AGS Cert (new, I assume)

[davidgelb]

Hey all,
So, I have my ring and am ready to propose next Saturday night. I do have one question, though. I have been reading on the forum about the old and new AGS certs. I attached my cert to this post. Is this the new AGS cert? One thing I noticed is that there is no cut information on this cert. I know it is an Ideal cut diamond, but I don''t see anywhere on the cert that it says that. When someone talks about AGS0, I believe this refers to the cut, but am I wrong? Any insight would be appreciated.

Thanks,
David

 

[JulieN]

no, it is a DQR.

https://www.pricescope.com/community/threads/ags-dqd-grading-reports-old-and-new.45611/

 

[davidgelb]

Thanks Julie...that thread cleared up that question. I guess my next question is should I be upset that WF provided me a new DQR instead of a new DQD? Without the AGS ideal on a DQD, what basis does WF have in stating that it is an ideal cut RB?

Should I be asking WF why they didn''t provide a DQD, or am I OK with just the DQR? I just want to make sure everything is as it was presented to me.

Thank you!

-David

 

[JulieN]

All WF ES stones have DQRs. It maintains the prestige of the ACA line, which have DQDs.

 

[davidgelb]

So then is it WF that determines that the cut is an ideal? If I ever had a DQD done for this diamond, and give that it is awarded Ex/Ex for symmetry and polish, could I expect that it would receive an ideal from AGS? Or is that just WF calling it an ideal?

Thanks,
David

 

[aljdewey]

Date: 8/28/2006 3:55:29 PM
Author:davidgelb

I attached my cert to this post. Is this the new AGS cert? One thing I noticed is that there is no cut information on this cert.

David, there are 3 types of AGS grading reports.

1. New Diamond Quality Document (DQD) - identifies diamond as an AGS0 and includes Light Performance as part of grade.

2. Old DQD - identifies diamond as one that meets the criteria for the former definition of AGS0. Still available today at vendor request.

3. Diamond Quality Report (DQR) - grading report that includes no cut grading information.

The new AGS0 is a more expensive grading report than the DQR.

Date: 8/28/2006 3:55:29 PM
Author:davidgelb

I know it is an Ideal cut diamond, but I don''t see anywhere on the cert that it says that. When someone talks about AGS0, I believe this refers to the cut, but am I wrong? Any insight would be appreciated.

"Ideal cut" is a generic term meaning top-make stone. "AGS0" means a stone earns the top cut-grade rank from AGS.
As such, your diamond can be an ''ideal'' cut without necessarily being an AGS0.

Date: 8/28/2006 3:55:29 PM
Author:davidgelb

I guess my next question is should I be upset that WF provided me a new DQR instead of a new DQD? Without the AGS ideal on a DQD, what basis does WF have in stating that it is an ideal cut RB?
Should I be asking WF why they didn''t provide a DQD, or am I OK with just the DQR? I just want to make sure everything is as it was presented to me.

No, I don''t think so. If I recall correctly, the stone you purchased is an Expert Selection. Those stones offer a great value because the grading report is less expensive; that savings is passed along to you. It''s why the ES stones offer such a great value.

In calling it an ''ideal cut'' stone, they are telling you that it is a fine-make stone. They aren''t representing it as an AGS0 stone; the only true AGS0 stones are those that come with AGS0 paper. However, it may be AGS0-comparable.

 

[Rod]

Date: 8/28/2006 4:29:36 PM
Author: aljdewey

Date: 8/28/2006 3:55:29 PM
Author:davidgelb

I attached my cert to this post. Is this the new AGS cert? One thing I noticed is that there is no cut information on this cert.

David, there are 3 types of AGS grading reports.

1. New Diamond Quality Document (DQD) - identifies diamond as an AGS0 and includes Light Performance as part of grade.

2. Old DQD - identifies diamond as one that meets the criteria for the former definition of AGS0. Still available today at vendor request.

3. Diamond Quality Report (DQR) - grading report that includes no cut grading information.

The new AGS0 is a more expensive grading report than the DQR.

Date: 8/28/2006 3:55:29 PM
Author:davidgelb

I know it is an Ideal cut diamond, but I don''t see anywhere on the cert that it says that. When someone talks about AGS0, I believe this refers to the cut, but am I wrong? Any insight would be appreciated.

''Ideal cut'' is a generic term meaning top-make stone. ''AGS0'' means a stone earns the top cut-grade rank from AGS.
As such, your diamond can be an ''ideal'' cut without necessarily being an AGS0.

Date: 8/28/2006 3:55:29 PM
Author:davidgelb

I guess my next question is should I be upset that WF provided me a new DQR instead of a new DQD? Without the AGS ideal on a DQD, what basis does WF have in stating that it is an ideal cut RB?

Should I be asking WF why they didn''t provide a DQD, or am I OK with just the DQR? I just want to make sure everything is as it was presented to me.

No, I don''t think so. If I recall correctly, the stone you purchased is an Expert Selection. Those stones offer a great value because the grading report is less expensive; that savings is passed along to you. It''s why the ES stones offer such a great value.

In calling it an ''ideal cut'' stone, they are telling you that it is a fine-make stone. They aren''t representing it as an AGS0 stone; the only true AGS0 stones are those that come with AGS0 paper. However, it may be AGS0-comparable.

Fantastic response Alj!!!!