.asp?pid=LD00168033 EX cut grade, EX finish, $9759
1.20 GIA D VS2, VG/G for finish http://www.uniondiamond.com/diamonds/diamonds.php?item_id=AA228138&search_type_id=2&action_type_id=2&network_id=0cf05810a0f83094f6e9972ef21cdd34

Those were just examples of pricing, not trying to dissuade you from the stone you''ve already selected. It seems reasonable. Fair? hmmm. Not a deal, though.

As long as the price is fair, and I am not getting taken advantage of interms of price, I am cool. Shes very happy with the diamond so thats what matters at the end eh? Thanks for all your inputs and opinions on this matter.

Regards,

Sean.