All AGS 0 and GIA XXX are not equal??

[takingtheplung]

I have done a lot of research and I believe I have picked out the diamond that is perfect. (linked below)... and I just got off the phone with a very respected dealer that was trying to tell me that all AGS 0''s and GIA XXX are PERFECT and you don''t need look beyond the grading. He is also telling me I can do much better on price than the diamond I am buying. He of course is only basing this on carat weight, coulor and clarity. Not measurements.

PLEEEAAASSSEEEE tell me he is wrong????

The Diamond I have on hold - http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3634

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 10/10/2007 4:44:04 PM
Author:takingtheplung
PLEEEAAASSSEEEE tell me he is wrong????

No need to plead. He is wrong, indeed.

Live long,

 

[horatio]

Why don''t you ask him to offer you several alternatives that he thinks are "better" than your link below, and see what he comes up with. Then have him tell you why they are "perfect". See what informaiton he gives you OTHER than AGS 0 and GIA XXX are perfect.

Can he explain to you WHY they are perfect other than the above? What and how does he analyze his diamonds? If he can not answer such as simple quesitons, YOU know the answer to your own quesiton right?

 

[gontama]

Date: 10/10/2007 4:44:04 PM
Author:takingtheplung
I have done a lot of research and I believe I have picked out the diamond that is perfect. (linked below)... and I just got off the phone with a very respected dealer that was trying to tell me that all AGS 0's and GIA XXX are PERFECT and you don't need look beyond the grading. He is also telling me I can do much better on price than the diamond I am buying. He of course is only basing this on carat weight, coulor and clarity. Not measurements.

PLEEEAAASSSEEEE tell me he is wrong????

The Diamond I have on hold - http://www.goodoldgold.com/diamond/3634

Wrong. AGS0 and GIA EX diamonds, or diamonds cut to earn these grades, are generally beautiful. But they care little or none about internal symmetry which is referred to as h&a. There are also some proportions that earn the best from AGS/GIA but are not particularly liked by some cut quality conscious experts and consumers. This is my experience that 99% of jewelers do not know as much as vendors here about diamonds. This is not to blame them. They are probably just left behind the recent advancement of technologies. Not that they are bad.

Hope you can, but may not be very likely. This is also just my experience that non-branded nice h&a AGS/GIA diamonds are not less expensive than diamonds offered by PS vendors. Branded diamonds you find elsewhere come with much higher premium. They are in general of high quality, to be fair. But you can find comparable or even better diamonds at lower prices. He might have one which is as good as the one you posted. You can compare them with an independent appraiser and make your own decision.

This diamond - The only thing you migt want to be aware of is that it has slightly less spread because of the girdle thickness. The size difference is however invisible to the nakes eye and a little thicker girdle can be a good protection against chipping etc. Based on the proportion on this diamond, you eye can enjoy a pretty bold arrow shaft and nice arrow head. If I remember correctly, this diamond has slightly different personality from other diamonds you have considered. But this diamond has its own beauty. I think you will see difference between this h&a and those non-h&a AGS/GIA diamonds when compared side by side.

If my memory serves, you have been looking for a diamond at 1.25ct or a little larger. There are of course other diamonds that you can consider. One thing you may want to do is to compare this diamond against those with a little longer LGF such as those you have considered (I thought they are G colors). They do appear differently (to me). Both have own merits. Bottom line - I do not think you need to worry about what the jewler said to you.

 

[JohnQuixote]

Date: 10/10/2007 4:44:04 PM
Author:takingtheplung

I just got off the phone with a very respected dealer that was trying to tell me that all AGS 0''s and GIA XXX are PERFECT and you don''t need look beyond the grading.

Not true. GIA EX strays into a zone of configurations that can appear small for their weight, leak light and entrap color. Page 4 & page 5 of this case study show an example. AGS Ideal is more strict, but there are a number of different looks possible depending on overall configuration.

 

[gontama]

Forgot to say that I think you will be happy with this diamond.

 

[fleur-de-lis]

Date: 10/10/2007 4:44:04 PM
Author:takingtheplung
I have done a lot of research and I believe I have picked out the diamond that is perfect. (linked below)... and I just got off the phone with a very respected dealer that was trying to tell me that all AGS 0''s and GIA XXX are PERFECT and you don''t need look beyond the grading.

Well, I can''t tell you if it''s perfect or anything, but that GIA sounds like one dirty, dirty stone....

 

[WinkHPD]

Date: 10/10/2007 5:48:52 PM
Author: fleur-de-lis

Date: 10/10/2007 4:44:04 PM
Author:takingtheplung
I have done a lot of research and I believe I have picked out the diamond that is perfect. (linked below)... and I just got off the phone with a very respected dealer that was trying to tell me that all AGS 0''s and GIA XXX are PERFECT and you don''t need look beyond the grading.

Well, I can''t tell you if it''s perfect or anything, but that GIA sounds like one dirty, dirty stone....

LOL! Took me a minute or three to get my mind in the gutter far enough to understand what you meant...

I have to agree with the others, you have been lied to, whether intentionally or not by the vendor telling you that all AGS 0 and All GIA XXX stones are equal. They should all be beautiful, but by no means equal and by no means indistinguishable by the eyes of the observer, with or without visual aids such as ideal scope etc.

While I think Jonathon should probably spend another hour or two on each stone and give you more graphs and data, from the limited information available on his site, this should be a stunning stone....

Wink

P.S. That last comment is said with humor and laughter in my voice, he has a TON of info there. I often wonder if people realize just how much time it takes to make all of that information available, I am guessing no less than thirty minutes per stone, and probably more, much more...

 

[kcoursolle]

Beautiful diamond!!! He is wrong, grading is not enough to examine whether a stone is well-cut. Some ideal and excellent cut diamonds have leakage or symmetry issues and some don't. Your stone is very beautiful and the cream of the crop in terms of cut. You *might* be able to save a couple of hundred dollars going with another vendor like BN, but in my opinion the information you get from GOG about the stone, GOG's trade up policy and service are well-worth this tiny amount of money.

ETA: you could easily drop in color and clarity a grade or two if you wanted to save money (if this is what really concerns you) and still have a white and clean diamond. However, if you want a *mind clean* stone, this one is a really nice one!

 

[WorkingHardforSmallRewards]

did he give you some options?

Tell him to send you some options with all the cut information (angles depth percentage etc) the date of the report and, well, all of the information on the report along with the price.

Let him know that you have a diamond on hold elsewhere and so your time is limited. If he can produce something fantastic in the time limit the two of you agree on, well thats is a great thing isn''t it!

but if it is a bunch of BS to try to lure you in the store for a little longer, well, he will have a clear time limit so it shouldn''t be a problem. If you need to hold your diamond for an extra day or two for him search, don''t hesitate to call and explain the situation to GOG, I bet they are more than up to the challenge for just a little bit longer. Since he probably isn''t going to match it

in quality, from my experiences.

 

[Ellen]

Sounds like either someone doesn't know what they're talking about, or they're trying to lure you away from that stone. Or even worse, both.

I personally wouldn't do business with someone like this...


p.s. That IS a great diamond.

 

[takingtheplung]

Thank you for talking me off the ledge everyone. This was good advice. I new the answer to my own question but I think that guy really annoyed me.

It’s hard for an average Joe like me to question a guy that’s been in the industry for 30-40 years. And to some degree I think vendors like him have a point. Most likely an AGS O00 or a GIA XXX will be beautiful and will perform well in most conditions. But I have the type of personality that wants the best of the best and won''t settle for anything less. And I most certainly don''t want a vendor selling me a crappy XXX and making extra margins off the stone because it has crappy angles and a lot of light leakage. I''ll pay the extra money for excellence!!