AGS old cert on HCA

[Diamond916]

The stone that I just bought AGS000 has the old AGS cert which doesn''t show light performance, but I put the numbers in the HCA and came up with a 1.1. So is it safe to say that it would pass with the new standards? Sorry for making a new topic on this...I know asked it in my old topic, but I''m now a little hesitant with the diamond.

AGS#: 8673104
Report Type: Diamond Quality™ Document
Shape and Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.77 - 6.84 x 4.12 mm
Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0
Color Grade: AGS 2.0 (H)
Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2)
Carat Weight 1.151
Fluorescence: Negligible
Comments:

The clarity grade of this diamond is partly based on clouds that are not shown.

Table: 56.6%
Crown Angle: 34.4
Crown Height: 14.9%
Girdle: Faceted, 0.9% to 3.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 54%
Lower Girdle Length: 77%
Total Depth: 60.5%
Culet: Pointed

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 10/16/2007 5:41:35 PM
Author:Diamond916

The stone that I just bought AGS000 has the old AGS cert which doesn''t show light performance, but I put the numbers in the HCA and came up with a 1.1. So is it safe to say that it would pass with the new standards? Sorry for making a new topic on this...I know asked it in my old topic, but I''m now a little hesitant with the diamond.

Knowing 1.1 usually doesn''t do it for me...it''s seeing where the cross hairs are in the boxes. Yours are good.

But...I''d want to know the date of the cert. Ironically, I hope it''s old. If it''s new...then you want to ask anew why they didn''t ask for light performance output...cause they could have.

The clarity grade of this diamond is partly based on clouds that are not shown.

Sorry, you may get some noise about this.

You''re close enough...and are willing to pay a probable premium for AGS certification. Maybe you should keep looking?

Is that too harsh?

Tell us the date on the cert, to start with.

Regards,

 

[Diamond916]

So I spoke with the jeweler and he was like its a new certificate...Jan 2007. And I said why didn''t you get the stone graded based on the new system that takes light performance into consideration. He said ...its a new certificate I am not sure what you are talking about. It sounded like he may have been playing dumb, but not sure. Regardless of the cert...I feel like I got a good deal...I paid 6k for it. What do you think Ira? Give me some honest thoughts? I just want that diamond to sparkle...those are my main concerns. It did score a 1.1 on HCA so wouldn''t that gaurantee a nice sparkle?

 

[Regular Guy]

First thought...it's likely you got a good deal.

Other notes:

I'm no expert.

Here's one somewhat comparable...it would be good to know what to attribute your considerable savings.

One problem...the concept that a VS2 could be harmed much by clouds is a bit controversial...and AGS's grading is really a separate issue, too...since they I don't think consider any degree that they might...let alone there's your question about it not being a zero.

Steps:

1) Call AGS. Ask them if they'd tell you what it would get with the cert number (or maybe you can do this on-line).
2) If no luck with (1), reach Denver appraiser; he's talked about finding this sort of thing out for people on line...and he'd advise what costs were involved.
3) If you get to talk with him...ask him about also a) the clouds issue, and any other issue. You may want his eval. He's very helpful here.

BTW...any of this more rigorous work is somewhat based on your options to either return or exchange, in a worst case. If for some reason you're not entertaining these...

Perhaps pursue none of the above, and consider you've probably done very well.

Warm regards,

 

[Garry H (Cut Nut)]

I would not worry about a cloud in VS2.
Few retailers would know the goings on at AGSL

 

[Regular Guy]

Garry''s having a VS2 Happy Day.

Couldn''t help myself; he''s not always happy.

 

[johngalt2004]

Date: 10/16/2007 5:41:35 PM
Author:Diamond916


The stone that I just bought AGS000 has the old AGS cert which doesn''t show light performance, but I put the numbers in the HCA and came up with a 1.1. So is it safe to say that it would pass with the new standards? Sorry for making a new topic on this...I know asked it in my old topic, but I''m now a little hesitant with the diamond.

AGS#: 8673104
Report Type: Diamond Quality™ Document
Shape and Style: Round Brilliant
Measurements: 6.77 - 6.84 x 4.12 mm
Cut Grade: AGS Ideal 0
Color Grade: AGS 2.0 (H)
Clarity Grade: AGS 4 (VS2)
Carat Weight 1.151
Fluorescence: Negligible
Comments:





The clarity grade of this diamond is partly based on clouds that are not shown.

Table: 56.6%
Crown Angle: 34.4
Crown Height: 14.9%
Girdle: Faceted, 0.9% to 3.0%
Pavilion Angle: 40.8
Pavilion Depth: 43.0%
Star Length: 54%
Lower Girdle Length: 77%
Total Depth: 60.5%
Culet: Pointed

You actually have the cert and it does not show light performance on a flap off to the right? That''s weird.

As for the deal - it sure looks like a great deal to me. I paid $6800 for a diamond exactly like yours except mine is an SI1. I''d say you did pretty darn good on price there.

I did not know you could get a DQD in 2007 without a light performance grade though... that is a little odd and would make me suspicious about the motive. It should be off to the right on a flap I think?

But you got it cheap! Congrats.

 

[Diamond916]

In some year they went with a new grading criteria, but jewelers can still opt for the older criteria...many do it because the newer grading criteria is more strict(from what I heard). I looked up the diamond on the ags website and it does not have any light performance numbers on it...so the jeweler used the old system. I don''t have the cert with me yet...I will in 2 weeks once the diamond is mounted and fully paid for...I''ll check to see if the light performance is mentioned on it, but I am pretty positive it won''t be because on the ags website it says its not. When I first looked at the cert, I knew nothing about old vs new certs. I just knew it was an AGS000 so I was happy with it, it looked good, price was great. After I bought I was told about the old vs new certs...I did some research on similar diamonds and got some help from the pros here... mine was a good deal either, in my mind so I decided to stick with it.

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 10/17/2007 7:44:53 PM
Author: Regular Guy
2) If no luck with (1), reach Denver appraiser; he''s talked about finding this sort of thing out for people on line...and he''d advise what costs were involved.

You don''t have to give up...(see Denver''s last post here...)

 

[johngalt2004]

Date: 10/20/2007 12:35:22 AM
Author: Diamond916
In some year they went with a new grading criteria, but jewelers can still opt for the older criteria...many do it because the newer grading criteria is more strict(from what I heard). I looked up the diamond on the ags website and it does not have any light performance numbers on it...so the jeweler used the old system. I don''t have the cert with me yet...I will in 2 weeks once the diamond is mounted and fully paid for...I''ll check to see if the light performance is mentioned on it, but I am pretty positive it won''t be because on the ags website it says its not. When I first looked at the cert, I knew nothing about old vs new certs. I just knew it was an AGS000 so I was happy with it, it looked good, price was great. After I bought I was told about the old vs new certs...I did some research on similar diamonds and got some help from the pros here... mine was a good deal either, in my mind so I decided to stick with it.

I am sure enough to wager with you that you are worrying about nothing. The AGS site does not show the "light perf, symmetry, polish" scores... just "cut =zero". Mine looks the same on the ags site, but my actual cert has a flap on the right that shows the three cut "sub-scores" of zero including light performance.

You are in for a pleasant surprise when you get your cert. I am sure. If it is a zero in 2007, it is a light performance based zero. Nobody can opt for a zero score on softer criteria.

Congrats great deal! Even if I had shopped ideally, I''d have paid over $6K for the stone I bought and it is a clarity grade lower than yours. You did awesome

 

[Diamond916]

I sure hope that is the case John. This whole old cert vs new cert came up when an another poster said something about how my diamond didn''t say light performance on the ags website which indicated it was graded by the old way or something like that.. So that got me going, but either way I am happy. Thanks to everyone who helped clarify some stuff.

 

[Diamond916]

UPDATE: So I finally went in to pick up my ring and it turns out the Cert is a DQD from june 19, 2007 so it has the light performance on it. Either way I was happy, but this made me even more. It doesn''t make sense how this diamond on the ags website doesn''t saying anything about light performance but yet it has it. Any thoughts?

 

[stebbo]

Date: 10/18/2007 5:22:00 PM
Author: Regular Guy
Garry''s having a VS2 Happy Day.

Couldn''t help myself; he''s not always happy.

You crack me up once again Ira.

You''re not that Eugene guy in Evan Almighty are you? (hmmm.... that was in DC too...)

 

[Regular Guy]

Date: 11/7/2007 8:02:03 PM
Author: stebbo

You''re not that Eugene guy in Evan Almighty are you? (hmmm.... that was in DC too...)

Ouch.

I saw that movie.

If the shoe fits, I guess.

 

[stebbo]

Date: 11/7/2007 8:20:52 PM
Author: Regular Guy

Date: 11/7/2007 8:02:03 PM
Author: stebbo

You''re not that Eugene guy in Evan Almighty are you? (hmmm.... that was in DC too...)

Ouch.

I saw that movie.

If the shoe fits, I guess.

Ouch? It was a compliment as to your resourcefulness. I guess I have to work on my social skills...

 

[johngalt2004]

Date: 11/7/2007 7:32:11 PM
Author: Diamond916
UPDATE: So I finally went in to pick up my ring and it turns out the Cert is a DQD from june 19, 2007 so it has the light performance on it. Either way I was happy, but this made me even more. It doesn''t make sense how this diamond on the ags website doesn''t saying anything about light performance but yet it has it. Any thoughts?

Told you so!

Mine is the same. I think the format changed sometime in early 2007... so when the three sub-categories were moved to the flap "over the right edge" of the document, they were also basically moved "off the page" that you see when you look on the ags site.

Look up 8711908 (1.171 ct) and you will see the same thing on line, but it is a lp zero with the info off on the flap. That''s why I was sure enough to offer a bet, mine was from July 3 2007. I suspect that back when the format was to show the sub-categories right underneath the cut grade, that they were also displayed on the ags site.

Congratulations on your nice score!

 

[Diamond916]

yea that format change got me going for a a little bit, but I''m truly happy with it. Thanks again.

 

[4TN]

Hi All,

I was wondering how do you look up the AGS numbers in the AGS website? I just purchased a diamond and would like to know if the reports differ from the site.

I have been going in circles in the AGS website w/o any success.

Any help will be appreciated.

Best

 

[johngalt2004]

http://www.agslab.com/

under the "products and services" drop down is "verify a diamond report"

Put in the number and exact weight of the diamond from your cert. Sometimes it needs a third decimal on the weight... I''ve been able to fish for it when trying to look up virtual list diamonds (like that really low priced 1.16 SI1 H from the virtual lists which turns out to be an ags 2) - just try different final digits till it works.

Have fun.