AHHH!! TOO MUCH DIAMOND INFO!

[jaylex]

My boyfriend and I have been looking into engagement rings lately. We are VERY new and inexperienced at this. The first piece of jewelry he bought for me was a promise ring. Some time later came the matching bracelet, then the matching necklace. Now, I love this jewelry, but seeing as an engagement ring is such a big investment, I decided it was time to get educated. After learning a little about the 4 C''s, I came to realize that the diamonds in the jewelery I have are not good at all. They were from the place we were considering purchasing our engagement ring from. NOT ANY MORE!
I started to look into some online stores and seemed to have found the perfect diamond. Here is the info I have:

Carats: 1.00
Cut: Round
Color: F
Clarity:SI1/2
Measurements: 6.31X6.27X3.94

Polish/Symmetry:VG/VG
Est Replacement Value: $8,100.00

(the above was listed on the site & the appraisal summery card)

(the jeweler sent me the following in an email from his cell phone. I can''t make heads or tails of it!)

"1.64 ps
11.77-7.61-3.05 mms 40.1 depth, 66 table pol vg, sym vg, gird th to slthk fac , small culet , none.

its a gorgeous diamond and i think you''ll love it"

I kind of understand the 4 C''s but am clueless about the stuff that he sent me! All I know is that the table size may be a problem b/c of fish-eye.

Can Someone please help me make sense of this information!?
Thank you!
-Alexa

 

[jstarfireb]

Date: 8/8/2008 11:28:07 PM
Author:jaylex
''1.64 ps

11.77-7.61-3.05 mms 40.1 depth, 66 table pol vg, sym vg, gird th to slthk fac , small culet , none.

It sounds like he''s saying:
Measurements: 11.77 x 7.61 x 3.05 (?!?!?)
Depth: 40.1 (?!?!?!)
Table: 66
Polish/Symmetry: VG/VG
Girdle: thin to slightly thick faceted
Culet: small
Fluoro: none

But those measurements seem WAY off. The L/W ratio means it can''t be a round. But a depth of 40 in ANY stone doesn''t sound right. I''m confused...

 

[WinkHPD]

Not sure, but is this a Pear Shape that you are looking at? The first one was a round, but this one is clearly not.

You will need to look at this diamond to see if it makes your eyes happy, we do not have any where near the amount of information needed to make any kind of an informed response to you.

Wink

 

[canuk-gal]

HI:

First, ask him to email you a copy of the lab certification. Second, post the info off the cert. Third, we''ll go from there.....

cheers--Sharon

 

[jaylex]

ok. thanks everyone. I just sent him a lovely email questioning why he sent me specs for two different diamonds. I also did what you recommended and asked for the lab cert. And I went a step further and asked for an ideal-scope photo. We''ll see if he decides to respond.

I''ll be back when I find out more.

 

[honey22]

The second one can''t be a RB - if it is, run for the hills

I think the 1.64 ps probably means a 1.64ct Pear Shape?

Can you get crown and pavillion angles for the first stone?

 

[jaylex]

you guys were right. that was dimensions for a pear shaped diamond. The secretary accidentally sent me the wrong info.
great.
I'll update monday with the info about the ROUND diamond that we are interested in.
Thanks again!

 

[dbsdiamonds]

Hi Jaylex,

Your search is a very simple one. If you are going with a round diamond then take a quick look at what they are presenting, get a copy of the certificate they are saying is on the diamond, post that info up here and everyone will go wild in helping you. Don''t get lost in all the "replacement value" gimmick stuff, and to do an "apple to apple" comparison on accurate grading ask them for a price on a GIA certified diamond.

You''ll find premium/ideal cut GIA F SI2''s with 6.5mm type measurements pricing in the $4k range with the SI2 being "eyeclean" as opposed to having a fat crystal inclusion dead center. An EGl or IGI certed diamond would run $1000 less for F SI2 but of course...buyer beware...the diamond will not grade out F SI2 by GIA standards.

From there the more questions you post here the more answers you''ll get! But this stuff isn''t rocket science...

Marty
CEO/Pres
DBS Diamonds
www.diamondsatcost.com

 

[sonnyjane]

That seems a little expensive to me for a stone that size. Maybe consider going down a notch or two in color so you can go up to a higher clarity? The previous posters are right, if you're looking for a RB your search should be easy

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/9/2008 1:38:07 PM
Author: sonnyjane
That seems a little expensive to me for a stone that size. Maybe consider going down a notch or two in color so you can go up to a higher clarity? The previous posters are right, if you''re looking for a RB your search should be easy

I think the price is for the estimated replacement value on the appraisal sonnyjane, not the actual price of the diamond - unless I am mistaken and reading the post wrong ( not unknown!

). It is not uncommon to see higher values on these appraisals.

 

[Paul-Antwerp]

Date: 8/8/2008 11:28:07 PM
Author:jaylex

My boyfriend and I have been looking into engagement rings lately. We are VERY new and inexperienced at this. The first piece of jewelry he bought for me was a promise ring. Some time later came the matching bracelet, then the matching necklace. Now, I love this jewelry, but seeing as an engagement ring is such a big investment, I decided it was time to get educated. After learning a little about the 4 C''s, I came to realize that the diamonds in the jewelery I have are not good at all. They were from the place we were considering purchasing our engagement ring from. NOT ANY MORE!
I started to look into some online stores and seemed to have found the perfect diamond. Here is the info I have:

Carats: 1.00
Cut: Round
Color: F
Clarity:SI1/2
Measurements: 6.31X6.27X3.94

Polish/Symmetry:VG/VG
Est Replacement Value: $8,100.00

(the above was listed on the site & the appraisal summery card)

-Alexa

Hi Alexa,

The above was listed on the website? Frankly, this sounds horrible.

Clarity is either SI1 or SI2. Listing SI1/2 indicates that the diamond has no lab report. This raises a lot of questions on the validity of colour, clarity, polish and symmetry.

The measurements are way too low for a 1Ct-stone. Either we are talking about a very bad cut-quality with a lot of weight hiding in the girdle, or with the exact weight-indication of 1.00, this is an estimate of the weight of a diamond already set in a ring. The measurements are indicating a weight between 0.90 and 0.95.

Live long,

 

[sonnyjane]

Date: 8/9/2008 2:20:31 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 8/9/2008 1:38:07 PM

Author: sonnyjane

That seems a little expensive to me for a stone that size. Maybe consider going down a notch or two in color so you can go up to a higher clarity? The previous posters are right, if you''re looking for a RB your search should be easy

I think the price is for the estimated replacement value on the appraisal sonnyjane, not the actual price of the diamond - unless I am mistaken and reading the post wrong ( not unknown!

). It is not uncommon to see higher values on these appraisals.

Oh, no, I read her original post wrong

 

[Lorelei]

Date: 8/9/2008 4:06:06 PM
Author: sonnyjane

Date: 8/9/2008 2:20:31 PM
Author: Lorelei

Date: 8/9/2008 1:38:07 PM

Author: sonnyjane

That seems a little expensive to me for a stone that size. Maybe consider going down a notch or two in color so you can go up to a higher clarity? The previous posters are right, if you''re looking for a RB your search should be easy

I think the price is for the estimated replacement value on the appraisal sonnyjane, not the actual price of the diamond - unless I am mistaken and reading the post wrong ( not unknown!

). It is not uncommon to see higher values on these appraisals.

Oh, no, I read her original post wrong

No worries!

 

[jaylex]

ok. that jeweler we were going to buy from turned out to be shady. He told me on a friday that he would send an emial on monday with more pics and info.... i finally emailed on THURSDAY asking about the info and he responded "oops. I forgot about you". Nothing more! so we dropped that idea. This is a different one we are looking at from a different jeweler.

This is an engagement ring my boyfriend and I are interested in. Please see discription below and tell me if it is worth $3,500.

Diamond Weight: 1.00 CARATS
Diamond Shape: FULL CUT ROUND BRILLIANT
Diamond Color: I
Diamond Clarity: SI2
Setting: 18K WHITE GOLD TIFFANY STYLE HIGH SHOULDER MOUNTING
Measurements : 6.51 X 6.54 X 3.84 MM

I also looked up the GIA report online. This is part of it:

Report Type: GIA Diamond Grading Report

Date of Issue: October 08, 2004

Round Brilliant

Measurements: 6.51 - 6.54 x 3.84 mm
Carat Weight: 1.00
Color Grade: I
Clarity Grade: SI2
Proportions:

Depth: 58.9 %
Table: 59 %
Girdle: Medium to Slightly Thick, Faceted
Culet: Small

Finish:

Polish: Very Good
Symmetry: Very Good
Fluorescence: None

I have a few pics that I am trying to attach, but I seem to be having a problem with it!

But what do you think?

 

[jaylex]

yes. the 18k white gold ring is included in that price. No i haven''t seen it personally... just photos that i can''t seem to post to this forum.. it looks beautiful in the pics..

and I do have a money back guarantee.

grrr... i thought we had found one.

 

[stone-cold11]

Hmm, that is an old rock. You won''t be able to get the crown and pavilion angles from the GIA report of that age, which is essential for us to determine if the rock is of a good cut.

About the pictures, try naming it to some long name with today''s date because if a picture has the same name as another file already loaded, it will not be accepted for uploading.

 

[stone-cold11]

Also the RB seems to be a little shallow.
http://diamonds.pricescope.com/round.asp

The dimensions for an ideal cut should be table 53-58% and depth 58-62.3% so the data you posted is on the larger than the ideal for table while on the shallow side for depth. Need more data. Ask them for a sarin report which will give you the pavilion and crown angles.

 

[honey22]

I would stick in the 55-57 table range, and depth of 60-62, with complementary crown and pav angles personally.

That stone is close to a 60 60 stone, which I don''t really prefer the look of.

 

[Kelli]

If you want an easy way to find a beautifully CUT stone, look into AGS0 diamonds. Cut is the most important thing for the beauty of a diamond, as cut determines how much it sparkles. I color with eyeclean SI clarity in a well cut stone should be gorgeous!

 

[arjunajane]

Jaylex, have you considered buying online from "tried and tested" reputable dealers?

Of your own admission, the first jeweller you bought your stuff from has badly cut diamonds, the second one you went to was just dodgy, and now it seems the third one is also below par..

Perhaps it is not worth your time with these stores, what do you think..?
I''m sure we will be more than happy to help you find your dream ring online if you''d like to consider that route..